It's gonna be real interesting to see what happens in Yugoslavia. The Socialists are in control, they dominate the press, the police and the army. They hide the key to the ballot box. The people have no guns. It's gonna get nasty. According to DanC and similar ilk, the citizens should have Zero chance. Time will tell.
.22 single shot bolt action Lithgow Rifle, rust coloured.
IMAO people who fancy things like Desert Eagles, are people who just happen to feel a bit inadequate about the size of their dicks.
Ulfwald, did you no their have been literally hundreds of cases in the States where police were enforcing a no knock warrent, & ended up "no knocking" the wrong address, & because some paranoid was keeping a gun for self defence by the bed thought there was some intruder about, pulled their gun up, & they ending up getting blasted by the cops.
So just by the fact they kept a gun for self defence & the cops got the address fuked up, they ended up dead.
IMAO people who fancy things like Desert Eagles, are people who just happen to feel a bit inadequate about the size of their dicks.
Ulfwald, did you no their have been literally hundreds of cases in the States where police were enforcing a no knock warrent, & ended up "no knocking" the wrong address, & because some paranoid was keeping a gun for self defence by the bed thought there was some intruder about, pulled their gun up, & they ending up getting blasted by the cops.
So just by the fact they kept a gun for self defence & the cops got the address fuked up, they ended up dead.
DABANSHEE, I realize that people make mistakes, but it is the cops fault for not making sure they are at the wrong address, not the home owners fault for being scared out of their mind and defending themselves.
Like I said,
1) Hold people accountable for their actions, even the cops who mistakenly enter the wrong house.
2) Leave the right to self defense alone.
chiwawa626
Yes I have used my weapon to defend myself, and someone elses life.
I used to live in Milledgeville GA back when I was 21, and legally able to obtain a permit and carry here in GA. A very out of control a$$hole grabbed my girlfriend and threatened to rape her, he left his left knee exposed so I pulled my 9 mm and blew his kneecap off. I then proceeded to hold the gun on him while she ran inside and called the cops. They came and did nothing to me except hold my weapon while they took statements. It was promptly returned to me by the supervisor who asked me if I wanted a job. I said no.
In 1995, I was involved in an attempted car jacking. He grabbed me and then yanked me out of my truck only to come face to barrell with that same 9mm, He just put his hands up. I then had him lie face down on the pavement in the rain. The gas station attendent came out laughing and told me the the police were on the way for a "Free pick up and delivery" to the local jail. I never fired a shot that night, nor have I had any reason to "draw down" on anyone since then(except for the paper targets at the range 2x a month).
If you decide to own a weapon:\
1) Take a saftey course
2) Practice with your weapon of choice on a regular basis
3) Know the carry laws for your state, and stick to them.
4) Use it only as a last resort to defend yours or someone else's life. It is not a toy to be brandished about as a symbol of your manhood
Like I said,
1) Hold people accountable for their actions, even the cops who mistakenly enter the wrong house.
2) Leave the right to self defense alone.
chiwawa626
Yes I have used my weapon to defend myself, and someone elses life.
I used to live in Milledgeville GA back when I was 21, and legally able to obtain a permit and carry here in GA. A very out of control a$$hole grabbed my girlfriend and threatened to rape her, he left his left knee exposed so I pulled my 9 mm and blew his kneecap off. I then proceeded to hold the gun on him while she ran inside and called the cops. They came and did nothing to me except hold my weapon while they took statements. It was promptly returned to me by the supervisor who asked me if I wanted a job. I said no.
In 1995, I was involved in an attempted car jacking. He grabbed me and then yanked me out of my truck only to come face to barrell with that same 9mm, He just put his hands up. I then had him lie face down on the pavement in the rain. The gas station attendent came out laughing and told me the the police were on the way for a "Free pick up and delivery" to the local jail. I never fired a shot that night, nor have I had any reason to "draw down" on anyone since then(except for the paper targets at the range 2x a month).
If you decide to own a weapon:\
1) Take a saftey course
2) Practice with your weapon of choice on a regular basis
3) Know the carry laws for your state, and stick to them.
4) Use it only as a last resort to defend yours or someone else's life. It is not a toy to be brandished about as a symbol of your manhood
The only thing is that after I shot that guy, I got sick all night. When you see the blood and damage on tv, you can distance yourself, or tell yourself that it is not real, but when you are up close and personal it is a WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME. All I got to say is that a hollow point makes an ugly exit wound, but when there is exploding bone also, D@MN it is REALLY nasty.
Tominator, isn't the main source of the noise made by a gun occur when the gas propeling the bullet first meets the air outside the barrel? In light of this wouldn't you still need a silencer even though your using sub-sonic rounds? My .45 when I practice, lobs out 230grain round nose which are quite sub sonic at about 850fps or so (supersonic is 1150fps.) And my needing to use earmuffs (the hearing protection kind)will attest to it still being pretty loud. I just can't imagine thinking of a gun as quiet despite the use of subsonic rounds.
Cardiac, by fitting the action a little tighter I guess you would be taking a little away from one of the greatest assets of the AK-47, it's ability to be dependable out in the field. If I'm not mistaken having loose tolerances helps quite a lot in keeping it from jaming under adverse conditions. Who knows when you have to grab your bugout pack and the only rifle you can grab is the AK... Just my two cents but... you already have your accuracy rig, leave the AK to be itself, worts and all.
eia430
Your assumption is correct. There are 2 issues involving silenced weapons. The exploding gasses, which are contained in the large metal tube by baffels and or 'wipes,' and the sonic 'crack' made by a faster than sound projectile. H & Ks suppressor on the MPK5 was the first to address the problem successfully. Before that, everyone used the 147 gr 9mm because at the proper operating pressure it did no go super sonic, thus no 'crack.'
And I'll take either of my 'AK47' clones any day over any AR clone.
Your assumption is correct. There are 2 issues involving silenced weapons. The exploding gasses, which are contained in the large metal tube by baffels and or 'wipes,' and the sonic 'crack' made by a faster than sound projectile. H & Ks suppressor on the MPK5 was the first to address the problem successfully. Before that, everyone used the 147 gr 9mm because at the proper operating pressure it did no go super sonic, thus no 'crack.'
And I'll take either of my 'AK47' clones any day over any AR clone.
Funny,
Your first link says guns are almost never used for crimes...
whereas the second link says a gun is used every 13 seconds to protect oneself against criminals...
If both articles are right, then these guns are necessary to protect oneself against criminals... that don't have guns !!!
Your first link says guns are almost never used for crimes...
whereas the second link says a gun is used every 13 seconds to protect oneself against criminals...
If both articles are right, then these guns are necessary to protect oneself against criminals... that don't have guns !!!
3615 the link says that private (Legally) obtained and registered guns are not used to commit crimes. Your comment is one a typical Liberal would make.
Statistics...
Tell a father who killed his son by accident with his legally obtained gun that this only happens in 0.0001% of the cases !
Tell a father who killed his son by accident with his legally obtained gun that this only happens in 0.0001% of the cases !
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ulfwald
I'll check your links, but I don't see any point in sticking up the bill of rights. When somebody says "god given right" its pretty pointless...God didn't stick this in the bible, and just because something is in the bill of rights doesn't mean it is right. It was made centuries ago by humans who are fallible.
I'll check your links, but I don't see any point in sticking up the bill of rights. When somebody says "god given right" its pretty pointless...God didn't stick this in the bible, and just because something is in the bill of rights doesn't mean it is right. It was made centuries ago by humans who are fallible.
Tominator quick question... is the barrel on the MPK5 exactly the same length as the suppressed version? or rather does the surpressed version have any ports BEFORE the effective exit point of the NON supressed version. Does the supressed version simply start porting gasses before exit from barrel and effectively "shorten" the barrel? Or have they somehow found a way to reduce bullet speed AFTER it has attained it's full speed upon exiting (no more pressure behind projectile) the barrel?
Back in my teenage years like every curious child I spent a summer developing and testing various silencers for my little .22 I actualy got the report to be quieter than the action cycleing (semi auto) if I used .22 short. That crack from the .22 long rifle rounds was a bear to contend with. Of course after I came to the sobering realization that I could go to jail for what I was holding I quickly used the oxy acetalyne torch and tearfuly reduced a summer's worth of blood sweat and learning into slag
It's sad that innocent curiosity and tinkering can land you in the penn.
Back in my teenage years like every curious child I spent a summer developing and testing various silencers for my little .22 I actualy got the report to be quieter than the action cycleing (semi auto) if I used .22 short. That crack from the .22 long rifle rounds was a bear to contend with. Of course after I came to the sobering realization that I could go to jail for what I was holding I quickly used the oxy acetalyne torch and tearfuly reduced a summer's worth of blood sweat and learning into slag
It's sad that innocent curiosity and tinkering can land you in the penn.God gave us all the ability to defend ourselves, the Bill of Rights is a reaffirmation of that right, it is designed to keep government from taking away the God given right to self and family preservation. At the time it was written, guns were used to protect life, as well as provide food for the family. guns are still used to protect life, and the Bill of Rights is the only thing that stands between me and big government and their wanting to confiscate our weapons. Remember this A disarmed society is one that can easily controlled by an armed government.
Also, I refuse to live in fear of an armed predator because I have no ability to protect myself. If there is one thing I learned it is "Meet force with one level above the attacker, stop the foward aggression, and preserve innocent life at all costs"
Also, I refuse to live in fear of an armed predator because I have no ability to protect myself. If there is one thing I learned it is "Meet force with one level above the attacker, stop the foward aggression, and preserve innocent life at all costs"
>> Meet force with one level above the attacker <<
Even the US and Russian governments finally understood it was not the right point of view and are destroying part of their arsenal !
Even the US and Russian governments finally understood it was not the right point of view and are destroying part of their arsenal !
3615buck
I guess I should have given examples
If he is yelling, you yell louder
Baseball bat is met with mace
Lead pipe is met with tazer
Knife is met with handgun
Hand gun is met with SHOTGUN
Now take your Bedwetting Liberal BS somewhere else.
Why don't you take my challenge up?
Place a large sign in front of your place of residence that reads:
I AM FOR GUN CONTROL, THEREFORE THIS HOME IS HAPPILY GUN FREE. WE OWN NO FIREARMS WHATSOEVER!
I challenge you to do that and leave it up.
I guess I should have given examples
If he is yelling, you yell louder
Baseball bat is met with mace
Lead pipe is met with tazer
Knife is met with handgun
Hand gun is met with SHOTGUN
Now take your Bedwetting Liberal BS somewhere else.
Why don't you take my challenge up?
Place a large sign in front of your place of residence that reads:
I AM FOR GUN CONTROL, THEREFORE THIS HOME IS HAPPILY GUN FREE. WE OWN NO FIREARMS WHATSOEVER!
I challenge you to do that and leave it up.
Skoorb I agree with you on certain points about the God thing... it's dangerous to say God wants this or wants that, all too often it becomes apparant that it was not really God's wishes but the claimer's wishes being said. I am neither a bible thumper nor an atheist, just a guy that prefer's to keep God out of it for sanity's sake.
But I must point out though that despite what gun control nut cases say about guns now, this nation was founded by men and women that had guns within easy reach. We are the most peaceful, stable (economicly and politicaly) and powerful nation on the face of the planet. Is it really wise or even safe to mess with the mentality that got us here? Europe,Asia,the Middle East and Africa have always had very strong anti-gun laws when was the last time all out war was on their lands? When was the last time there was all out war in the good o'le gun loving USA? I wonder if gun critics would much rather have a USA that has always had strong anti gun laws but not quite so much stability, or peace ??? Is that the case? is that where were headed?
Just my 2 cents
But I must point out though that despite what gun control nut cases say about guns now, this nation was founded by men and women that had guns within easy reach. We are the most peaceful, stable (economicly and politicaly) and powerful nation on the face of the planet. Is it really wise or even safe to mess with the mentality that got us here? Europe,Asia,the Middle East and Africa have always had very strong anti-gun laws when was the last time all out war was on their lands? When was the last time there was all out war in the good o'le gun loving USA? I wonder if gun critics would much rather have a USA that has always had strong anti gun laws but not quite so much stability, or peace ??? Is that the case? is that where were headed?
Just my 2 cents
ulfwald, I'd like to take your challenge up, but here nobody has weapons, nobody feals threatened when they see people that look different and if I wrote "We have no weapons here" on my house, everybody would say "Neither do we, but why do you write it ?" What would I then say ? "Never mind, I'm taking up a challenge..."
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eia430 There haven't been any wars in Canada either!
You make good points, but back when the US was founded and people carried around muskets guns were much different. Now you can get a child with a gun going and racking up killing stats in a school thanks to the power of semi-auto. That wouldn't have happened in the past. Somebody shoots once, 20 seconds before they fire again. Guns were different and laws _and culture_ have to recognize that.
When the US was created and split from england people had a genuine and legitimate fear of the English who were running the show. That fear of gov't for some reason continues on to this day in the States, even though it is now the people's own gov't they are afraid of, and for no good reason. You can rest assured that the average joe in Canada and England is not afraid their gov't is going to clamp down on their rights because they cannot defend them with a gun...
You make good points, but back when the US was founded and people carried around muskets guns were much different. Now you can get a child with a gun going and racking up killing stats in a school thanks to the power of semi-auto. That wouldn't have happened in the past. Somebody shoots once, 20 seconds before they fire again. Guns were different and laws _and culture_ have to recognize that.
When the US was created and split from england people had a genuine and legitimate fear of the English who were running the show. That fear of gov't for some reason continues on to this day in the States, even though it is now the people's own gov't they are afraid of, and for no good reason. You can rest assured that the average joe in Canada and England is not afraid their gov't is going to clamp down on their rights because they cannot defend them with a gun...
Ok so where do you live? I live in Georgia, and people have guns, I myself included. I have only had to use it twice, once I pulled the trigger. Both times someone threatened me, or someone I loved. I will not hesitate to use it again if the need arrises, but only as A LAST RESORT
A weapon should only be used in self defense, not in anger, or just to get a point across.
If there were no such things as guns, what would we be using, bow and arrows, sword and shields, pole arms? Then would we have to register those, would they come under government control?
I can see it now the NPAA (National Pole Arm Association) Formed to help protect the rights of individuals to keep these weapons in their homes.
Government "We believe that no one should have a sword over 3 ft, No hand a half swords, or claymores should be allowed in the hands of citizens" Pole arms may not exceed 10 feet in length"
A weapon should only be used in self defense, not in anger, or just to get a point across.
If there were no such things as guns, what would we be using, bow and arrows, sword and shields, pole arms? Then would we have to register those, would they come under government control?
I can see it now the NPAA (National Pole Arm Association) Formed to help protect the rights of individuals to keep these weapons in their homes.
Government "We believe that no one should have a sword over 3 ft, No hand a half swords, or claymores should be allowed in the hands of citizens" Pole arms may not exceed 10 feet in length"
3615buck Oh I understand... you can be "brave" because you can afford to be (lives in a good community) I have quite a few friends in various unsavory parts of town that you couldn't pay a thousand bucks to post that outside their homes for even a day. Aren't you being selfish in assuming that what's ok and good for you is ok and good for another? Maybe you just don't realize that not everybody lives in good communities. Some people don't think like you because they can't afford to think like you.
eia430
Before being sarcastic, maybe you could have checked my profile...
I don't live in 'a good community', I don't even live in the United States.
I live in Europe (in Belgium) where the situation (and the law) is completely different.
People don't have guns and maybe streets are safer thanks to this.
ulfwald
I agree you have to be able to protect the ones you love, but when you say "...If there were no such things as guns, what would we be using...", I think the answer is pretty obvious...
If there were no such things as guns, maybe you would't feel threatenned and you wouldn't feel the need for a weapon
Before being sarcastic, maybe you could have checked my profile...
I don't live in 'a good community', I don't even live in the United States.
I live in Europe (in Belgium) where the situation (and the law) is completely different.
People don't have guns and maybe streets are safer thanks to this.
ulfwald
I agree you have to be able to protect the ones you love, but when you say "...If there were no such things as guns, what would we be using...", I think the answer is pretty obvious...
If there were no such things as guns, maybe you would't feel threatenned and you wouldn't feel the need for a weapon
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