Do you believe that Christians don't believe in evolution?

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Just curious, how long is always, 6000 years, cause if not I was just wondering what he did for trillions of years before there was anything. Knowing could come in handy with all the 'I'm bored' threads we get.

Buwhahaha, Damn you,I just choked on my Starbucks Bold blend

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Just curious, how long is always, 6000 years, cause if not I was just wondering what he did for trillions of years before there was anything. Knowing could come in handy with all the 'I'm bored' threads we get.

God used to play Solitaire before he made the world n stuff. He still enjoys playing cards alot. He comes over to my place every Thursday and plays poker with me and the guys. You really have to watch him - he can be sneaky with his chips.

 

[MrPALCO]

"cause if not I was just wondering what he did for trillions of years before there was anything."



Once again the mistake is made to assume that only the creation that you can "see" is all there is or ever has been.

There are vast realms and communities beyond what you can contact in your present limited body.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: MrPALCO
"cause if not I was just wondering what he did for trillions of years before there was anything."



Once again the mistake is made to assume that only the creation that you can "see" is all there is or ever has been.

There are vast realms and communities beyond what you can contact in your present limited body.

Then of course, they would be in the Bible. The Bible documents the entire God conceived universe, since the beginning of time, with no exageration or flaw.

 

[MrPALCO]

"The Bible documents the entire God conceived universe, since the beginning of time,"




God does not document all things in the Bible that had no beginning.

 

[Josephus]

Mr. Palco, I disagree. The Bible records the history of mans relationship with the Christian God. Viewing it as more than this tends to lead to fundamentalisim and Bible worship (Bibolatry), instead of God worship. The writings are undoubtedly inspired and relate an understanding that does change through time of the writings [2000BCE~100CE]. It is a window through which God can be viewed as countless have throughout history. As soon as we begin to claim complete understanding of God, we are guilty of pride and close the door to further revelation,,,,

 

[MrPALCO]

Josephus,
Kindly quote the words I have written that you disagree with.

 

[Josephus]

Mr. Palco. I do not believe that the Bible is a complete revelation of God or universe, but more a record of man's relationship and understanding. Perhaps I miswrote in disagreeing with you....

If this is my misconception then I should be directing my disagreement with the author of your quote. Christianity requires that we love God with our heart, soul AND mind. In my view that requires reconciling all evidence of the world in my relationship and understanding of God. To do otherwise is less than faithful as it requires checking my mind at the door of the eternal!

 

[MikeO]

Originally posted by: MrPALCO
Evolution is the playground the ignorant go to because they will not take the Truth.


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No, no, you got confused. Bible is the playground for the ignorant who don't understand the fact called evolution and the evidence supporting it. Just thought I'd correct you


"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence." --- Richard Dawkins

 

[xirtam]

Just curious, how long is always, 6000 years, cause if not I was just wondering what he did for trillions of years before there was anything. Knowing could come in handy with all the 'I'm bored' threads we get.

I think time is merely an example of our inability to adequately see the big picture. With God, time means nothing. He doesn't function sequentially, but sees everything as it is... all at once. He has an infinite perspective. Our finite perspective condemns us to view the world sequentially; hence, time is an artificial construct.

If such a being as God exists, the properties of His necessary existence demands that He know the present, past, and future all at once. Neither time nor space would pose hassles for this Being.

If God does not exist, all our argumentation is futile. Logic would have sprung from random chemical misfirings and evolutionary chaotic processes. Your very ability to think will have no meaning. My argument for God is the same argument one has for logic. You cannot logically prove to me why I should believe that reason is a valid deterministic process, because you must use logic to do so to begin with. If I don't accept logic, your reasoning does nothing for me. If I don't have the intuitional awareness to know that it is true, it is futile to discuss it with me. The same is true with God.

If you all want to just run the circle of argumentation, namecalling, flaming, and baiting that these threads typically produce, then keep posting. If you would like to have a reasonable discussion, are actually interested in discussing the issue rather than just neffing, namecalling... if anyone actually cares about the truth, send me an e-mail or a PM. I wouldn't mind discussing my position with a reasonable position, but I've found that these boards typically just draw people who don't think before beginning a name-calling spree.

 

[Moonbeam]

xertam, while I can't make heads or tails of your argument, it does remind me somehow of a story of two monks that were walking along. Monk one said to monk two that everything is an illusion. An elephant in must appeared and charged down on the two men. Monk one ran up a tree but monk two, deep in thought that the universe in an illusion stood his ground. The elephant trampled him. Broken, he looked up in the tree and croaked out, "I thought you said everything was an illusion, why did you run?" Said monk one. "My running up this tree was an illusion too." The notion that my thought is meaningless is meaningless. And look the fruit, it appears to be banana. Have one please.

 

My post isn't really about evolution, but about acceptance.

In my experiences, I've seen Christians argue until they're blue in the face about topics such as evolution and the existence of a Christian God. However, while I and many other non-Christians accept the fact that there are MANY divergent opinions on the topics, many Christians simply cannot accept other ideas as valid IDEAS and simply reject them because they know the "Truth."

My point: the Christian Truth is not my truth. My truth is in the world. It's in everything I see and do each day, and I don't feel the need to refer to any higher being when I have tough questions about life and about the universe. I do NOT, however, refute the existence of God. I'm really not sure about whether a God exists or not, but I feel that if there is a God, I will find out at the time that's appropriate for me. I accept the Christian Truth as a valid argument to explaining the mysteries of the world but I do not BELIEVE the Christian Truth.

And, by the way - I was raised in a Jewish household, if that makes any difference .

 

[MrPALCO]

"Our finite perspective condemns us to view the world sequentially; hence, time is an artificial construct."
----- xirtam.


God said: "My thoughts are higher than your thoughts, my ways are higher than your ways"


My suggestion is to cut loose of your "finite perspective" and think like God thinks.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: MrPALCO
"Our finite perspective condemns us to view the world sequentially; hence, time is an artificial construct."
----- xirtam.


God said: "My thoughts are higher than your thoughts, my ways are higher than your ways"


My suggestion is to cut loose of your "finite perspective" and think like God thinks.

I'm sure that I'm not the only one thinking this. Can you at least ONCE make some sense in one of your replies? You seem to always take one snippet of a post and then mangle what the author intended and write an obscure response that doesn't help your cause at all.

So I suppose you have cut loose of your "finite perspective"? So you can see the past, present, and future all at once just like your god?

 

[jaydee]

JayDee

Most come from Kent Hovind's Creation Seminar series....

Only another Whackjob would believe that Whackjob.

Wow, Reddawn. The astonishing insight you put into that post just overwhelms me.

Would someone PLEASE explain why the Bible is taken as the absolute truth? Like I said before, it's not a magical book, but a collection of writings from many people.
How do you know someone didn't write about evolution and that scroll was never found??

Recorded by man, but inspired by God. That is what seperates it as absolute truth.

If you really feel that the bible is absolute truth, why does it contradict itself? How can God change his character and his law from the time of the Old Testament to the New Testament?

A post like this only makes yourself look foolish. The Bible doesn't contradict itself, and it's pretty clear the transformation from Old to New Testament if you attempt to understand it, instead of spouting off on what you clearly don't have any idea on.

Who did the Catholic Church imprison for saying the earth was round? That was Galileo. And they extrapolated from biblical stories that the earth was flat. Creationists are doing the same thing, but like the Bible says, you can only see the plank(?) in others' eyes, not your own.

So by your logic, I guess it's safe to say that all muslims are terrorists right?

 

[docmanhattan]

Originally posted by: istallion
f by 'firmly in one camp' you mean religous zealots, it doesn't really matter. No amount of rational discussion would ever have an effect on them.
OTOH if you mean people who have held a viewpoint for a long time but can examine it objectively, then discussion can be enriching, or lots of trolling and flaming.

don't forget the other camp... anti-religion zealots. No amount of rational discourse would ever sway them either. Just look at Red...

Besides, every stick has two ends and this issue is no exception.

 

[MrPALCO]

"So you can see the past, present, and future all at once just like your god?"
---- DougK62

I see things from Gods perspective.

Seeing the future is easy, just read what God said.

Seeing your future is easy, all I need is a record of your words.

 

[docmanhattan]

Originally posted by: MrPALCO
"So you can see the past, present, and future all at once just like your god?"
---- DougK62

I see things from Gods perspective.

Seeing the future is easy, just read what God said.

Seeing your future is easy, all I need is a record of your words.

Have you heard the phrase, "So spiritually minded that you're of no earthly good?" I mean, it's awesome that you're so solidly rooted, but the way you're coming off is really not an effective way to witness to people. At least not to the those who frequent ATOT.

...just a thought.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: docmanhattan

Originally posted by: istallion
f by 'firmly in one camp' you mean religous zealots, it doesn't really matter. No amount of rational discussion would ever have an effect on them.
OTOH if you mean people who have held a viewpoint for a long time but can examine it objectively, then discussion can be enriching, or lots of trolling and flaming.

don't forget the other camp... anti-religion zealots. No amount of rational discourse would ever sway them either. Just look at Red...

Besides, every stick has two ends and this issue is no exception.

There's a difference between being comfortable in your beliefs (atheism, religious, agnostic, etc) and being completely tyrannical.

If a person is comfortable in his or her atheism, who are you to attempt to persuade or dissuade them?

 

[docmanhattan]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: docmanhattan

Originally posted by: istallion
f by 'firmly in one camp' you mean religous zealots, it doesn't really matter. No amount of rational discussion would ever have an effect on them.
OTOH if you mean people who have held a viewpoint for a long time but can examine it objectively, then discussion can be enriching, or lots of trolling and flaming.

don't forget the other camp... anti-religion zealots. No amount of rational discourse would ever sway them either. Just look at Red...

Besides, every stick has two ends and this issue is no exception.

There's a difference between being comfortable in your beliefs (atheism, religious, agnostic, etc) and being completely tyrannical.

If a person is comfortable in his or her atheism, who are you to attempt to persuade or dissuade them?

you miss my point. i'm just saying that it goes both ways.

who are you to tell a Christian their beliefs are wrong?

two way street. two ends to a stick. two sides to a story. whatever.

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: MrPALCO
"So you can see the past, present, and future all at once just like your god?"
---- DougK62

I see things from Gods perspective.

Seeing the future is easy, just read what God said.

Seeing your future is easy, all I need is a record of your words.

maybe you should think about seeing things from a therapists perspective

 

[Red Dawn]

Paltroll

Seeing your future is easy, all I need is a record of your words.

Keep in mind folks; this lunatic has spoken in the past of a Theocracy overthrowing our current government.

 

[MrPALCO]

I thank God for the United States of America.

It is this Nation that was established in covenant with God in the Mayflower Covenant and added to in the Constitution.

As God?s Nation, the USA is a giver of peace to the peaceful and an invincible foe to any outlaw Nation that seeks to disturb world freedom.

The USA is currently established under God.

Soon God will reign over this Nation in bodily form from Jerusalem.

That reign will be in Love and peace.

 

[Red Dawn]

See I told you he was a lunatic!

 

[MikeO]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
See I told you he was a lunatic!

Lunatic? Such a mild word to describe Mr. Paltroll