Do you support clinically depressed owning firearms?

[Moonbeam]

If I can provide a base for claiming that Obama is an asshole and some secret service agents don't like him, would that validate my claim in your eyes? If I can provide evidence that modern psychiatry can claim that almost everyone is clinally depressed at some time or another in their lives would that bolster the claim?
Just seeing where you're setting the goalposts .

Your point was to jab Obama not to add to an understanding of guns and depression. True of false, your point was to ejaculate. You peed on the carpet.

 

[spidey07]

I'm fairly sure both in Illinois and in New Jersey you lose your ability to own a gun if you are taking antidepressants.

I highly doubt that, but those are part of the "fucked up states".

If so, that law is highly unconstitutional and needs to be challenged.

 

[momeNt]

I highly doubt that, but those are part of the "fucked up states".

If so, that law is highly unconstitutional and needs to be challenged.

I believe NY SAFE act also has something in there about antidepressants. I'm sure the thousands of officers on antidepressants are exempt.

 

[monovillage]

Your point was to jab Obama not to add to an understanding of guns and depression. True of false, your point was to ejaculate. You peed on the carpet.

Bullshit Moonie, if I had you'd have been licking it up.

 

[piasabird]

Maybe if a board of Psychiatrists declare a person a danger to society I might agree with that. But this should be a dertermination made by more than one state appointed medical doctor. Some doctors are just professional court testifiers. I have seen this in an actual court case as a juror.

 

[CitizenKain]

Are the same people against something like this also for people losing their right to vote due to felonies?

 

[monovillage]

Are the same people against something like this also for people losing their right to vote due to felonies?

Do you see a difference between being convicted of a serious crime by a jury of your peers and being labeled as "depressed" by single individual?

 

[Braznor]

http://www.healthcentral.com/depression/c/84292/150467/7-depression/



From the article:

7 US Presidents who Battled Depression


John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
John Quincy Adam
Franklin Pierce
Abraham Lincoln
Calvin Coolidge

In addition to these leaders there have been other presidents who have been depicted by scholars and historians as likely to have suffered from a mood disorder including: Rutherford B Hayes (depression), Theodore Roosevelt (bipolar), Woodrow Wilson (depression), Herbert Hoover (depression), Dwight Eisenhower (depression), and Lyndon Johnson (bipolar).

 

[mammador]

If police are depressed, they shouldn't be on duty.

 

[Fern]

While I no little about mental health issues etc (it's outside my own profession), I tend to oppose "across the board" type answers.

I say leave it up to mental health professionals to determine on a case-by-case basis.

Fern

 

[momeNt]

While I no little about mental health issues etc (it's outside my own profession), I tend to oppose "across the board" type answers.

I say leave it up to mental health professionals to determine on a case-by-case basis.

Fern

What about police officers. Do you acknowledge there can be some very serious unintended consequences if there is any sort of gun control on police officers regarding their mental health condition? Police officers may not seek help because of fear of losing their firearms and be forced on desk-duty. The same exact thing can be said of any firearm owning citizen, but their careers are not at stake.

 

[Fern]

What about police officers. Do you acknowledge there can be some very serious unintended consequences if there is any sort of gun control on police officers regarding their mental health condition? Police officers may not seek help because of fear of losing their firearms and be forced on desk-duty. The same exact thing can be said of any firearm owning citizen, but their careers are not at stake.

Yes, in fact I believe this issue has been explored in police type TV programs.

OTOH, I think that mentally unstable police officers are likely a danger to the public, not a help. If a person is mentally unsuitable to carry out their LE duties they should be removed from those duties until they are capable.

Fern

 

[piasabird]

Over half of the people in Illinois probably take some kind of anti-depressant or have a citation for MJ or have been treated for alcoholism or have a charge for domestic Assault which could all be a good reason for taking away gun rights. Take California and all those nuts that do Medical MJ . . . Take their guns too.

There are not enough law enforcement officials to keep up with the Depression Drugs. It might be a mathematical impossibility!

 

[werepossum]

My answer has to be yes across the board. Otherwise all the Secret Service agents that are depressed about protecting an asshole like Obama wouldn't be able to carry a weapon.

LOL

There are various levels of depression and depression by itself is not an indication of mental psychosis. Some psychos might be depressed, but not all patients suffering from depression are psychos or lunatics or dangers to themselves.

This. I think depression in and of itself should not be a barrier, but some drugs to treat depression probably should be a barrier. There is no poll choice for that.

 

[piasabird]

To protect the right to own a gun, lets just say we are not going to check all this stuff and save everyone a lot of money. It is just stupid-ville.

 

[piasabird]

The FBI can not even keep track of people who overstay their Visa. This is just an impossible task. It just will not work.

 

[momeNt]

LOL


This. I think depression in and of itself should not be a barrier, but some drugs to treat depression probably should be a barrier. There is no poll choice for that.

I should have put - "Other- explain below", but then I think all the responses might have gone to that and defeated the purpose of the poll.

 

[momeNt]

Yes, in fact I believe this issue has been explored in police type TV programs.

OTOH, I think that mentally unstable police officers are likely a danger to the public, not a help. If a person is mentally unsuitable to carry out their LE duties they should be removed from those duties until they are capable.

Fern

Good points. I wonder how seriously LE takes mental health of their police officers and if there is a concern that some officers may not be fit for duty from a mental aspect. I know in the military there is definitely a macho attitude about getting help with PTSD. Not sure what attitude LE takes towards mental health though.

 

[werepossum]

I should have put - "Other- explain below", but then I think all the responses might have gone to that and defeated the purpose of the poll.

Probably - we do love to hear see ourselves talk.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Anybody with a history of being hospitalized because they are a danger to themselves or others, I think we need to be very cautious with guns around them.

Some random noob who just feels sad because their life is boring and meaningless, they are probably fine.

 

[Spungo]

Yes. Although those with access to guns who are depressed are more likely than a non gun-owner to kill themselves, due to the ease of doing it, there are millions (many) of clinically depressed the country. It's easy to be one of the lot and requiring all such people have no gun is unrealistic.

Suicide is exactly WHY depressed people should be allowed to have guns. What else are they supposed to do? OD on drugs, end up in the ER, cost tax payers millions when they try this multiple times? Jump in front of the train and delay everyone trying to get to work or get home? Jump off the overpass and cause gridlock traffic?

 

[Agent11]

To be honest depression is greatly over diagnosed. In America we have a bad habit of trying to throw medication at anything and everything.

Now roughly half of you want to take away constitutionally protected rights from people who where prescribed medication for depression.

That is alarming.

 

[Doppel]

Suicide is exactly WHY depressed people should be allowed to have guns. What else are they supposed to do? OD on drugs, end up in the ER, cost tax payers millions when they try this multiple times? Jump in front of the train and delay everyone trying to get to work or get home? Jump off the overpass and cause gridlock traffic?

Your knowledge of depression is vast and thorough.

 

[MrColin]

I suffer from depression and I want a gun, several in fact.

 

[spidey07]

While I no little about mental health issues etc (it's outside my own profession), I tend to oppose "across the board" type answers.

I say leave it up to mental health professionals to determine on a case-by-case basis.

Fern

I prefer a court decision and due process before we take away fundamental rights.