Do you admit you're a partisan?

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Underclocked
Both major parties were fairly respectable at one time. Those days are long ago now. I belong to no party but tend to favor Republicans as generally the lesser of two evils. The minor parties rarely offer any real hope. We need a strong third party based upon Americanism and the Constitution... one that would ascribe to the same ideals that were so well laid out for us by the founders and so often shamelessly ignored by our politicians.

We also need a more common code of morality in this country... one size fits all. We no longer are a melting pot, more a molten splatter.

Really - how long ago? Can you give an example of a period when the parties were respectable? We wish they were but I think this is being romantic - they've always been full of self-serving dirty tricksters with varying degrees of unmitigated gall.

Second: Huh? The reason people are partisan is the result of morals? Does not compute.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
AT P&N seems to be majority partisan. A few moderates out there that are not that vocal.

I am certainly conservative (specifically, a paleoconservative). However, I have voted Democrat over 90% of the time (local, state and federal) throughout my voting history and consider myself a Conservative Democrat. Take it, most of the Democrats that I vote for are usually at least center-right.

How do like being in the minority here amongst all the rabid insane Limbaugh, Hannity and Levin loving Republicans?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Underclocked

I belong to no party but tend to favor Republicans as generally the lesser of two evils.

BULLSHIT

Your sentence is a contradiction in itself you fucking wuss.

Just say your a fucking Republican

and your from Missiouri, of course your a Republican what's with being so fucking afraid to admit it?

Says the guy from OK, where Only one in four Oklahoma public high school students can name the first President of the United States.

lol

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Underclocked

I belong to no party but tend to favor Republicans as generally the lesser of two evils.

BULLSHIT

Your sentence is a contradiction in itself you fucking wuss.

Just say your a fucking Republican

and your from Missiouri, of course your a Republican what's with being so fucking afraid to admit it?

Says the guy from OK, where Only one in four Oklahoma public high school students can name the first President of the United States.

lol

That was lafayette, right?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Underclocked

I belong to no party but tend to favor Republicans as generally the lesser of two evils.

BULLSHIT

Your sentence is a contradiction in itself you fucking wuss.

Just say your a fucking Republican

and your from Missiouri, of course your a Republican what's with being so fucking afraid to admit it?

Says the guy from OK, where Only one in four Oklahoma public high school students can name the first President of the United States.

lol

Run away little asshole, everyone including you know I am not from Oklahoma.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Underclocked

I belong to no party but tend to favor Republicans as generally the lesser of two evils.

BULLSHIT

Your sentence is a contradiction in itself you fucking wuss.

Just say your a fucking Republican

and your from Missiouri, of course your a Republican what's with being so fucking afraid to admit it?

Says the guy from OK, where Only one in four Oklahoma public high school students can name the first President of the United States.

lol

Run away little asshole, everyone including you know I am not from Oklahoma.

We know. You crashed in Roswell, NM... its the only logical explanation.

 

[Possessed Freak]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Underclocked

I belong to no party but tend to favor Republicans as generally the lesser of two evils.

BULLSHIT

Your sentence is a contradiction in itself you fucking wuss.

Just say your a fucking Republican

and your from Missiouri, of course your a Republican what's with being so fucking afraid to admit it?

Says the guy from OK, where Only one in four Oklahoma public high school students can name the first President of the United States.

lol

Run away little asshole, everyone including you know I am not from Oklahoma.

We know. You crashed in Roswell, NM... its the only logical explanation.

Logic can never explain dmcowen's existence.

 

[manowar821]

Political parties are like high-school cliques, but rather than forming semi-naturally, they're guided along.

I also don't believe that "most people are fairly open to examining issues and making decisions" as a previous poster had claimed.

 

[Underclocked]

dmcowen674, your comments on this forum prove the kind of person you are... a complete waste of oxygen.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Underclocked

I belong to no party but tend to favor Republicans as generally the lesser of two evils.

BULLSHIT

Your sentence is a contradiction in itself you fucking wuss.

Just say your a fucking Republican

and your from Missiouri, of course your a Republican what's with being so fucking afraid to admit it?

Says the guy from OK, where Only one in four Oklahoma public high school students can name the first President of the United States.

lol

Just so you know, it appears quite likely that the poll you are referencing is fraudulant.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Underclocked
Both major parties were fairly respectable at one time. Those days are long ago now. I belong to no party but tend to favor Republicans as generally the lesser of two evils. The minor parties rarely offer any real hope. We need a strong third party based upon Americanism and the Constitution... one that would ascribe to the same ideals that were so well laid out for us by the founders and so often shamelessly ignored by our politicians.

We also need a more common code of morality in this country... one size fits all. We no longer are a melting pot, more a molten splatter.

Three questions for you:
1.) At what time do you think both major parties were fairly respectable?
2.) What parts of the Constitution do you believe are being ignored?
3.) What ideals do you believe were laid out for us by the founders, and what are you basing this on?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Yes.

Fixed :laugh:

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Political parties are like high-school cliques, but rather than forming semi-naturally, they're guided along.
...

Very interesting slant. Simple and yet it's the best explanation I've seen so far.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: EXman

Due to my lack of partisanship I didn't vote in the Presidential election. I don't want to hold my nose when voting. Strategic or not when you vote D or R you give them a vote and that promotes that parties agenda including that person being voted for 100% partisanship while in office.

"Even if you vote for the lesser of two evils, you're still voting for evil."

 

[lokiju]

You know after watching the Rush interview on Leno last week and he said something along the lines of "why should I have to give up my view while you get to keep yours?" to Leno, it was as clear as ever that everyone has their opinion and they want to feel justified in that thought no matter what, usually.

Leno wanted to hold onto his point of view while asking Rush to give on his and the reverse was true for Rush to Leno and I see that as the real problem with most people out there that are so partisan that they cannot even begin to look at the other side from a 3rd person perspective.

I tend to try and put myself into the shoes of "the other side" as in whatever I'm in disagreement with at the time and try to see things from their POV. Sometimes it just doesn't change my opinion, but often times it does.

Whats really clear to me is as Americans/individuals we all really want mostly the same things out of life, it's just the most vocal minority of either side that seem to be the most polarizing.

IMO both parts only goal is to maximize and increase this wedge that exist only to continue their power and control, it's not about whats best for us or the nation or the world, just all about power anymore.

There was a point and time in this country when that was not always the case, I think...

 

[Ausm]

I think think simply put Washington needs an enema especially Congress.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: lokiju
You know after watching the Rush interview on Leno last week and he said something along the lines of "why should I have to give up my view while you get to keep yours?" to Leno, it was as clear as ever that everyone has their opinion and they want to feel justified in that thought no matter what, usually.

Leno wanted to hold onto his point of view while asking Rush to give on his and the reverse was true for Rush to Leno and I see that as the real problem with most people out there that are so partisan that they cannot even begin to look at the other side from a 3rd person perspective.

I tend to try and put myself into the shoes of "the other side" as in whatever I'm in disagreement with at the time and try to see things from their POV. Sometimes it just doesn't change my opinion, but often times it does.

Whats really clear to me is as Americans/individuals we all really want mostly the same things out of life, it's just the most vocal minority of either side that seem to be the most polarizing.

IMO both parts only goal is to maximize and increase this wedge that exist only to continue their power and control, it's not about whats best for us or the nation or the world, just all about power anymore.

There was a point and time in this country when that was not always the case, I think...

What point and time do you think that was?

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: spittledip
I am independent. I haven't voted in the last 2 presidential elections b/c I couldn't decide what candidate to vote for b/c I disagreed with too many positions on both sides and could not determine which was the better of 2 evils.

Wow.

I don't think our elections get a lot clearer on the choice than the last two elections.

Yup, they were crystal clear -- both candidates were worthless, one a little more than the other.

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: lokiju
You know after watching the Rush interview on Leno last week and he said something along the lines of "why should I have to give up my view while you get to keep yours?" to Leno, it was as clear as ever that everyone has their opinion and they want to feel justified in that thought no matter what, usually.

Leno wanted to hold onto his point of view while asking Rush to give on his and the reverse was true for Rush to Leno and I see that as the real problem with most people out there that are so partisan that they cannot even begin to look at the other side from a 3rd person perspective.

I tend to try and put myself into the shoes of "the other side" as in whatever I'm in disagreement with at the time and try to see things from their POV. Sometimes it just doesn't change my opinion, but often times it does.

Whats really clear to me is as Americans/individuals we all really want mostly the same things out of life, it's just the most vocal minority of either side that seem to be the most polarizing.

IMO both parts only goal is to maximize and increase this wedge that exist only to continue their power and control, it's not about whats best for us or the nation or the world, just all about power anymore.

There was a point and time in this country when that was not always the case, I think...

What point and time do you think that was?

Maybe I should have put "I hope".

Really it's hard to say what if any time was really ideal or less of what we have now since it's all skewed through the eyes of those that wrote the history...

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
and your from Missiouri, of course your a Republican what's with being so fucking afraid to admit it?

You know Missouri is one of the most evenly split states in the country right?

Tie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...tion_in_Missouri,_2008
McCain: 49.43
Obama: 49.29

Rep
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...tion_in_Missouri,_2004
Bush: 55.3
Kerry: 46.1

Rep
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...tion_in_Missouri,_2000
Bush: 50.4
Gore: 47.1

Dem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...tion_in_Missouri,_1996
Clinton: 47.5
Dole: 41.2

Dem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...tion_in_Missouri,_1992
Clinton: 44.07
Bush: 33.92

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
and your from Missiouri, of course your a Republican what's with being so fucking afraid to admit it?

You know Missouri is one of the most evenly split states in the country right?

Tie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...tion_in_Missouri,_2008
McCain: 49.43
Obama: 49.29

Rep
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...tion_in_Missouri,_2004
Bush: 55.3
Kerry: 46.1

Rep
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...tion_in_Missouri,_2000
Bush: 50.4
Gore: 47.1

Dem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...tion_in_Missouri,_1996
Clinton: 47.5
Dole: 41.2

Dem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...tion_in_Missouri,_1992
Clinton: 44.07
Bush: 33.92

In fact it's so evenly split that it has voted with the winner in every single presidential election in the last century but 2. (2008 being #2!) As goes Missouri, so goes the nation. (92% of the time at least)

You're talking to Dave though, he's the guy that thought McCain had such an insurmountable lead that he didn't even need to campaign... all the way up to his epic ass kicking. He's the guy that thought McCain was going to go to Hawaii. (Obama ended up winning the state by forty-seven points)

I know that Dave has been banned many times before, but someone keeps letting him back. I wish they would stop.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
...
You're talking to Dave though, he's the guy that thought McCain had such an insurmountable lead that he didn't even need to campaign...

I remember the last few weeks of the campaign when quite a few people were worried that, with obama seemingly so far ahead, people would get complacent and not get out to vote for him. I always hoped that dave, even though contrary to his real opinion, was issuing this opinion in the hopes that people would pay attention to the goal line and not the 10 or 20 yard line.