Do you admit you're a partisan?

[sandorski]

Somewhat, didn't answer second question because I dunno. It's hard to quantify the second question because a few Partisans on both sides make a Bulk of the Posts. They often Post in such a way that draws out people on both sides to object to their inane opinions.

 

[SirStev0]

Somewhat is such a cop out and 75% is as well. You won't put 100% because that would admit you too are partisan.

Like I said in another post 99% of the posts/posters on here are absolutely partisan, willing to defend any ideal (or completely throw them away, if the greater good demanded it). Now there are varying levels, as everyone isn't as militantly partisan as people like phoxus, projohn, fearnoevil, and whoever winnar is posting as (my money is on barry). It is the reason why we get such entertaining threads and derailments of threads. It is also why you can see people defending the most absurdly horrible things just to toe the party line.

I will honestly admit it that on most of the major issues I am very inline with the "ideals" of the demo party. I say "ideals" because at the current time I am very disillusioned with the do nothing congress and politics in general and therefore also very critical of the current assclowns seated. I am hoping that Obama will man up and start kicking ass any moment. With all that said, just as a for instance, I am very pro-gun, however, I have a huge disdain for asshole irresponsible gun owners who ruin ownership for everyone and believe that gun control is absolutely necessary to keep these dickwads and their wang enhancements under control. I have my own ideas and feels but for the most part they are inline with what I believe to be the main points of the demo party.

 

[Chaotic42]

I don't think so. I try to keep an open mind, but it's difficult to separate what you want from what is good for the most people. Sometimes I fail to keep those things in perspective.

 

[spittledip]

I am independent. I haven't voted in the last 2 presidential elections b/c I couldn't decide what candidate to vote for b/c I disagreed with too many positions on both sides and could not determine which was the better of 2 evils. I agree with views on both sides but disagree with too many views on both sides to pick a side. I have been called liberal on this forum b/c of some of my views, but I hold some views that are very much in line with conservatives. I really don't fit in on either side. I can very confidently say I am partisan b/c I will never agree with an idea based upon what party is throwing it, I only agree/disagree based upon the idea itself. I have even changed my mind when people have pointed out certain things on this board. No, I am not a partisan, sorry.

 

[jpeyton]

Yes.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Are you always on the same side of the debate as your party? Is the other party always wrong?

Do you think P&N is made up primarily of partisan "hacks" as some people call them?

I'll start:

I'm not a partisan. I like certain policies of both parties. I think about 50% of P&N posters are pretty much toeing one of the party lines.

I'm somewhat partisan. I'll agree with the Democrats on social programs, civil rights, science, and education, but disagree with them on their war and health care policies. They support too much war, a bloated military, and are whores for the health insurance companies.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Yes.

lol

 

[heyheybooboo]

What am I ??

I prefer effective and efficient governance and oversight that functions in a productive manner.

My perception (no offense) is that ATP&N seems to have a high proportion of folks that think any governance is bad (and a fair number of posters - we know who you are - who will never miss any opportunity to flood the board with obfuscating propaganda and outright lies).

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: JS80
Yes, 100%

By not being partisan you're giving away your vote to the other team.

this mentality is what's wrong w/ politics in the us today

 

[nageov3t]

I'd like to think that I'm not... I tend to be overly critical of whoever's in power.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: alchemize
I'm not partisan, but I definitely like to argue with leftie partisans (the bigger the hack, the better) which probably makes me look partisan.

OMG, I just had to quote that for posterity.

 

[nobodyknows]

Interesting poll results. 48% don't consider tyhemselves to be partisian but 86% consider at least 75% of P&N to be partisian.

 

[Elias824]

I remember talking to one of my friends during the election, I dont remember what I was talking to him about but he was saying something about what obama wanted to do, and then I told him somthing that mccain said on the same subject that I thought he might agree with. He kind of blew it off and said something like "yeah like that will ever happen", and I asked why he didnt believe that it would ever happen. His response was simply that he didnt trust mccain, now I guess you could say he just didnt like the candidate but I think it goes deeper then that. (We would debate about mccain and obama quite abit, but we both voted 3rd party in the end.)
I think alot of people just understand the viewpoints and the people in their chosen party better. They just simply trust and belive them because well they just do. Even if the other guy makes a decent argument its like rooting for the other sports team it just goes against what you know.

 

[Double Trouble]

I define a partisan as someone who sides with the party or a politician line rather than considering each issue on it's own merits. Most people fall in that category. They will support a position or an idea if it comes from "their" side, and oppose the same idea if it comes from the "other" side. Personally I'm fiscally conservative and generally socially liberal, and I don't consider myself partisan. On some things I agree with the repubs, on some with the dems, and on some with neither.

 

[BeauJangles]

No, P&N is fairly representative of the US as a whole. Most people are fairly open to examining issues and making decisions, but there are a small number of folks who radicalize the conversation and take away from meaningful discussion by injecting troll-like posts into what otherwise would be semi-intelligent conversations.

I've found that when you choose to try and find common ground with people here, you usually can. Issues like abortion, taxes, the war, and the economy aren't simple and there are multiple answers on what is 'right' in each case. The key is to focus on what we all can agree on versus what we believe is wrong. Of course, there will never be complete agreement on every issue, but, again, I think that most people here aren't blinded by ideology and can come to at least respect well thought out opinions.

Often what happens here, though, is as a discussion unfolds one or two people will come in and inject inflammatory shit into it. Then everyone responds to the inflammatory stuff, insults get slung around, and nobody wins.

 

[EXman]

Do you consider yourself to be a partisan? (Total Votes: 68)
Yes
16 votes 23.53 (%)
No
32 votes 47.06 (%)
Somewhat
20 votes 29.41 (%)

If you are not partisan you are just wishy washy, not interested in politics, have no moral compass, no principals, fooling yourself because you think partisan is a bad thing, or so clouded in thinking only someone from the other side could be labeled that.

OR there is a possibility that either party has abandonded you forsaking thier core values for a possibility of a few measly votes from wishy washy low principaled "moderates."

People don't click on P&N because they want news or need help deciding tough issues. They do it to zing the guy on the other side for being a baffoon.

<---- I'm Independant because I am too conservative for the republican party aka Democrat lite party. I did not vote for McCain.

<--- my Aunt is Independant because she is a anti-war/greenpeace/communist and Obama has broken promises to her. Did vote for Obama.

I remember telling her how nuclear weapons were not bad when I was 10yo. They are deterrants nothing more. Only a madman would use them in this day and age.
I asked her if she thought guns were bad? she said yes. I then asked her why do policemen carry them. She was pissed and didn't answer.

Politics are partisan by nature.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: EXman

Do you consider yourself to be a partisan? (Total Votes: 68)
Yes
16 votes 23.53 (%)
No
32 votes 47.06 (%)
Somewhat
20 votes 29.41 (%)

If you are not partisan you are just wishy washy, not interested in politics, have no moral compass, no principals, fooling yourself because you think partisan is a bad thing, or so clouded in thinking only someone from the other side could be labeled that.

OR there is a possibility that either party has abandonded you forsaking thier core values for a possibility of a few measly votes from wishy washy low principaled "moderates."

People don't click on P&N because they want news or need help deciding tough issues. They do it to zing the guy on the other side for being a baffoon.

<---- I'm Independant because I am too conservative for the republican party aka Democrat lite party. I did not vote for McCain.

<--- my Aunt is Independant because she is a anti-war/greenpeace/communist and Obama has broken promises to her. Did vote for Obama.

I remember telling her how nuclear weapons were not bad when I was 10yo. They are deterrants nothing more. Only a madman would use them in this day and age.
I asked her if she thought guns were bad? she said yes. I then asked her why do policemen carry them. She was pissed and didn't answer.

Politics are partisan by nature.

You know that guns can be bad in the aggregate and police can still carry them, right? If your aunt couldn't answer that it makes her look bad, not your argument look good.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: EXman

Do you consider yourself to be a partisan? (Total Votes: 68)
Yes
16 votes 23.53 (%)
No
32 votes 47.06 (%)
Somewhat
20 votes 29.41 (%)

If you are not partisan you are just wishy washy, not interested in politics, have no moral compass, no principals, fooling yourself because you think partisan is a bad thing, or so clouded in thinking only someone from the other side could be labeled that.

OR there is a possibility that either party has abandonded you forsaking thier core values for a possibility of a few measly votes from wishy washy low principaled "moderates."

People don't click on P&N because they want news or need help deciding tough issues. They do it to zing the guy on the other side for being a baffoon.

<---- I'm Independant because I am too conservative for the republican party aka Democrat lite party. I did not vote for McCain.

<--- my Aunt is Independant because she is a anti-war/greenpeace/communist and Obama has broken promises to her. Did vote for Obama.

I remember telling her how nuclear weapons were not bad when I was 10yo. They are deterrants nothing more. Only a madman would use them in this day and age.
I asked her if she thought guns were bad? she said yes. I then asked her why do policemen carry them. She was pissed and didn't answer.

Politics are partisan by nature.

Incorrect. That attitude is the problem, no one needs to be Partisan.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: EXman

Do you consider yourself to be a partisan? (Total Votes: 68)
Yes
16 votes 23.53 (%)
No
32 votes 47.06 (%)
Somewhat
20 votes 29.41 (%)

If you are not partisan you are just wishy washy, not interested in politics, have no moral compass, no principals, fooling yourself because you think partisan is a bad thing, or so clouded in thinking only someone from the other side could be labeled that.

OR there is a possibility that either party has abandonded you forsaking thier core values for a possibility of a few measly votes from wishy washy low principaled "moderates."

People don't click on P&N because they want news or need help deciding tough issues. They do it to zing the guy on the other side for being a baffoon.

<---- I'm Independant because I am too conservative for the republican party aka Democrat lite party. I did not vote for McCain.

<--- my Aunt is Independant because she is a anti-war/greenpeace/communist and Obama has broken promises to her. Did vote for Obama.

I remember telling her how nuclear weapons were not bad when I was 10yo. They are deterrants nothing more. Only a madman would use them in this day and age.
I asked her if she thought guns were bad? she said yes. I then asked her why do policemen carry them. She was pissed and didn't answer.

Politics are partisan by nature.

Incorrect. That attitude is the problem, no one needs to be Partisan.

lol we don't need principles either. Those are cumbersome.

Here is the definition of non-partisan to liberals.

When a republican finally comes around and sees that we were right all along!

I'd say the same thing with republicans but they are so stupid They put McCain up on thier ticket. The Maverick? The sell out is more like it. that was the most left of center candidate on the republican ticket ever. Media darling till he was the nominee.

Each Party is not worried about Truth. The are worried about Power pure and simple.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: EXman

Do you consider yourself to be a partisan? (Total Votes: 68)
Yes
16 votes 23.53 (%)
No
32 votes 47.06 (%)
Somewhat
20 votes 29.41 (%)

If you are not partisan you are just wishy washy, not interested in politics, have no moral compass, no principals, fooling yourself because you think partisan is a bad thing, or so clouded in thinking only someone from the other side could be labeled that.

OR there is a possibility that either party has abandonded you forsaking thier core values for a possibility of a few measly votes from wishy washy low principaled "moderates."

People don't click on P&N because they want news or need help deciding tough issues. They do it to zing the guy on the other side for being a baffoon.

<---- I'm Independant because I am too conservative for the republican party aka Democrat lite party. I did not vote for McCain.

<--- my Aunt is Independant because she is a anti-war/greenpeace/communist and Obama has broken promises to her. Did vote for Obama.

I remember telling her how nuclear weapons were not bad when I was 10yo. They are deterrants nothing more. Only a madman would use them in this day and age.
I asked her if she thought guns were bad? she said yes. I then asked her why do policemen carry them. She was pissed and didn't answer.

Politics are partisan by nature.

Incorrect. That attitude is the problem, no one needs to be Partisan.

lol we don't need principles either. Those are cumbersome.

Here is the definition of non-partisan to liberals.

When a republican finally comes around and sees that we were right all along!

I'd say the same thing with republicans but they are so stupid They put McCain up on thier ticket. The Maverick? The sell out is more like it. that was the most left of center candidate on the republican ticket ever. Media darling till he was the nominee.

Each Party is not worried about Truth. The are worried about Power pure and simple.

Partisanship has absolutely nothing to do with Principles. I suggest you read some Definitions of words before using them.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Are you always on the same side of the debate as your party? Is the other party always wrong?

Do you think P&N is made up primarily of partisan "hacks" as some people call them?

I'll start:

I'm not a partisan. I like certain policies of both parties. I think about 50% of P&N posters are pretty much toeing one of the party lines.

I don't have a party. Any party is always wrong, it's inherent in the party system we have. I oppose parties totally unless a total reformation of structure is undertaken.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: EXman

Do you consider yourself to be a partisan? (Total Votes: 68)
Yes
16 votes 23.53 (%)
No
32 votes 47.06 (%)
Somewhat
20 votes 29.41 (%)

If you are not partisan you are just wishy washy, not interested in politics, have no moral compass, no principals, fooling yourself because you think partisan is a bad thing, or so clouded in thinking only someone from the other side could be labeled that.

OR there is a possibility that either party has abandonded you forsaking thier core values for a possibility of a few measly votes from wishy washy low principaled "moderates."

People don't click on P&N because they want news or need help deciding tough issues. They do it to zing the guy on the other side for being a baffoon.

<---- I'm Independant because I am too conservative for the republican party aka Democrat lite party. I did not vote for McCain.

<--- my Aunt is Independant because she is a anti-war/greenpeace/communist and Obama has broken promises to her. Did vote for Obama.

I remember telling her how nuclear weapons were not bad when I was 10yo. They are deterrants nothing more. Only a madman would use them in this day and age.
I asked her if she thought guns were bad? she said yes. I then asked her why do policemen carry them. She was pissed and didn't answer.

Politics are partisan by nature.

Incorrect. That attitude is the problem, no one needs to be Partisan.

lol we don't need principles either. Those are cumbersome.

Here is the definition of non-partisan to liberals.

When a republican finally comes around and sees that we were right all along!

I'd say the same thing with republicans but they are so stupid They put McCain up on thier ticket. The Maverick? The sell out is more like it. that was the most left of center candidate on the republican ticket ever. Media darling till he was the nominee.

Each Party is not worried about Truth. The are worried about Power pure and simple.

Partisanship has absolutely nothing to do with Principles. I suggest you read some Definitions of words before using them.

yea sure I forgot it has to do with polling data? This is the response that I figured you give though. At least I'm being honest. When do you take a stand against anything that isn't a liberal progressive issue?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Are you always on the same side of the debate as your party? Is the other party always wrong?

Do you think P&N is made up primarily of partisan "hacks" as some people call them?

I'll start:

I'm not a partisan. I like certain policies of both parties. I think about 50% of P&N posters are pretty much toeing one of the party lines.

Shens!

Name any and all republican policies that you have agreed with.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: EXman

Do you consider yourself to be a partisan? (Total Votes: 68)
Yes
16 votes 23.53 (%)
No
32 votes 47.06 (%)
Somewhat
20 votes 29.41 (%)

If you are not partisan you are just wishy washy, not interested in politics, have no moral compass, no principals, fooling yourself because you think partisan is a bad thing, or so clouded in thinking only someone from the other side could be labeled that.

OR there is a possibility that either party has abandonded you forsaking thier core values for a possibility of a few measly votes from wishy washy low principaled "moderates."

People don't click on P&N because they want news or need help deciding tough issues. They do it to zing the guy on the other side for being a baffoon.

<---- I'm Independant because I am too conservative for the republican party aka Democrat lite party. I did not vote for McCain.

<--- my Aunt is Independant because she is a anti-war/greenpeace/communist and Obama has broken promises to her. Did vote for Obama.

I remember telling her how nuclear weapons were not bad when I was 10yo. They are deterrants nothing more. Only a madman would use them in this day and age.
I asked her if she thought guns were bad? she said yes. I then asked her why do policemen carry them. She was pissed and didn't answer.

Politics are partisan by nature.

Incorrect. That attitude is the problem, no one needs to be Partisan.

lol we don't need principles either. Those are cumbersome.

Here is the definition of non-partisan to liberals.

When a republican finally comes around and sees that we were right all along!

I'd say the same thing with republicans but they are so stupid They put McCain up on thier ticket. The Maverick? The sell out is more like it. that was the most left of center candidate on the republican ticket ever. Media darling till he was the nominee.

Each Party is not worried about Truth. The are worried about Power pure and simple.

Partisanship has absolutely nothing to do with Principles. I suggest you read some Definitions of words before using them.

yea sure I forgot it has to do with polling data? This is the response that I figured you give though. At least I'm being honest. When do you take a stand against anything that isn't a liberal progressive issue?

Liberal/Progressive is a Principle. Democrat is Partisanship.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: EXman

Do you consider yourself to be a partisan? (Total Votes: 68)
Yes
16 votes 23.53 (%)
No
32 votes 47.06 (%)
Somewhat
20 votes 29.41 (%)

If you are not partisan you are just wishy washy, not interested in politics, have no moral compass, no principals, fooling yourself because you think partisan is a bad thing, or so clouded in thinking only someone from the other side could be labeled that.

OR there is a possibility that either party has abandonded you forsaking thier core values for a possibility of a few measly votes from wishy washy low principaled "moderates."

People don't click on P&N because they want news or need help deciding tough issues. They do it to zing the guy on the other side for being a baffoon.

<---- I'm Independant because I am too conservative for the republican party aka Democrat lite party. I did not vote for McCain.

<--- my Aunt is Independant because she is a anti-war/greenpeace/communist and Obama has broken promises to her. Did vote for Obama.

I remember telling her how nuclear weapons were not bad when I was 10yo. They are deterrants nothing more. Only a madman would use them in this day and age.
I asked her if she thought guns were bad? she said yes. I then asked her why do policemen carry them. She was pissed and didn't answer.

Politics are partisan by nature.

Incorrect. That attitude is the problem, no one needs to be Partisan.

lol we don't need principles either. Those are cumbersome.

Here is the definition of non-partisan to liberals.

When a republican finally comes around and sees that we were right all along!

I'd say the same thing with republicans but they are so stupid They put McCain up on thier ticket. The Maverick? The sell out is more like it. that was the most left of center candidate on the republican ticket ever. Media darling till he was the nominee.

Each Party is not worried about Truth. The are worried about Power pure and simple.

Partisanship has absolutely nothing to do with Principles. I suggest you read some Definitions of words before using them.

yea sure I forgot it has to do with polling data? This is the response that I figured you give though. At least I'm being honest. When do you take a stand against anything that isn't a liberal progressive issue?

Liberal/Progressive is a Principle. Democrat is Partisanship.

So what in practice on election day happens? When is a green party candidate or a Libertarian candidate going to get elected? Who are the vast amount of liberal/Progressives gonna vote for? They become combined in practice all dictionaries aside. To not admit that is silly.

We all like to think we are not partisan but to some degree whem it comes down to the brass tax people fall into two groups of partisans based on their principles. NO it isn't 100% but on election day, when it counts, it sure is close.