I don't because I'm one of those asshats who needs physical/scientific proof for everything and anything. The only reason I believe that there are ET's, because the scientific probability that we're the only living organisms in this universe is so little that there's a MUCH greated probability that something/someone else is out there.
BrokenVisage
Lifer
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There's only one all powerful force in the universe and science has already discovered it; Gravity.
It created the Sun, planets, and the stars in the sky, it just needs a lot of time to do it.
It's nice to think there's an actual God running heaven with pearly gates waiting for us when we die, but please..
The theory of a God or god-like dieties was born from the concepts in religions.
And since any religion is just a metaphor of life, it shouldn't be taken seriously.
I'm not here to tell anyone their wrong but this is how I see things, I can't just pretend to believe in a force with a conscious.
It created the Sun, planets, and the stars in the sky, it just needs a lot of time to do it.
It's nice to think there's an actual God running heaven with pearly gates waiting for us when we die, but please..
The theory of a God or god-like dieties was born from the concepts in religions.
And since any religion is just a metaphor of life, it shouldn't be taken seriously.
I'm not here to tell anyone their wrong but this is how I see things, I can't just pretend to believe in a force with a conscious.
Fritzo
Lifer
- Jan 3, 2001
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Try this:
What created life? - complex chemical reactions
What created those reactions? - physics
What created the laws of physics? - Since there seems to be no cause of physics, the rules are all "preset", they must have been designed. There you have God.
Originally posted by: apoppin
A lot of christians are UNItarian
So where does Jesus fall in line here? Or the Holy Spirit?
No physics is created by existance. You can potentially have any number of different "physics". Once you have existance you have relationships between whatever makes up that existance.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: apoppin
A lot of christians are UNItarian
So where does Jesus fall in line here? Or the Holy Spirit?
Jesus would be Yahweh's son . . . the Holy Spirit is an "active force" (in Greek it is a "neuter")
Unitarians believe as the Jews and Islam . . . there is ONE god (the father)
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to the "believers": What was BEFORE god? Who created him? Where did he "come" from?
Same speculative nonsense
:roll:
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: apoppin
A lot of christians are UNItarian
So where does Jesus fall in line here? Or the Holy Spirit?
Jesus would be Yahweh's son . . . the Holy Spirit is an "active force" (in Greek it is a "neuter")
Unitarians believe as the Jews and Islam . . . there is ONE god (the father)
True, but you said a lot of Christians have Unitarian beliefs, and I don't see how that's true.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: apoppin
A lot of christians are UNItarian
So where does Jesus fall in line here? Or the Holy Spirit?
Jesus would be Yahweh's son . . . the Holy Spirit is an "active force" (in Greek it is a "neuter")
Unitarians believe as the Jews and Islam . . . there is ONE god (the father)
True, but you said a lot of Christians have Unitarian beliefs, and I don't see how that's true.
well, that's what YOUR bible teaches . . . there is zero to minimal support for the 3-in-1 theory in the bible . . . the idea of the Trinity comes straight out of ancient pagan beliefs.
Most gods in Pagan religions come in threes . . . just like the trinity . . .
there is a reason it is called a "mystery"
:roll:
(it makes no sense and breaks tradition with judaism of which christianity is an offshoot)
A flamefest... how unconventional. Relax people. Put your flamethrowers down and step away from flamebait. It's almost time to go to sleep and you're still arguing. Give it a rest.
apoppin
Lifer
a flamefest would include things like . . .
'You're a moron'
. . . it hasn't deteriorated yet . . . quit your complaining . . . . it's a pretty simple exercise, really - explaining "why' you believe in a "higher being" or not.
:roll:
Do I believe in one? No
Do I think one may exist? Who knows. I don't particularly care either.
And that's what it means to be agnostic.
Do I think one may exist? Who knows. I don't particularly care either.
And that's what it means to be agnostic.
golden example of somebody falling back on their religion because they don't have another answer for it. *sigh*
thank you for pointing out that you believe in your religion because you're a chicken sh*t. you're scared that if you're an atheist and you're wrong you'll go to hell, but if you're a christian and you're wrong nothing will happen.
that also shows how insincere your faith is.
Well, someone certainly enjoys judging others... Did I say "My faith is based completely on fear"? Not at all! I asked one specific question to try to generate some conversation. I don't know why you stopped jackin off long enough to type, but I wish you hadn't.
I don't know why I bother posting in these threads since there are so many asshats here that just want to flame others. They couldn't carry on a civilized, intellectual conversation if their lives depended on it...
It has nothing to do with fear. It was simply one question about how one uses their free will and what the ultimate consequences are for that decision.
i didnt say you SAID you have your faith through fear, but it was definitely implied through your post when you said "what's the worse that can happen if a christian is wrong? and what's the worse that can happen when an atheist is wrong?" obviously you shouldn't even be balancing those two in order to rationalize which one to go with. you go with one or the other because of faith or proof, something you obviously LACK seeing that you're doing it by being on the "safe" side. tsk tsk. i hope you enjoy living your life by a set of rules in fear
Agreed, I can't understand wanting to believe in what's safest rather than in what you feel is the truth. Santa Claus is a nice idea, beats poverty during the holidays - you believe in him too?
Gunslinger08
Lifer
- Nov 18, 2001
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Jews and Christians have a drastically different view on just about everything.
Christians:
Possible to have a personal relationship with God, through Jesus (because he was mortal and God at the same time).
Old Testament was metaphorical (for most denominations.. not all).
No matter what you do, you can still be saved, if you just ask forgiveness (unless you're Catholic and believe in the seven deadly sins).
Jews:
Conformity. Much more "religion" and "tradition."
Not evangelical (this is changing though).
Old Testament is Truth, word for word, as are newer "oral laws" which comment on the OT.
Sin is a bigger deal, and harder to deal with/repent.
Christians:
Possible to have a personal relationship with God, through Jesus (because he was mortal and God at the same time).
Old Testament was metaphorical (for most denominations.. not all).
No matter what you do, you can still be saved, if you just ask forgiveness (unless you're Catholic and believe in the seven deadly sins).
Jews:
Conformity. Much more "religion" and "tradition."
Not evangelical (this is changing though).
Old Testament is Truth, word for word, as are newer "oral laws" which comment on the OT.
Sin is a bigger deal, and harder to deal with/repent.
apoppin
Lifer
HardcoreRobot
Lifer
- Nov 7, 2000
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