What is your BS in? I have a BSCS /w Econ minor. Would that be an odd thing to get an MBA with?
Sorry for the thread hijacking.
What is your BS in? I have a BSCS /w Econ minor. Would that be an odd thing to get an MBA with?
Sorry for the thread hijacking.
i dont have a college degree and I got the government of pakistan to trust me with all of their government and top corporate websites, as well as their stock exchange and state bank site. (including sites that do billions of dollars of financial transactions). Of course I represented a bigger company that had more credibility, but the company I represented hired me w/o the degree and put me out front in the position to get the deal. I managed the account including passwords for over a year, and didnt bother to get my first technical cert until after my contract expired with them and I wanted something to compliment my experience. Fortunately, the company I represented was small enough that it wasnt hindered by corporate red tape that prevented them from hiring talent just because the talent didnt have a piece of paper.
btw, i know I got lucky.
btw, i know I got lucky.
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Originally posted by: Jumpem
What is your BS in? I have a BSCS /w Econ minor. Would that be an odd thing to get an MBA with?
Sorry for the thread hijacking.
BS in Quantitated Management/Business Operations with Minor in Computer Science/MIS. MBA in Business/Quality Controls wiht Computer Science concentration. PM me if you need more info.
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OP, one more thing. Many companies' HR departments use the degree as a filter to get hire <especially the big ones>. I know a degree is not the best indicator whether a potential hire will be a good or bad one but that how the game is play. FYI.
<<---- worked and working for large Fortune 100 companies.
<<---- worked and working for large Fortune 100 companies.
You could probably trade a TS clearance for a degree. However, that is only for a select few jobs. Most Gov contract positions that need a clearance also want a 4 yr degree (federal requirements for the job.) With a degree & clearance you are golden. With some pilot resumes I have tentative offers for 65-85k a year with my 6 yrs military exp and a 4 year degree. Being currently enlisted, it is mighty tempting.
Tech control, telecom tech, network infrastructure, cable plant tech, video conf tech, type offers. A developer I am not. IT Infrastructure is not getting outsourced any time soon I figure, so I have prospects.
Certs are a plus. It allows contracts to bill more for you.
CCNA/ CCNP with voip experience.
CISSP is popular. (it used to require a 4yr degree to apply for the test I believe.)
MCSE is hard to go wrong with.
List buzzwords on resumes but know your fundamentals on the interview... and expect to be quizzed/ tested on anything you list.
Stress being a team player and having initiative. Give examples whenever possible.
Don't speak negatively on any of your past jobs or coworkers
Keep contact with past coworkers.
Smile
Call back anyone who calls you and promptly follow up with a letter and phone call thanking them for the interview.
Just my experience probing the job market so far
Tech control, telecom tech, network infrastructure, cable plant tech, video conf tech, type offers. A developer I am not. IT Infrastructure is not getting outsourced any time soon I figure, so I have prospects.
Certs are a plus. It allows contracts to bill more for you.
CCNA/ CCNP with voip experience.
CISSP is popular. (it used to require a 4yr degree to apply for the test I believe.)
MCSE is hard to go wrong with.
List buzzwords on resumes but know your fundamentals on the interview... and expect to be quizzed/ tested on anything you list.
Stress being a team player and having initiative. Give examples whenever possible.
Don't speak negatively on any of your past jobs or coworkers
Keep contact with past coworkers.
Smile
Call back anyone who calls you and promptly follow up with a letter and phone call thanking them for the interview.
Just my experience probing the job market so far
he reiterates my point. In your situation OP, i think you should just plan out a set of certs to get, get them in your free time, and run with that.
With your experience and SC, a CCNA+MCSE along with a few Comptia certs like A+, network+, server+, and security+, you are golden. I took me two months to get A+, network+, inet+, server+, and CIW-a. I'm taking a break for a month, surgery, etc. Then I'm going for my MCSE, CCNA, and a few more Comptia's. I'll worry about my degree after Im rich and can study something that I want to scholar in, not need for the money.
If you have the chance to get one, do it. You'll never be sorry that you have it and no one can ever take it away from you.
It depends what you really want to do. You will never make it into a large company/firm, or higher up in a smaller one without a degree. Well you could be it would take you a hell of alot longer to do it.
Whoever says you dont need a degree is kidding themselves, sure there are the exception but the norm requires a degree.
Put it this way, in the computer industry there is still a surplus of potential employees, skilled ones at that, not just dumbasses with degrees. Without a degree your resume is the first to get tossed.
Whoever says you dont need a degree is kidding themselves, sure there are the exception but the norm requires a degree.
Put it this way, in the computer industry there is still a surplus of potential employees, skilled ones at that, not just dumbasses with degrees. Without a degree your resume is the first to get tossed.
I would hire you over any single non-experienced fresh graudate available.
What field did you get your degree in?
I was much like you until I landed a job where I thought my skills and abilities would carry me to the top. The place was littered with network and computer problems that their old admin of 3 years couldn't solve. In six months I had made a major impact, in 9 there were no more ploblems and by 12 months I was working on pet projects because there was no work. I thought I was the king of fvck mountian when it was review time.
I asked for a raise and they said I could go no higher without a degree and that I'd never be considered for a management position. They encouraged me to get a degree because they wanted to be able to promote me, but policies dictated otherwise.
I now have a degree that I finished up 3 weeks ago. I have been self employeed for the last three years, but I learned that lesson and I'll never let an education keep me from achieving whatever it is I desire.
Best of luck to you... going back to school when you're older is no easy task, if you should decide to get a degree.
I asked for a raise and they said I could go no higher without a degree and that I'd never be considered for a management position. They encouraged me to get a degree because they wanted to be able to promote me, but policies dictated otherwise.
I now have a degree that I finished up 3 weeks ago. I have been self employeed for the last three years, but I learned that lesson and I'll never let an education keep me from achieving whatever it is I desire.
Best of luck to you... going back to school when you're older is no easy task, if you should decide to get a degree.
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You're ABSOLUTELY right that college, for the most part, is worthless.
However, if you want to switch career fields, a degree is the union card for it.
If you like your job and are advancing, a degree won't get you there faster. Plus, you'll save tuition money over pursuing something fruitless. Now a certain minority of companies reward college endeavor.....that's something you'll have to feel out....most companies could care less, as they care more about your skills and work ethic.
In tech, my experience shows that guys that get the certifications (i.e. CCIE, etc.) are waaaay more valuable than any degree in terms of employability & salary. Many guys that hold certs never finished college, but have loads of relevant experience...and the certs.
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by not having a degree you are severely limited in the number of jobs you are qualified for/will be hired for.
yes its a piece of paper, but a piece of paper that provides so many opportunities. Lots of places simply won't hire somebody without a degree - no matter how much experience.
just MHO.
yes its a piece of paper, but a piece of paper that provides so many opportunities. Lots of places simply won't hire somebody without a degree - no matter how much experience.
just MHO.
Yes, most of the courses you'll take in university are boring and pointless, but you need a degree nowadays to have an edge over people. In fact, so many people have degrees now that it's no longer an edge, but a requirement (like a high school degree).
Especially if you're in Canada they're so picky they even expect you to have a Masters in some fields.
Alot of jobs will say "a degree in blah blah or relevant experience". So if you have tons of experience and you're in your 40's you should be fine. If you're in your late 20's/early 30's then i'd still get a degree.
Especially if you're in Canada they're so picky they even expect you to have a Masters in some fields.
Alot of jobs will say "a degree in blah blah or relevant experience". So if you have tons of experience and you're in your 40's you should be fine. If you're in your late 20's/early 30's then i'd still get a degree.
don't forget about the "must have requirements" which will usually include a 4 year degree. These are must haves, not "optional"
no college class is going to be pointless. I dropped out of college to start a business, and got screwed over really bad in a business deal. I can't help but think that if I would have stayed in school, I would have learned something that would have allowed me to see the mishap coming earlier.
Also, i think its important to take basics like Psychology, etc.
But OP, ive already said and will restate it, focus on getting certs right now. In your position, they will make up for not having a degree (especialy if you have more than one)
Again I suggest the following to compliment your experience
MCSE (security track)
CCNA
A+
Network+
Server+
Security+
and maybe Linux+
It should take you about 3 months to reasonably cram for MCSE and about 1 month for each Comptia and CCNA. In less than a year of self study, you could have a killer set of certs to compliment your experience. Then maybe go get your associates to show that you took the basics, like pscyhe, english 101, etc.
I can count the amount of college credits I have on my two hands. But I do have certs and experience and am not afraid to plea for the job. In doing so, I got a job that gave me enough room to prove myself and hit a few home runs. I got lucky, but it wasnt all luck.
Also, i think its important to take basics like Psychology, etc.
But OP, ive already said and will restate it, focus on getting certs right now. In your position, they will make up for not having a degree (especialy if you have more than one)
Again I suggest the following to compliment your experience
MCSE (security track)
CCNA
A+
Network+
Server+
Security+
and maybe Linux+
It should take you about 3 months to reasonably cram for MCSE and about 1 month for each Comptia and CCNA. In less than a year of self study, you could have a killer set of certs to compliment your experience. Then maybe go get your associates to show that you took the basics, like pscyhe, english 101, etc.
I can count the amount of college credits I have on my two hands. But I do have certs and experience and am not afraid to plea for the job. In doing so, I got a job that gave me enough room to prove myself and hit a few home runs. I got lucky, but it wasnt all luck.
^^ complete baloney. Look at Forbes 500...even take a look at top 50, you'll notice surprising number of Billionaires never went/finished college.
You can goto college to find a new wife! Plenty of hot 18-23 year old chicks waiting to find a suga daddy such as urself!
Nah, my wife already kicks ass. She's hot, mows the lawn, rides a motorcycle and all in all is awesome. I doubt I could find that in a new chick attending college. Besides, I snatched my wife up while she was a freshman at Kansas State University.
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