Do You Think Lance Armstrong Cheated ?

[vegetation]

His insane lung capacity has been scientifically tested and documented...hence he can train and ride like a mad man. So we are both right.

Lance kicked butt in most all the time trials because he is physiologically able to sprint through an entire time trial [due to his incredible oxygen uptake] while other cyclist are unable to do so.

Actually, he kicked butt on the tour largely because of him team support. His team kept him from having to suffer alone on the majority of the stages, which saves his energy -- a big, big, deal on a multistage event. This isn't auto racing where you just peg the throttle all the time, day in day out. The human body suffers over time with too much hammering, no matter who you are. Take 3 weeks of intense riding and you'll see how important team strategy is.

Winning a tour isn't just about physiology. It's a combination of a bunch of things -- strength, training, team support, and just plain good luck. Lance simply had 5 out of 5 points in each category, while riders like Jan scored less in areas such as team support and luck and hence lost. Lance particularly was lucky not having crashed with performance suffering injuries -- something that Jan, and Beloki weren't so fortunate with. Overall, he was blessed with good fortune, something that I imagine a lot of people aren't so happy about.

 

[skace]

The fact is they can't get him in a single recent year, even with 7 times the number of random drug tests other athletes had to put up with. So they go all the way back to 1999 when doping was huge in the sport and get him on some frozen urine. Lance said it best in an interview I saw awhile back, one of the most defining moments of his career was that, even when he had all these random drug tests and allegations, he kept right on winning. Usually, when you put an athelete under a fine tooth comb like that, it hurts their game regardless of whether they are guilty or not.

 

[leftyman]

Lance cheated on Sheryl Crow??

 

[Proposition Ed]

nope, sure dont!

 

[Winchester]

on the Tour or on his Wife.... unfortunately the latter. He is no hero in my book. He got to the top and dropped his family. What a loser.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Winchester
on the Tour or on his Wife.... unfortunately the latter. He is no hero in my book. He got to the top and dropped his family. What a loser.

she's the one that filed for divorce. so technically she dropped him.

 

[JulesMaximus]

No, and this just makes me dislike the French a little more. It does nothing to help their standing in the opinion of many Americans.

 

[ZeroEffect]

Tour president says it's a "Scientific fact"....

but there is no A sample to compare against, and no way of
matching names to samples... the samples are 7 years old,
Lance has tested negative for over 6 years after this...
and randomly... the man is not a cheater.

The sport sure turned against him the minute he retires...

sour grapes?

 

[UDT89]

France is just pissed off b/c Lance pissed all over their stupid race for 7 years in a row.

I swear nothing good has come from France since 9/11.....i'm glad an american won that stupid race for so long and I hope he never retires.

I mean think about it. They were using 6 year old samples to create a test for EPO. Why not use new subjects? Why use samples from the Tour de France? Why use Lance's? Why do they even still have them? And how do we know the scientists didnt add the EPO to it?

They're just riding the wave of American athletes screwing up and figured they could tarnish Lance's accomplishments.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: ZeroEffect
Tour president says it's a "Scientific fact"....

but there is no A sample to compare against, and no way of
matching names to samples... the samples are 7 years old,
Lance has tested negative for over 6 years after this...
and randomly... the man is not a cheater.

The sport sure turned against him the minute he retires...

sour grapes?

They were against him while he was riding too. He was tested more than any other Tour rider. He was randomly tested 7 times during the off season leading up to this year's tour as well.

 

[acemcmac]

WHO CARES

 

[dug777]

There's no way an inspirational yank hero could be a cheat :|
Be sensible people

 

[Squisher]

What a coincidence. I was just looking at some of my urine that I froze in '99. The color looks a little off and I'm not sure about the smell.

 

[sixone]

If he was doping, indisputable proof would not take 6 years to be found. They've tried to discredit him since he won the first TdF, and they'll keep trying until some non-American wins 8 years running - in otherwords, FOREVER.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: sixone
If he was doping, indisputable proof would not take 6 years to be found. They've tried to discredit him since he won the first TdF, and they'll keep trying until some non-American wins 8 years running - in otherwords, FOREVER.

Pretty much what I was thinking. It is just the French being petty because on a whole they are not good at anything except backstabbing, littering, and runnng AWAY.

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: sixone
If he was doping, indisputable proof would not take 6 years to be found. They've tried to discredit him since he won the first TdF, and they'll keep trying until some non-American wins 8 years running - in otherwords, FOREVER.

Pretty much what I was thinking. It is just the French being petty because on a whole they are not good at anything except backstabbing, littering, and runnng AWAY.

LOL - Isn't that what the TdF is - running away from the bikers chasing you? :evil:

 

[DaShen]

He probably took hormones because of testicular cancer idiot. How many times do you have to bring this up.

You and the French should go to h3ll

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: sixone
If he was doping, indisputable proof would not take 6 years to be found. They've tried to discredit him since he won the first TdF, and they'll keep trying until some non-American wins 8 years running - in otherwords, FOREVER.

 

[torpid]

The blood doping tests are EXTREMELY flawed. There have been segments that were very convincing about this on various sports shows, including a particularly interesting one on Real Sports. The tolerance level for doping is too low compared to what a couple of the doctors who created the test recommended. It is a very new test and has not been adequately verified to be accurate yet. There are many experts on the subject who have demonstrated that there are a couple of ways a false positive could come up. One is a strange birth condition that may or may not be very common. Also, the amount of blood doping that would be required to actually gain any measurable performance improvement is much higher than the cutoff. I don't know where the lance sample came in at but I find it unlikely that it was much above the cutoff if there at all.

I really doubt he did any blood doping, but it's possible.

 

[Winchester]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Winchester
on the Tour or on his Wife.... unfortunately the latter. He is no hero in my book. He got to the top and dropped his family. What a loser.

she's the one that filed for divorce. so technically she dropped him.

If a man beats his wife severely on a daily basis and she files for divorce you are saying that she is dropping him? bad logic there fella.

 

[mitmot]

fsck the french.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Winchester

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Winchester
on the Tour or on his Wife.... unfortunately the latter. He is no hero in my book. He got to the top and dropped his family. What a loser.

she's the one that filed for divorce. so technically she dropped him.

If a man beats his wife severely on a daily basis and she files for divorce you are saying that she is dropping him? bad logic there fella.

So Lance beat his wife? :roll:

 

[Vampirrella]

no

 

[walkur]

Probably, but i think almost everyone cheated in that period, so i don't blame him.
I don't think he cheated in the other tours however.

 

[Yreka]

Originally posted by: Squisher
What a coincidence. I was just looking at some of my urine that I froze in '99. The color looks a little off and I'm not sure about the smell.

Well there is only one thing left to do then... You will need to taste it to be sure.