Do you believe that man and the dinosaurs lived at the same time?

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
God never condemned us, we do that ourselves. If you really wanted to use your brains, you would attempt to understand that, as well as the route to escape.

Of course, God being all knowing, he knows what our free will is going to make us do. When he stuck that tree there and said not to eat from it, he knew darn well what would happen, but he did it anyway.
Either that, or God is in fact NOT all knowing.

Are you a parent? Have you ever told your Child to not do something, knowing that they would anyway?

This is hardly comparable. Parents do not create the entire world in which they're children exist, nor are they infallible.

Your position is that God should never have allowed any evil to exist, but if He had done that, good could not have existed either.

That's a lovely assertion. "The moon is made of green cheese." "Your mother is a sasquatch." "Circles have pointy corners." Also, all assertions, and also all as meaningless as the one supplied by you.

The only other alternative is that He would have made us puppets, incapable of disobeying Him, but I doubt that you would have cared for that much either.

It would be interesting to see you try to explain how we are not puppets in light of the alleged fact that your god foreknew infallibly and precisely what our future would entail when he created us.

{snip}

 

[Seekermeister]

Garth,

Why should I answer your question? The only reason that you ask, is to argue with my answer, as you have already done here.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Garth,

Why should I answer your question?

Which question? There isn't a single question mark in anything that I typed.

The only reason that you ask, is to argue with my answer, as you have already done here.

Don't make asinine claims if you don't want them challenged.

 

[Seekermeister]

I wouldn't mind having to answer a challenge, but your questions (statements) are not.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
I wouldn't mind having to answer a challenge, but your questions (statements) are not.

Aren't they? I clearly called into dispute your implication that your god foreknew our futures yet somehow we are not puppets.

How is that not a challenge?

I've read you elsewhere purport to be an authority on interpretation, yet here you can't even abstract the obvious challenge laid to your claims by me. It should be no surprise to you that myself and others cannot take you seriously when you make such glaring errors.

 

[Seekermeister]

Simply making assertions is meaningless. A true challenge must have some substance to deal with.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Are you a parent? Have you ever told your Child to not do something, knowing that they would anyway?

No, but I do know what you're getting at. Only thing is, if I tell my kid "no cookies before dinner" and set the cookie jar on the floor, with the lid off, and he does eat a cookie, I'm not going to open the door and send him out into the cold, and say "never come back, you sinful little cretin!"

Your position is that God should never have allowed any evil to exist, but if He had done that, good could not have existed either. The only other alternative is that He would have made us puppets, incapable of disobeying Him, but I doubt that you would have cared for that much either. Therefore, the last alternative is that we listen to, learn from and obey God, because we choose to do so, but to do that we must grow and develop. That is what life is all about...maturing.

So the options are this:
- We have a choice of how to live our lives: God's way or eternal damnation.
- No choice, we just do "God's way" all the time, with no knowledge of anything else.


Pretty lousy choices.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Simply making assertions is meaningless.

Physician, heal thyself!

A true challenge must have some substance to deal with.

In other words, you'd rather dodge the challenge than engage it. I presented the dilemma clearly, your puerile deflection notwithstanding. Run away, then, and become yet another datum in my tally of woefully ignorant Christians.

 

[Seekermeister]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
No, but I do know what you're getting at. Only thing is, if I tell my kid "no cookies before dinner" and set the cookie jar on the floor, with the lid off, and he does eat a cookie, I'm not going to open the door and send him out into the cold, and say "never come back, you sinful little cretin!"

God never did this either. Yes, He expelled Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden, but that was for their own good. God never forsook either of them, or anyone else. There was no hate in His act.

So the options are this:
- We have a choice of how to live our lives: God's way or eternal damnation.
- No choice, we just do "God's way" all the time, with no knowledge of anything else.


Pretty lousy choices.

Whether you like the choice or not, at least you do have a choice. The only reason that you don't want to live as He intended, is because you really don't understand what that means in the first place.

 

[Seekermeister]

Garth,

If it makes you feel superior to believe as you do, I wouldn't want to disturb your delussion.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Simply making assertions is meaningless.

Physician, heal thyself!

A true challenge must have some substance to deal with.

In other words, you'd rather dodge the challenge than engage it. I presented the dilemma clearly, your puerile deflection notwithstanding. Run away, then, and become yet another datum in my tally of woefully ignorant Christians.

You finally understand how Seeketh's mind works. Don't try to use logic, reason, or intellect; he'll say that your god's d1ck isn't nearly as big as his god's d1ck, which, by the way, is the only reply he's ever given to any question posed to him, at least on anandtech.com.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Garth,

If it make you feel superior to believe as you do, I wouldn't want to disturb your disallussion.

It makes me feel nothing of the sort. In fact, it rather makes me feel less to know that I live contemporarily with a person who would so casually produce a thoughtless claim like you have and then refuse to substantiate it when it is called into question. It always saddens me to encounter a person lacking integrity.

What are you so afraid of? Moreover, if you are so afraid of your claims being disputed, why do you make them in the first place?

Do you even realize what kind of "witness" you have become? Don't you think it would be better for you simply to NOT make the claims that you do rather than to flounder so pitifully when the claims that you do make are brought under scrutiny?

 

[Seekermeister]

Garth,

Your "compassion" overwhelms me. Attempting to frame your words with a light that is lacking changes nothing.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Garth,

Your "compassion" overwhelms me.

...yet not to the point of defending your ridiculous claim, which is all I asked for from the start.

Attempting to frame your words with a light that is lacking changes nothing.

Apparently it does not. You remain disingenuous.

 

[Seekermeister]

What purpose does repeating yourself serve? Believe it or not, I understood you the first time.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
What purpose does repeating yourself serve?

What purpose does it serve to reply to me without a response to my initial challenge?

Believe it or not, I understood you the first time.

...and that's almost certainly why you refuse to engage me.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
What purpose does repeating yourself serve?

What purpose does it serve to reply to me without a response to my initial challenge?

Believe it or not, I understood you the first time.

...and that's almost certainly why you refuse to engage me.

It is entertaining to continually make him look as foolish as he actually is, isn't it?

 

[Seekermeister]

Garth,

What purpose does it serve to reply to me without a response to my initial challenge?

Perhaps, I prefer to give you the benefit of the doubt, and want to think that you might consider the fashion in which you are addressing this. But, if not, then you have others around to keep you company.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Moonbeam,

And there is more than one door to the room of Love. There is no teaching, There is no truth. There is no way. There is no religion, no God no no God, no anything of words. There is only one teacher and it is Love. Ask yourself if the world has no meaning would you love anyway.

Of course you believe in god...yourself. You make statements about something that you have no knowledge of of means to test by anything other than your own opinion, which you have no inhibition about offering generously. You are verbose, yet say nothing which is true. The only love that you know anything about, is love for yourself, which is abundantly demonstrated in several threads. I do not believe that you take anything seriously...it all a game for your own amusement.

I never make any assumptions about anyone.

A true challenge must have some substance to deal with.

I see Garth picked up on those too. Hehe.

I thought Vic nailed your right in the head. I am a heritic because I am free from your prison and that sort of pisses you off. You fear deviation because you are in hell and you've come to collect more prisoners. I smell MRPALCO.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Garth,

What purpose does it serve to reply to me without a response to my initial challenge?

Perhaps, I prefer to give you the benefit of the doubt, and want to think that you might consider the fashion in which you are addressing this.

What "fashion" is that? I laid a challenge to your claim very simply and directly. This whole rigamarole has unfolded as a consequence of your disingenuousness.

So, I repeat my question: What purpose does it serve to reply to me without a response to my initial challenge?

But, if not, then you have others around to keep you company.

"But, if not..." what, exactly?

 

[Seekermeister]

Garth,

You are being willingly intractable. You understood what I said, so why the questions? Since you do not wish a productive dialog, I shall leave you to your companions, and together you can congratulate, consolace or colaborate as you see fit.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Garth,

You are being willingly intractable.

Perhaps you should remove the plank from your own eye before attempting to point out any speck you think is in mine.

You understood what I said, so why the questions?

All I have understood is that you will not defend your asinine claims after you make them. That is the very definition of disingenuous.

Since you do not wish a productive dialog,

That is simply false. I would love to have a productive dialog, and I sought one with my initial challenge. You, on the other hand, have been tap-dancing left and right to avoid it.

I shall leave you to your companions, and together you can congratulate, consolace or colaborate as you see fit.

Wow, you really enjoy reveling in your persecution complex, don't you?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Garth,

You are being willingly intractable.

Perhaps you should remove the plank from your own eye before attempting to point out any speck you think is in mine.

You understood what I said, so why the questions?

All I have understood is that you will not defend your asinine claims after you make them. That is the very definition of disingenuous.

Since you do not wish a productive dialog,

That is simply false. I would love to have a productive dialog, and I sought one with my initial challenge. You, on the other hand, have been tap-dancing left and right to avoid it.

I shall leave you to your companions, and together you can congratulate, consolace or colaborate as you see fit.

Wow, you really enjoy reveling in your persecution complex, don't you?

Imagine a person who while messing around with a paper clip sticks in into an electrical socket and electrocutes himself. The surge of electrons through is brain stops all rational thought and ends all existential pain for some moments of time as his brain temporarily flat-lines. He spends the rest of his life trying to bring this wonderful peace to you. What you need to do, you see, is every Wednesday as 7:09 PM bend a paper clip into a very particular shape while listening to The Walrus in the background. The lights need to be turned on and off and you have to have on only one shoe. Then you grab the faucet with one hand and with the other you poke the paper clip just so into the plug where your toaster goes. If you miss any of these vital steps, however, you may instead wind up in hell. The gate is very narrow and many are lost along the way. Such is the will of God.

This is now written up in a book called the Holy Electric Blue full of all kinds of stories about what it's like to live flat-lined and none of this text can be questioned. And it takes years of practice to get the whole ritual down so you'll have to work at it hard.

You have no right to discuss electricity with he who knows how to bend a paper clip you sad lost fool. You speak of amps when it's all about the angle of bend.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Imagine a person who while messing around with a paper clip sticks in into an electrical socket and electrocutes himself. The surge of electrons through is brain stops all rational thought and ends all existential pain for some moments of time as his brain temporarily flat-lines. He spends the rest of his life trying to bring this wonderful peace to you. What you need to do, you see, is every Wednesday as 7:09 PM bend a paper clip into a very particular shape while listening to The Walrus in the background. The lights need to be turned on and off and you have to have on only one shoe. Then you grab the faucet with one hand and with the other you poke the paper clip just so into the plug where your toaster goes. If you miss any of these vital steps, however, you may instead wind up in hell. The gate is very narrow and many are lost along the way. Such is the will of God.

This is now written up in a book called the Holy Electric Blue full of all kinds of stories about what it's like to live flat-lined and none of this text can be questioned. And it takes years of practice to get the whole ritual down so you'll have to work at it hard.

You have no right to discuss electricity with he who knows how to bend a paper clip you sad lost fool. You speak of amps when it's all about the angle of bend.

<Clap, clap, clap> :Q

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister

So the options are this:
- We have a choice of how to live our lives: God's way or eternal damnation.
- No choice, we just do "God's way" all the time, with no knowledge of anything else.


Pretty lousy choices.

Whether you like the choice or not, at least you do have a choice. The only reason that you don't want to live as He intended, is because you really don't understand what that means in the first place.

It would also seem that no one else knows what it means to live as God intended. Some people think that it means forsaking modern technology. Some think it means praying several times a day. Some think it involves not using birth control. I guess there are in fact plenty of choices as to how to live the way God intended, because there is no clear way of how to do it. Just pick a way and hope it's right, cause if it's not, one religion or another will condemn you to an eternity of sufferring.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Imagine a person who while messing around with a paper clip sticks in into an electrical socket and electrocutes himself. The surge of electrons through is brain stops all rational thought and ends all existential pain for some moments of time as his brain temporarily flat-lines. He spends the rest of his life trying to bring this wonderful peace to you. What you need to do, you see, is every Wednesday as 7:09 PM bend a paper clip into a very particular shape while listening to The Walrus in the background. The lights need to be turned on and off and you have to have on only one shoe. Then you grab the faucet with one hand and with the other you poke the paper clip just so into the plug where your toaster goes. If you miss any of these vital steps, however, you may instead wind up in hell. The gate is very narrow and many are lost along the way. Such is the will of God.

This is now written up in a book called the Holy Electric Blue full of all kinds of stories about what it's like to live flat-lined and none of this text can be questioned. And it takes years of practice to get the whole ritual down so you'll have to work at it hard.

You have no right to discuss electricity with he who knows how to bend a paper clip you sad lost fool. You speak of amps when it's all about the angle of bend.

Anticipated response:
"You just don't understand, it doesn't work that way. No I can't explain how, but it just doesn't."