Do you believe that Christians don't believe in evolution?

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
See I told you he was a lunatic!

lol

 

[BlitzRommel]

Originally posted by: Extrarius
It saddens me to see how closed minded the mass of Christians are. I know of nowhere in the bible used by Catholics at least (I was born and raised Catholic, and still attend a Catholic Church every week) that it says that evolution did not happen. Who is to say that the 7 'days' of creation were not the steps of evolution? Just because the bible says God created us does not mean that it had to be in the *snap fingers and things appear* style. What makes you believe that God didnt create the smallest organism and then guide it to evolve to each creature that exists today?

Just wanted to bring to your attention that the Pope accepted the idea of evolution in 1996, so long as the idea acknowledges that God is our creator. I'm not Catholic, but I am a Christian, and I believe in evolution.

 

[BlitzRommel]

And honestly, I don't know what the hell brings me to these threads, only to see the two extremes of the ship of fools, bashing each other, It just stirs up a hatred and a bad reputation for others. For those here who are religious, you need to learn to respect the opinions of others who aren't. For those who are not religious, and especially for those who are anti-religious, you need to learn to respect the opinions of those who are religious. This post just reeks of disrespect for everything you don't feel is right.

 

[Red Dawn]

For those who are not religious, and especially for those who are anti-religious, you need to learn to respect the opinions of those who are religious

I have zero respect for those who are Religious Zealots. 9-11 only demonstrated what religious zealotry is all about. Whether it's Mohamed Atta or Mr. Paltroll, their Zealotry is a danger to Makind and the Civilized World.

 

[docmanhattan]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

For those who are not religious, and especially for those who are anti-religious, you need to learn to respect the opinions of those who are religious

I have zero respect for those who are Religious Zealots. 9-11 only demonstrated what religious zealotry is all about. Whether it's Mohamed Atta or Mr. Paltroll, their Zealotry is a danger to Makind and the Civilized World.

Red,

does that mean that zealotry can only been practiced when combined with hard science? You know Hitler had "scientific facts" to show that the Jews were inferior. I believe fernology(sp?), the study of the bumps on a persons head, was briefly accepted as well and considered a way to identifiy criminal tendencies. Not to mention that it was considered a fact that there were nothing but savages in the New World before colonies were ever established, thus the slow but delibrate extermination of Native Americans.

You can point all the fingers you want and wave the flag to rally support for your arguement, but the fact remains that for every atrocity perpetratred because of religious zealotry, I can cite one done in the name of quasi-sciences and "fact".

Zealotry of any kind is a danger to mankind, not just religious zealotry.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: klah

Originally posted by: Tominator

Originally posted by: klah

Originally posted by: Tominator

Please read the thread. The Bible does not exclude dinosaurs.

I want to know where they fit into the 6000 Year timeline. As noone responded to my previos question: "When were the dinosaurs alive??"

Science attempts to prove the time line through various means, but even the scientist do not agree.

We do not know.

No problem, I found the answer here: www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=faq&specific=27 at a site quoted earlier in the thread.

"Dinosaurs were made the sixth day with the rest of the animals. Noah took them on the ark (probably young ones). They have always lived with man. After the flood many died from the climate changes and from man's hunting. They were called dragons for many centuries. (The word dinosaur was just invented in 1841.) A few small dinosaurs may still be alive today in remote parts of the world. There have been over 20,000 reported sightings of dinosaur like creatures in this century"

..and from the page for the tape:
"Watch this tape to see interviews with people who claim they've seen living dinosaurs."

HAHAHAHA... they go to such great lengths.

This thread is hilarious.

 

[Red Dawn]

Zealotry of any kind is a danger to mankind, not just religious zealotry.

OK, I disrespect Hitler too

 

[docmanhattan]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Zealotry of any kind is a danger to mankind, not just religious zealotry.

OK, I disrespect Hitler too

if you want to be obtuse to my point, that's fine. but you didn't disagree, so I'll take silence as consent and interpret that as a, "yes, you're absolutely right, doc, in fact i don't know how i could have missed mentioning that in my post."

why thank you, Red.

 

[Red Dawn]

why thank you, Red.

My pleasure I'm sure

 

[Moonbeam]

Well at least science admits to a theoretical possibility of change with new information whereas religions interpretation is often portrayed as immutable.

 

[linuxboy]

And look the fruit, it appears to be banana. Have one please.


mmmm banama.


Hi Moonie , love ya.

Do you believe that Christians don't believe in evolution?

Yes. I mean no. I mean yes. No, wait...


why do you want to know?


Cheers !

 

[glen]

why do you want to know?

Good question.
I was always under the impression most believed in Evolution, but some threads here seemed to suggest otherwise.
Current research shows only a third or fewer Christians embrace "Creationism."

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Well at least science admits to a theoretical possibility of change with new information whereas religions interpretation is often portrayed an immutable.

That goes on the assumption that science, being capable of being wrong, needs to change to correct itself. A religion that follows a god who can be wrong isn't a religion that I would consider; would you!? :Q

nik

 

[Red Dawn]

A religion that follows a god who can be wrong isn't a religion that I would consider; would you!?

I guess there are those who will also need to follow a man made diety that's never wrong regardless of the facts.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

A religion that follows a god who can be wrong isn't a religion that I would consider; would you!?

I guess there are those who will also need to follow a man made diety that's never wrong regardless of the facts.

Considering that it can't be proven or disproven by man, the only "religion" that you probably follow is something along the lines of Deep Purple or Steely Dan, right?

nik

 

[Red Dawn]

Considering that it can't be proven or disproven by man, the only "religion" that you probably follow is something along the lines of Deep Purple or Steely Dan, right?

I'm a God Damned Atheist. I don't believe in religion

 

[glen]

Bodhisattva
Would you take me by the hand
Bodhisattva
Would you take me by the hand
Can you show me
The shine of your Japan
The sparkle of your china
Can you show me
Bodhisattva
Bodhisattva
I'm gonna sell my house in town
Bodhisattva
I'm gonna sell my house in town
And I'll be there
To shine in your Japan
To sparkle in your China
Yes I'll be there
Bodhisattva

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't think it's so much that God can be wrong, ffm, as it is that the people who believe in him can be. They tend to confuse his infalibility with their own.

 

[lebe0024]

I have zero respect for those who are Religious Zealots. 9-11 only demonstrated what religious zealotry is all about. Whether it's Mohamed Atta or Mr. Paltroll, their Zealotry is a danger to Makind and the Civilized World.

Hmmm... Religious fundamentalism leads to violence and destruction... Nah. Who here is worried of a terrorist attack from the Amish? Why not? There's hardly a more fundamentally religious group out there. It doesn't matter if you're a "fundamentalist" or a "zealot". Rather, the question is, "No matter who you are, what is your fundamental? What are you zealous about?"

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Considering that it can't be proven or disproven by man, the only "religion" that you probably follow is something along the lines of Deep Purple or Steely Dan, right?

I'm a God Damned Atheist. I don't believe in religion

So you don't like music either?? I thought those were two of your favorite bands, IIRC, from other music threads.

nik

 

[Red Dawn]

So you don't like music either?? I thought those were two of your favorite bands, IIRC, from other music threads.

I don't care for Deep Purple at all.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

That goes on the assumption that science, being capable of being wrong, needs to change to correct itself. A religion that follows a god who can be wrong isn't a religion that I would consider; would you!?

This attitude reminds me of the last Indiana Jones movie, in the end, when they have to choose the Holy Grail from a big table loaded with grails. The bad guy chooses the biggest and shinest one, and it ends up killing him. Meanwhile Harrison Ford chooses the the most busted ass wooden cup and it turns out to be the Holy Grail. There's this word, "humility".

 

[BlitzRommel]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

For those who are not religious, and especially for those who are anti-religious, you need to learn to respect the opinions of those who are religious

I have zero respect for those who are Religious Zealots. 9-11 only demonstrated what religious zealotry is all about. Whether it's Mohamed Atta or Mr. Paltroll, their Zealotry is a danger to Makind and the Civilized World.

That's fine and dandy; I'm not fond of religions zealots either, but for those who aren't, lay off on them!

 

[Netopia]

Long time no ramble and rant. I don't have the time I once had for posting, but I'm going to wade into this one at least a little.

Just curious, how long is always, 6000 years, cause if not I was just wondering what he did for trillions of years before there was anything.

Well... since "time" is a created thing, trillions of years didn't pass because there was no time. But it was a trick question! You already knew the answer!

Catholics don't take the Bible seriously, especially not the old testament. Why? Because it wasn't written by God. Anyone who says otherwise is just falling for lies. I mean come on.. think about what the Bible is.

So, out of curiosity, what does it mean when the priest holds up the Bible, kisses it and says "The Word of God" and the people say "Amen"? BTW... when you sit at your computer and type a post, we all know it wasn't YOU that wrote the post, it was your computer! Anyone who thinks the post was written by YOU is just falling for lies! Or... is it possible that even though the INSTRUMENT communicates the message, the author is someone (or something) else?

...of Protestants who don't believe in a literal 6-day creation, why do you not take "This is My Body" literally?

Because the Bible has to be viewed both in context AND in the light of all other Scripture. Taken ONLY in context, you could believe in transubstantiation, but taken with all Scripture it is obvious that it is metaphor.

For example... if the bread and wine WERE actually His body and he broke the bread and poured the wine, why did He need to go to the cross?... His LITERAL body would have already been broken and sacrificed for us as well as His blood being poured out! Even forgetting that, the ongoing "Sacrifice of the Mass" resacrifices Jesus over and over again, breaking his body and pouring his blood thousands of times per day world-wide... yet Jesus on the Cross said:

JN 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

The work was done, the sacrifice made and a way for man to approach God open. The curtain between the Holy of Holies and man was opened for all time. The Bible further says In Romans 6:10 that Jesus died "once for all" , so does Hebrews 7:27 and it points out further that:

Hebrews 7:27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.

I could go on, but you get the point. If you take "this is my body" in light of all other scripture, it is obviously a symbol and not a litteral transubstantiation.

As for the Bible teaching of dinosaurs, How about this from Job, which is the oldest book of the Bible:

JOB 40:15
JOB 40:15 "Look at the behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.

JOB 40:16 What strength he has in his loins,
what power in the muscles of his belly!

JOB 40:17 His tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of his thighs are close-knit.

JOB 40:18 His bones are tubes of bronze,
his limbs like rods of iron.

JOB 40:19 He ranks first among the works of God,
yet his Maker can approach him with his sword.
...

The chapter goes on, but that would be TOO long a post.

BTW, Thomas Jefferson, the one that most people claim wanted a seperation of the church and state was the Superintendant of the public school system in Washington DC... and he demanded that children learn from the Bible and hymnal. Please make that neatly fit into "no religion in school".

Joe

 

[Moonbeam]

Netopia, you are wrong about me knowing the answer. I am quite confused. MrPALCO says that God has always been alive but the world is 6000 years old and some stuff about realms, and now you're saying there was no time. 'Always' as in always been alive, sure sounds like time to me. So was God doing other stuff or was there no time or what? Was time ticking somewhere else before here?