Do you consider homosexuality to be a problem that the government needs to address?

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: v1001
Not sure what you want them to do about it.

But they should definitely put some funds toward curing homosexuality. No matter what you say it is NOT normal or the way people are supposed to be. Something is very broken in the human brain and DNA if two creatures of the same sex are attracted to each other. If monkeys all started wanting to mate with turtles everyone would be like "what the hell this isn't right!". Just because the gay community is so outspoken and make themselves so noticed doesn't mean it normal or right.

Now that would of course be their right or not to decide if they wanted to take the drug to cure them. I'm betting you'd get quite a lot that would. Then the rest of the gay community who didn't take it would stand up against it and fight even more to not look abnormal.
*shakes head*
 

yhelothar

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Government should remove itself 100% from issues of personal morality, since it's wholly subjective and absolutely NOT the governments area. Drug use, sexuality, religion, etc...the government should NEVER have ANYTHING to do with ANY of it.

libertarians unite!
 

mrSHEiK124

Lifer
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I'm not particularly fond of the idea of engaging in homosexual acts, but who is the government to tell people where they can stick it? STICK IT TO THE MAN I SAY!
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Platypus
ELFENIX.............?

if a flame war erupts i'm locking it, but last i looked there hadn't been one yet.

:thumbsup: Feel free if it becomes a flame war. I didn't intend it to become one though.

inevitable when the subject is breeched. ...and you know this.
 

mrSHEiK124

Lifer
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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
I fear the homosexuals and their sinister agenda of becoming socially accepted.

Ain't nothing wrong with 2 attractive girls making out

That's just the bait. Before you know it, it's two slightly uglier girls making out. Then it's one butch and one fem. And then, next thing you know you're livin' in a van down by the river.

When does the cup come into the picture? Do the two girls use said cup?
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: v1001
Not sure what you want them to do about it.

But they should definitely put some funds toward curing homosexuality. No matter what you say it is NOT normal or the way people are supposed to be. Something is very broken in the human brain and DNA if two creatures of the same sex are attracted to each other. If monkeys all started wanting to mate with turtles everyone would be like "what the hell this isn't right!". Just because the gay community is so outspoken and make themselves so noticed doesn't mean it normal or right.

Now that would of course be their right or not to decide if they wanted to take the drug to cure them. I'm betting you'd get quite a lot that would. Then the rest of the gay community who didn't take it would stand up against it and fight even more to not look abnormal.

I don't want them to do anything about it. That's my whole point. However, we have a republican lawmaker in Oklahoma who seems to have some very definitely ideas on what should be done about it.

You seem to think that homosexuality is a disease. That's your opinion, but I disagree with that opinion. And I don't know of any homosexuals who want a cure so why do you?
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
I fear the homosexuals and their sinister agenda of becoming socially accepted.

Ain't nothing wrong with 2 attractive girls making out

That's just the bait. Before you know it, it's two slightly uglier girls making out. Then it's one butch and one fem. And then, next thing you know you're livin' in a van down by the river.

they have candy in that van
 

Platypus

Lifer
Apr 26, 2001
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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Platypus
ELFENIX.............?

if a flame war erupts i'm locking it, but last i looked there hadn't been one yet.

:thumbsup: Feel free if it becomes a flame war. I didn't intend it to become one though.

inevitable when the subject is breeched. ...and you know this.

yep.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Platypus
ELFENIX.............?

if a flame war erupts i'm locking it, but last i looked there hadn't been one yet.

:thumbsup: Feel free if it becomes a flame war. I didn't intend it to become one though.

inevitable when the subject is breeched. ...and you know this.

So what? We should never discuss these things because they might get people riled up? :confused:
 

Nitemare

Lifer
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Originally posted by: astroidea
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Government should remove itself 100% from issues of personal morality, since it's wholly subjective and absolutely NOT the governments area. Drug use, sexuality, religion, etc...the government should NEVER have ANYTHING to do with ANY of it.

libertarians unite!

indeed, PoW is another dude I thought I'd never agree with

times change
 

waffleironhead

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Aug 10, 2005
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I look at it this way.
Does someone being homosexual affect me dierctly in an adverse manner? NO.
Should the govenment stay the hell out of my personal business? YES.
 

Ryan

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Originally posted by: Platypus
now we just need fobot's slippery slope argument and we'll have a gay old time.

We could make this thread about cottage cheese....? I like mine just with pepper, maybe some tomato :) yum
 

MarcVenice

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I didn't read all comments, but I just had to share this. The fact that religion, and the bible, is so against homosexuality, is exactly what's keeping homosexuality alive. This is assuming it's in our genes, and not a choice. Because, if you are raised and told being gay is bad, and you end up pretending to be heterosexual, and get kids, your genes get passed on. If all gay people were allowed to be gay, and thus be unable to reproduce for the most part, the homosexual genes would cease to exist sooner or later ?

Discuss ?
 

Platypus

Lifer
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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
I didn't read all comments, but I just had to share this. The fact that religion, and the bible, is so against homosexuality, is exactly what's keeping homosexuality alive. This is assuming it's in our genes, and not a choice. Because, if you are raised and told being gay is bad, and you end up pretending to be heterosexual, and get kids, your genes get passed on. If all gay people were allowed to be gay, and thus be unable to reproduce for the most part, the homosexual genes would cease to exist sooner or later ?

Discuss ?

oh man... my head just fucking exploded

 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Answer truthfully now. :D

Seriously, I was thinking about this after that thread on that nutball congresswoman from Oklahoma or where ever the fuck she was from.

Personally, I think politicians should shut the hell up about religion and sexuality. Too often they end up sticking their jackbooted foot in their pie hole anyway either by words or by their actions (tapping foot in the mens room at an airport for example). Homosexuality is not a problem anyone needs to address...especially not our government.

Before I answer the poll, define what you mean by the Government addressing Homosexuality? If you mean staying out of the bedroom and letting consenting adults make their own decisions, then yes the Government needs to stay out of it. But if you are talking about defending the rights of Homosexuals and protecting them from discrimination, then the Government has a constitutional role to protect this group. This is much more complex than what the poll is leading too, so please clarify what you mean by the Government staying out of it.
 

Saint Michael

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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
I didn't read all comments, but I just had to share this. The fact that religion, and the bible, is so against homosexuality, is exactly what's keeping homosexuality alive. This is assuming it's in our genes, and not a choice. Because, if you are raised and told being gay is bad, and you end up pretending to be heterosexual, and get kids, your genes get passed on. If all gay people were allowed to be gay, and thus be unable to reproduce for the most part, the homosexual genes would cease to exist sooner or later ?

Discuss ?

There's little (is there any?) evidence that homosexuality is hereditary.
 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: Dirigible
I get annoyed at the whole democrats (liberals) v. republicans (conservatives) setup in our country. I want to vote for "freedom 'n' fewer laws" and neither the left-wing wackos nor the right-wing nutjobs like freedom. So I end up voting for some minor party and waste my vote. Dangnabbit.

My poll vote should be obvious from the above.

Welcome to the Libertarian club. Liberty or death is our motto.
 

Saint Michael

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Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Dirigible
I get annoyed at the whole democrats (liberals) v. republicans (conservatives) setup in our country. I want to vote for "freedom 'n' fewer laws" and neither the left-wing wackos nor the right-wing nutjobs like freedom. So I end up voting for some minor party and waste my vote. Dangnabbit.

My poll vote should be obvious from the above.

Welcome to the Libertarian club. Liberty or death is our motto.

Except most wouldn't actually die for their liberty... not Libertarians specifically, just people in general, including Libertarians. Everybody's a romantic until reality actually strikes.
 

manowar821

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Of-course not. The only people who have a problem with it are cowards, and I mean that from the bottom of my heart. They're COWARDS. The homophobic folk will eventually be swept into the cracks, just like the racists who had a problem with inter-racial marriages not even a few decades ago.

I know people like to think of the USA as the forefront of social equality and freedom, but honestly, we're still infants in this whole grand scheme of "civilization". We have a LONG way to go before everyone is truly offered an equal chance at their own personal paradise.
 

IEC

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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
I didn't read all comments, but I just had to share this. The fact that religion, and the bible, is so against homosexuality, is exactly what's keeping homosexuality alive. This is assuming it's in our genes, and not a choice. Because, if you are raised and told being gay is bad, and you end up pretending to be heterosexual, and get kids, your genes get passed on. If all gay people were allowed to be gay, and thus be unable to reproduce for the most part, the homosexual genes would cease to exist sooner or later ?

Discuss ?

Even if you have something in your genes, it is not always expressed as a trait. Furthermore, except in cases where your genetic code is really screwed up (like Down's) your genes may predispose you to something (50% more likely to have heart disease, be gay, etc.) but it will not be the sole determining factor. Your environment, how you were raised, etc. have a lot to do with it. For example, being exposed to chemicals with estrogenic effects in the womb supposedly increases a male child's chance of being homosexual. (I do not want to bother looking up the sources, but there are studies available on pubmed and such I believe).

Genes do not determine everything. How many "identical" twins do you know who are *exactly* the same? Even within pairs of twins, one may be homosexual and one heterosexual, leading me to believe that in many instances it is a choice.
 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
I didn't read all comments, but I just had to share this. The fact that religion, and the bible, is so against homosexuality, is exactly what's keeping homosexuality alive. This is assuming it's in our genes, and not a choice. Because, if you are raised and told being gay is bad, and you end up pretending to be heterosexual, and get kids, your genes get passed on. If all gay people were allowed to be gay, and thus be unable to reproduce for the most part, the homosexual genes would cease to exist sooner or later ?

Discuss ?

If homosexuality is genetic (a lot of evidence points to this being one cause) the gene is probably recessive and could not easily be bread out. I know several homosexuals that have straight kids, so there is no evidence they pass the gene on to their children.
 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Except most wouldn't actually die for their liberty... not Libertarians specifically, just people in general, including Libertarians. Everybody's a romantic until reality actually strikes.


<------ Served his country in the first Gulf War in the United States Air Force.
 

ITJunkie

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Originally posted by: MrWizzard
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: ducci
Does the government address Down Syndrome?

:confused:

Now 6% of the world has down syndrome (DS) yet 8-10% of the world is gay. (Stats I got from other sites so i don;t know how true they are).

Why is it that gays get more bs from republicans, religious, and other nut jobs yet those with DS get a pass?

Because you don't choose to have down syndrome and you do choose whether or not to have gay sex maybe...

also the government does adress Downs, if you have it you get disability benefits from the government.

That's what I believe, it's a choice that being said I do not think the government has the right to interfere unless they are breaking a law somewhere.

I am stating this putting my moral beliefs aside.

No, you're not. Being gay is not a choice, in my experience. I've seen young male children display feminine traits as toddlers and now that they are grown, have admitted to being gay.