I'm personally wondering if the majority of all you antigun people have actually been put in a lifethreatening situation that involved an asualt. It really sucks being shot at, being beaten to a pulp with a bat, getting robbed at gunpoint. Maybe this doesn't happen where you live, some of us have it a little differently though. I haven't once been exposed to a situation where I needed a gun since I moved back in with my parents (nicer part of town), conincednce? Probably not. Before that I lived with some friends in a less than ideal area and if I lived there now, I'd wouldn't leave the house without some sort of protection. I do however agree that alot of people have no need for a gun, but until somethings change, there will always be people with a need for protection.
Bestmax, no it was not directly obvious (to me at least) but I now know that..
Russ, a .380? correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of a handgun for personal protection to use lethal force against an immediate life-endagering threat? and in such a case isn't a rapid takedown the most desireable quality? I personaly haven't shot anybody in years (actualy never) but wouldn't a .45 or at least a 9mm give much better odds of a quick takedown than a .380?? I'm sure that eventualy you will be just as dead with the .380, but hopefuly that point comes BEFORE your target has a chance to empty his clip at you. Just wondering why a .380 was suggested over more potent rounds.
Russ, a .380? correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of a handgun for personal protection to use lethal force against an immediate life-endagering threat? and in such a case isn't a rapid takedown the most desireable quality? I personaly haven't shot anybody in years (actualy never) but wouldn't a .45 or at least a 9mm give much better odds of a quick takedown than a .380?? I'm sure that eventualy you will be just as dead with the .380, but hopefuly that point comes BEFORE your target has a chance to empty his clip at you. Just wondering why a .380 was suggested over more potent rounds.
Russ, oops, ignore the last post.. I realize why you suggeted a .380 although the recoil of a .45 is so gentle that I believe most women with practice could manage fine. My exfiance (we're still best friends) can fire my .45 with no problems. I would much rather have a loved one carry a .45 with a ported muzzle brake(to reduce lift and recoil) than a .380 .
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regarding high capacity clips, it is legal to buy, own and use hi-caps but the grey area comes in when you combine a hi-cap with a post ban firearm. I think that technically it is illegal and if they wanted to push the issue there could be some problems.
Having the NRA regulating the firearm issue wouldn't make much difference; the criminals will still do as they want and the ordinary citizen will still own and use the same number of firearms as they currently do.
It's a "Catch-22" with many of the gun control issues. Most are common sense and in many states are already being used. The biggest issue is that most gun owners do not the trust the government in the least and will not budge an inch, fearing that "give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile".
Having the NRA regulating the firearm issue wouldn't make much difference; the criminals will still do as they want and the ordinary citizen will still own and use the same number of firearms as they currently do.
It's a "Catch-22" with many of the gun control issues. Most are common sense and in many states are already being used. The biggest issue is that most gun owners do not the trust the government in the least and will not budge an inch, fearing that "give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile".
eia430,
Actually, when stoked with Corbon +p JHP's the .380's not a bad little piece in the range within most confrontations occur (21 feet or less). You're right that a 9MM or .45 ACP has far more stopping power, though; about double the muzzle energy.
I wasn't really concerned about recoil so much as frame size. I know plenty of women that fire 44 mags at the range, but it's still an ill-fit in a small hand.
Russ, NCNE
Actually, when stoked with Corbon +p JHP's the .380's not a bad little piece in the range within most confrontations occur (21 feet or less). You're right that a 9MM or .45 ACP has far more stopping power, though; about double the muzzle energy.
I wasn't really concerned about recoil so much as frame size. I know plenty of women that fire 44 mags at the range, but it's still an ill-fit in a small hand.
Russ, NCNE
Russ, yeah unfortunately nothing much can be done about frame size. I guess it would be neat to go around playing james bond with a walther PPK...
Russ, IMO I believe before I would suggest that FEG to a lady with no handgun experience I would feel a little better with something with less moving parts than that FEG, maybe something like the S&W model 38 Bodyguard Airweight, it's smaller, lighter, more reliable, more firepower and easier to operate. I just think that a revolver like this is better overall for someone who knows nothing about guns.
Russ, I have fired a Desertt Eagle and I love that thing. It is like holding an insane bull by the ear, raw power at the finger tips.
robisc,
Excellent point.
Pastfinder,
It's fun at the range, but it is definitely not suitable for carry.
Russ, NCNE
Excellent point.
Pastfinder,
It's fun at the range, but it is definitely not suitable for carry.
Russ, NCNE
I heartily agree with the suggestion of a revolver for those who are just becoming familiar with firearms for either target shooting or for personal and/or home defense:
The absolute worst case defense scenario with a semi-auto pistol is a failure to fire or reload-related stoppage. The ability to clear the stoppage and return the firearm to service under stress is NOT INTUITIVE (!) without properly supervised instruction and extensive practice.
With a revolver, you simply pull the trigger again, which is both intuitive and reflexive.
I suggest whatever suits your price range that provides comfortable fit and/or concealability (for those considering legal CCW status). I further recommend .357 Magnum caliber, as you can readily and affordably shoot the .38 Special cartridge in any .357 revolver until you are proficiently using .357 ammo on a regular basis.
The absolute worst case defense scenario with a semi-auto pistol is a failure to fire or reload-related stoppage. The ability to clear the stoppage and return the firearm to service under stress is NOT INTUITIVE (!) without properly supervised instruction and extensive practice.
With a revolver, you simply pull the trigger again, which is both intuitive and reflexive.
I suggest whatever suits your price range that provides comfortable fit and/or concealability (for those considering legal CCW status). I further recommend .357 Magnum caliber, as you can readily and affordably shoot the .38 Special cartridge in any .357 revolver until you are proficiently using .357 ammo on a regular basis.
Russ
Corbon will make any ammo if you order enough to pay for production. Before H&H's new suppressor, everyone used 147 grain ammo. It operated the mechanism of most full autos and was sub-sonic. The H&K suppressor eliminated the need since it brough the velocity of any ammo to sub-sonic levels thus eliminating the 'crack.'
When the need arises to carry....
S&W Model 640. Snubby hammerless .38 with custom action and sites. Federal Nyclad 125 g +P semi-wadcutter hollowpoint. Nylon covered to prevent corrosion. This was a favored FBI load for years.
or... a Highly customized Colt Officers Model in 45 ACP. 2-tone teflon finish. Bo-Mar low mount adjustable sites with tritium inserts. Ribbed slide. Squared and checkered trigger guard. Front and backstrap checkered. Dove-tail . Ambidextrious safety. Stainless match barrell and bushing. Titanium firing pin. In a DeSantis 'Miami Vice' rig. Federal Hydroshocks in +P. In a gun vice it will shoot one-hole 3 shot groups at 25 feet.
or...Glock 21 in 45 ACP. Nothing else need be said!
and..an assortement of artillery, but it's too heavy to carry!
Red Dawn
The NRA has done an excellent job of educating it's members, and everyone else willing to listen, on safety. They give away gun locks free for the asking.
I'd bet if you just were able to track NRA Members, you'd find practically a zero misuse of firearms.
Corbon will make any ammo if you order enough to pay for production. Before H&H's new suppressor, everyone used 147 grain ammo. It operated the mechanism of most full autos and was sub-sonic. The H&K suppressor eliminated the need since it brough the velocity of any ammo to sub-sonic levels thus eliminating the 'crack.'
When the need arises to carry....
S&W Model 640. Snubby hammerless .38 with custom action and sites. Federal Nyclad 125 g +P semi-wadcutter hollowpoint. Nylon covered to prevent corrosion. This was a favored FBI load for years.
or... a Highly customized Colt Officers Model in 45 ACP. 2-tone teflon finish. Bo-Mar low mount adjustable sites with tritium inserts. Ribbed slide. Squared and checkered trigger guard. Front and backstrap checkered. Dove-tail . Ambidextrious safety. Stainless match barrell and bushing. Titanium firing pin. In a DeSantis 'Miami Vice' rig. Federal Hydroshocks in +P. In a gun vice it will shoot one-hole 3 shot groups at 25 feet.
or...Glock 21 in 45 ACP. Nothing else need be said!
and..an assortement of artillery, but it's too heavy to carry!
Red Dawn
The NRA has done an excellent job of educating it's members, and everyone else willing to listen, on safety. They give away gun locks free for the asking.
I'd bet if you just were able to track NRA Members, you'd find practically a zero misuse of firearms.
You all miss the point.
Screw licensing. Private citizens with firepower is the only thing that keeps ALGORE and the other socialists from turning this country over to NATO and the Illuminati. It's the fact that armed revolt and overthrow is possible that keeps our out-of-control government remotely in check.
God Bless, Mr. Heston.
/rant mode .off
Screw licensing. Private citizens with firepower is the only thing that keeps ALGORE and the other socialists from turning this country over to NATO and the Illuminati. It's the fact that armed revolt and overthrow is possible that keeps our out-of-control government remotely in check.
God Bless, Mr. Heston.
/rant mode .off
Hey I get to carry my gun to an approved Range anywhere in Canada or the border directly there and back to my house. With a trigger lock, locked in a box, consealed from view or in the car trunk. The ammunition must be locked up separately. It only takes 15 minutes to get ready to go to the range.
I don't think criminals are subject to these regulations.
If I could have only one it would be a single stack full size 45 built on a stainless Gold Cup frame, all dehorned, meltdown bomar,or Tasco Optina? Shooting 200gr SWC Winchester Jacketed Match (low smoke, low flash,low lead. Its not too stout of a load but I don't know of even a drug crazed killer that can't be stopped by a double tap to the high center mass.
I probably would carry sometimes if the law allowed. Can't take the dog everywhere. But in truth I'm with Ted Nugent if some key person was armed at some of these mass murder things the body counts probably would be smaller.
I don't think criminals are subject to these regulations.
If I could have only one it would be a single stack full size 45 built on a stainless Gold Cup frame, all dehorned, meltdown bomar,or Tasco Optina? Shooting 200gr SWC Winchester Jacketed Match (low smoke, low flash,low lead. Its not too stout of a load but I don't know of even a drug crazed killer that can't be stopped by a double tap to the high center mass.
I probably would carry sometimes if the law allowed. Can't take the dog everywhere. But in truth I'm with Ted Nugent if some key person was armed at some of these mass murder things the body counts probably would be smaller.
cardiac
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Skoorb, nope, the AK-47 'tis no toy. Actually, it is quite accurate for a loosely put together weapon. I have played with fitting the action a little tighter, installed a bipod, and it has a Michigan Ordnance muzzle brake on it (Pre-ban). Quite accurate out to around 125 meters or so. For longer distances, I prefer my Savage FP-100 police sniper rifle. Shooting off the sandbags, with 160 grain Federal boat-tails, it will put 5 shot groups into 3" at 200 yards. Which is just dandy for me....
Bob
Bob
Ok, I am getting tired of all these gun control nuts saying that we need to get the guns out of peoples hands. I have a challenge for those who think this way:
Place a big sign in your front yard, on your door, or somplace highly visible. It should read
WE SUPPORT GUN CONTROL, THEREFORE:THIS HOME IS HAPPILY GUN FREE. WE OWN NO FIREARMS
Go do that.
It is the fear that a perp may meet up with an armed home owner that keeps many criminals from doing more than they do now.
Place a big sign in your front yard, on your door, or somplace highly visible. It should read
WE SUPPORT GUN CONTROL, THEREFORE:THIS HOME IS HAPPILY GUN FREE. WE OWN NO FIREARMS
Go do that.
It is the fear that a perp may meet up with an armed home owner that keeps many criminals from doing more than they do now.
Preyhunter
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Kahr .40 stainless, great size for carry but a bit on the heavy side for its size. Why do I carry? Why not? I live in a state that will license me to do so. You never know.
Russ, ever try the Pager Pal holster? Pretty nice concealed carry rig.
Russ, ever try the Pager Pal holster? Pretty nice concealed carry rig.
im with Paulson, im not old enough, and they dont really intrest me
but have you ever defended urself with ur guns?
but have you ever defended urself with ur guns?
ulfwald,
The gun-grabbers would never do that because even they know the REAL truth. They rely on us to keep the slimeballs guessing.
Russ, NCNE
The gun-grabbers would never do that because even they know the REAL truth. They rely on us to keep the slimeballs guessing.
Russ, NCNE
Has anyone stopped to think about how some people just love guns like anything else. Guns can be a very fun and challenging hobby, like computers to some. Maybe the thought of being protected by the hobby you love is just an added bonus. Yeah, you could drop a monitor on someone's head and kill them, but thats highly unlikely! A day out on the range can be a thrill. Trying to sight a gun in or hitting dead center bullseye with a whole clip is challenging and personally satisfying. Though my patern needs to improve a hell of alot!
I have many but like my Para 14.45 and Sig 226 . Its the whole thought of the Government taking away our rights (guns). Let em get on a roll so the cant take away your freedom of speech and religion too!!! This is just the tip of the iceberg my friends. Shure people fall victims to gun related violence, but a hell of a lot more die in automobile accidents every day. You dont see the Government trying to take away our autos or suing the manufacurers do you? Or maybe that is in the works too? Gore has been running backup for our so called "leader" for years, with scandal after scandal showing the American public just how to get away with these "alleged" sexual acts in office! How does our youth react when they see what it takes to be the "leader of the country now? I can get away with murder now (remember waco?). Its time for a change. Vote BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!while we still have some freedoms left.
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