Do you carry a gun, why and what is it?

[Garster]

I own 2 handguns,a Glock 40(.357)semi-automatic.And a S&W model 29 8" barrel .44 mag revolver.The Glock i purchased about 2 years ago and use it regularly at the range.The S&W i purchased in 1984 and is rarely fired.
As far as gun control,the more handgun restriction laws will only put us at an even bigger disadvantage because all that will do is take them out of the hands of honest people and do diddly-squat to the dishonest.We have a right to bear arms in this country and for good reason.I think Education and Zero tolerance laws for the dishonest is a step in the right direction.

Gary

 

[eia430]

Skoorb, it is that same dis-trust of government that has made us who we are and quite different (always have been) from everybody else. Even in our distrust of our own governemnt, when we need to be we are a united force a united people. Our distrust has kept us resistant (I didn't say immune to) to corruption and resistant to forces that seek to mold us from within and without. You could say that our fighting spirit is what got us where we are as a nation and as a people. The Canadians have about the same land area as the U.S., about the same resources, certainly more lumber, and more imporantly created around the same time (roughly.) The Canadians are a peaceful people yes, stable yes, but not exactly known for their fighting spirit. I wonder if anti gun critics would much rather have a Canada than a USA????? It is our fighting spirit that demands we stick by our guns (figuratively and literaly) will we remain the USA? should we keep our uniqeness? our fighting spirit? Or should we turn to a more balmy(latitude wise) Canada? I have a great idea!! if you want to live with extensive anti gun laws there's a friendly nation that's conviniently close that you could move to....

 

[Ulfwald]

Buck, weapons have been around as long as humans. Like I said, ifr there were no guns, criminals/predators would find another weapon to use to take what they want, and the law abiding citizens would need a weapon to defend themselves. I guess since you live overseas, you live in a Utopia.

You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead lifeless hand

GOD GUNS AND GUTS made America what it is today, let's keep it that way. We may not be the perfect nation, but remember 1 thing, year after year, many leavetheir homes and come here in search of a better life, more opportunities.

We may have done a little fighting among ourselves (civil War) but you outsiders had best not mess with the US, we are armed, and will not hesitate to defend what is ours.

 

[eia430]

3615buck I was not being sarcastic in the least bit. You live in Europe....hmm this would be like me trying to give you pointers on why it's better for you to have a gun. What I say will not make any sense to you at all, just the same that since you don't live here in the US, what you say most likely will not make sense to me. And it does not make sense to me or others here. I wonder if the the Nazis would have rampaged through Europe so quickly if they had to contend with angry gun owners at every little fortress(read, house) they come across? Maybe that would have slowed down "blitz Krieg" enough for your national armies to mount a succesful defense. I know one thing... if a powerful army were to march across our lands the people would not charge their soldiers from horseback waving sabers (Poland) We would send hot lead via air mail. Call us crazy, but just try to invade us.

 

[Ulfwald]

I think that the threat of a bunch of angry Americans shooting at an invading army from behind every tree, farm house, outhouse, Snipers on the roofs of some of the taller buildings is what keeps many countries at bay.

And think about this, as much aas the media demonizes local "militias" they would be the first ones in the fray. Trust me, if some country tried to land in America, those people would try and wipe out every last one of the invading army.

Like I said before, Don't mess with the USA.

 

[thebestMAX]

UFWALD -

Agree with all your posts especially the one about how you felt when you did use force. Bet the other guy would not have been sick if he shot you.

Lets go into business selling those signs! I would even give some of them away free as a community service. 3615 gets the first free one.

Forget 3615BUCK as he has no sense of humor or logic and as with most liberals is baffled by it. BTW, isnt a buck usually the prime target during hunting season?

 

[Ulfwald]

Especially a 3615 buck, man that amount of meat would feed my family for a couple of years

Imagine the spread of that rack WHOA!

Oh well, I guess you have to live here to appreciate the freedoms that are afforded to you.

 

[3615buck]

OK guys, I leave you playing little soldiers with your toys...
BTW, next time you buy a gun, buy it from FN... they are Belgian !

 

[eia430]

Ulfwald, yep, I for one would give an invading army hell. I know the hills around my house very well and my 30-06 can group 3" at 200 yards (I imagine accurate chest shots out to 800+) I don't care how good the invading army is, I'll go down taking a few of them with me. Any invading army would already have hell to pay just with us gun-toting civilians. Good thing we are also backed by the best trained best equiped millitary in the world Damn I feel paitriotic right now, I think I'll swing by the range today and squeeze off a few clips.

 

[Ulfwald]

Cap off a couple for me. BTW, I took my wife to the range this past weekend, up until then she did not really have an opinion about guns, but after a couple of houndred rounds she said "The ability to defend herself incase of an attack is important, and now since I know I can shoot this without fear of it, I want one of my own. Also, being able to control that much power is a turn on,........."
(You fill in the rest)

Now she wants a Taurus 380 for her purse. What do you know, I converted a Gun Control advocate into a right to carry advocate.

 

[eia430]

3615buck Yes those Fabrique Nationale's rifles are nice. A close friend has one. Although I think just a tad too heavy(weight) for anything but squad support role. Either way it's too bad that you Belgians won't even get to touch one unless you enlist. Isn't that funny? us here on the other side of the pond can just go down to the store and buy one. I guess that means us civilians can be just as well equiped as your national army troops.

 

[eia430]

Ulfwald, good going turning an uneducated gun critic into an educated pro rights voter. All the other nations can stick by their gun bans, I'll stick with my guns.

 

[thebestMAX]

UFWALD -

Looks like 3615 couldnt take the heat.

Got a brand new hammerless Taurus 5 shot '38 revolver that Ill let you have cheap.

Sorry, forgot with our laws I probably cant sell it to you legally. Wonder if I could even give it to you legally? Know the bad guys lay awake nights worrying about there things. Mine is registered to me and thus opens up a whole can of worms.

The above uses examples and sarcasm to get a point across for all of those who didnt get it.

 

[Ulfwald]

As much as I would want to purchase that particular weapon, I am partial to High capacity magazines, and the good ol standby Mossberg 12 gague 10 round pump. Nothing stikes fear into a perps heart more than the distinct sound of that pump being locked and loaded.

My line of defenses at my house are

1: Alarm system
2: 2 protective but non aggressive dogs, (If I let you in the house, they love everybody, but if you come in in the middle of the night uninvited, WATCH OUTthoise two will double team you until i call them off)
3: My guns (as usual the last resort)

 

[chiwawa626]

What do you guys think about Guns, and how children get a hold of them by mistake. how do you store your guns? and For the columbine insident, who do u think is to blame?

 

[Ulfwald]

the parents are to blame

first, children should be educated about guns, responsible ownership, and the consequenses that pulling the trigger has

second, parents need to take a more active role in their kids lives, not have a daycare raise them.

As far as columbine, I still blame 1 the parents (see my second argument) those parents should have known 2) gun laws What if an administrator had been legally al;lowed to carry a weapon? He/she could have ended the blood shed much sooner. Gun laws do nothing to stop those who wish to do harm, they only stop those of us who abide by them.

 

[Frenchie]

Nothing stikes fear into a perps heart more than the distinct sound of that pump being locked and loaded.

Aint that the truth. After having spoken to a few burglers/thieves (gotta love the people that you come into contact with working for a judge), the one thing that they feared more than anything was the sound of a shotgun being pumped. That was the one thing that would make any of them run out of the home that they had entered.

 

[Underclocked]

I'm personally sick of these arguments. Trying to convince a herd of sheep that a wolf isn't impressed by their soft wool or peaceful bleating is pointless. They are still sheep.

Anybody have a Walther PP .22 they want to part with cheap? German made of course. Always wanted to own one of those little jewels to go plinking with, but they're a bit pricey.

 

[Ulfwald]

I have been around guns since I was 2 years old. I have also lived on a farm where TNT was readily available for removing stumps from a newly cleared patch of land. Because my parents, grand parents, and entire family taught me respect, responsibility, and just plain old common sense, I have never used a firearm as an aggressive or offensive weapon. Now if all families would do that, then we would have a better society.

 

[StageLeft]

I believe that Frenchie I'm picturing the sound now...

ulfald Gun laws do nothing to stop those who wish to do harm, they only stop those of us who abide by them.
That isn't entirely true. Take countries like Canada and England where gun-related crime is so much less. I agree the cultures are different as well but guns are much much harder to come by. In fact I'm telling the truth when I say that if I had to get a gun within, say, an hour, I don't know how I'd do it. My friend's father used to have a rifle and shotgun but due to recent registration laws he just turned them in. I _could_ get a gun if I had enough time but for a spur of the moment sort of thing I wouldn't be able to...and it surely wouldn't be a fancy semi-auto rifle or anything like that.

Oh also don't you think perhaps its easier to try and deal with the number of illegal guns around than fixing all of the disfunctional families we have? I just think that legal gun ownership puts guns out in such numbers that it makes it easier for bad guys to get their grubby paws on them.

However reading this thread I'm starting to think that if I lived in the states I would think of buying a gun for myself. I mean you need fire to fight fire...but it doesn't mean I would not also endorse some strict methods to try and decrease the number of guns overall, and once low enough I'd get rid of mine too.

 

[Ulfwald]

Ok Skoorb you make a good point......................for my side

If you had to lay your hands on a gun quickly, you couldnt do it legally because of background checks and paperwork. However the criminal can get his hands on an illegal weapon illegally, Why, because he has no respect for law.

True situation

I worked as a security officer in Downtown Atlanta in the worst "hood" possible. A woman kicked her abusive husband out of the house and was scared for her life. She went to get a gun, but because of the mandatory waiting period, she had to wait. Her background was clear, but she still had to wait. Her husband, came back that next day and shot her through the head with an illegally obtained weapon, serial number filed off.

Hence who did the gun law stop, the law abiding citizen, or the vengeful b@stard who shot her?

I have a permit to carry in Alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee. I carry concealed all the time. But I do it legally.

BTW I had to write the report on that lady's murder.

The best way to deal with illegal guns is to make it legal for every law respecting citizen to carry a weapon any where they wish to. That would be the biggest deterrent there is. Think about it.................You are about to rob someone, but due to no carry laws this person may be armed and willing to use it. Do you take a chance of getting shot, possibly killed over a few dollars in the wallet, a couple of credit cards that he will cancel as soon as you leave? I can tell you that if you meet me and have the gumption to try and rob me, unless you are really good and quick, I will be airmailing you a few rounds of hot lead, and although i am no marksman, I can empty a full 18 round clip into a paperplate at 25 feet. Which to me is the maximum range for a hand gun encounter.

 

[Underclocked]

GUN RIGHTS REFRESHER COURSE
a.. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
b.. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
c.. Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface.(lol)
d.. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.
e.. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?
f.. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.
g.. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
h.. If you don't know your rights you don't have any.
i.. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.
j.. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved.
k.. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?
l.. The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.
m.. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
n.. Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians.
o.. Know guns, know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety.
p.. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
q.. 911 - government sponsored Dial a Prayer.
r.. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
s.. Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer.
t.. If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson.
u.. Only a government that is afraid of it's citizens try to control them.
v.. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.
w.. Enforce the "gun control laws" in place, don't make more.
x.. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.
y.. The American Revolution would never have happened with Gun Control.
z. "...a government by the people, for the people..."

found this over at SysOpt and I like it.

 

[Lalakai]

I dunno folks but maybe I'm missing something about this thread or the entire gun issue. I've been raised around firearms since day one and have received extensive training concerning firearms and their usage. Even with these conditions I get a bit nervous after hearing so many people talking about using firearms to protect their homes and families.

No, I do not advocate or support 90% of the gun control agendas but too many people that I know do not have the self control to realize when using a firearm is necessary, versus a quick and "manly" solution. I would like to see mandatory training for pistol ownership and built in locks on all firearms, and at the same time allow individuals to legally carry fully concealed and loaded firearms. Mandate minimum sentenacing for firearm related crimes.

Unfortunately this would involve more government intervention and at that I draw the line; too many times have the government and their agencies lied to us.

As they say: "No matter how paranoid you are, you are not paranoid enough".

 

[Ulfwald]

Underclocked, best post so far. I am in total aggreement with you.

 

[StageLeft]

ulfwald What do you do for a living? I might have missed it...

But the reason I can't get my hand on a gun quickly is because I don't need one! And that is because comparitively few criminals have them as well The only way I know of to get a gun quickly here would basically be to break into a sporting goods store.

I may not be able to get a gun quickly if I need one, but I will not nearly be as likely to need one as if I was living in the states, because I know that I have a very small chance of being assaulted by somebody with one.