EXman
Lifer
- Jul 12, 2001
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Due to my lack of partisanship I didn't vote in the Presidential election. I don't want to hold my nose when voting. Strategic or not when you vote D or R you give them a vote and that promotes that parties agenda including that person being voted for 100% partisanship while in office.
more ideological than partisan, although with the current line up democrats are vastly superior (or vastly less bad) in most regards.
I really don't think you understand what partisanship is. A partisan is a person who takes the part of or strongly supports one side, party, or person; often, specif., an unreasoning, emotional adherent
Voting for one party that you disagree with on some issues in order to prevent the victory of the party that you disagree with on nearly all issues isn't partisanship, it's strategic voting. People have evaluated the election and decided to attempt to alter the outcome to be most favorable to them out of the possible outcomes.
You can certainly choose not to engage in this type of voting if you don't want to. Having large groups of voters not vote can also influence candidates by forcing them to reconnect with their base, so it's perfectly rational to do what you did as well. The terms you're using don't accurately describe what is going on though.
could the op add a polls asking how many of us are trolls and how many of us we think are trolls?
BoomerD
No Lifer
- Feb 26, 2006
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I often disagree with the party line of the Democrats. Especially in recent years, the liberal fringe lunatics have taken over the party, BUT, in my over 30 years of voting, I have NEVER cast a single vote for a candidate with a (R) behind the name.
This past election however, for the first time ever, I did NOT vote for the Democrat candidate for President. (I voted for a 3rd party candidate for the first time.)
The main reason I've always voted (D) is because of their support for labor and the (R)'s consistent attacks on labor.
I (usually) disagree with the Democrats on gun control, on their enhanced social program support, and on their support of illegal immigration.
About the only thing I agree with the Republicans on is their attempts to do something about illegal immigration, HOWEVER, I belive that it's only for show and to appeal to the masses. The reality is that the corporations who control the Republicans want and need the cheap labor provided by illegals, not only for the illegals who work, but because the increased competition for jobs helps depress the wages of legal residents in the area.
I usually disagree with almost everything that is spewed out of the Libertarian candidate's mouth.
This past election however, for the first time ever, I did NOT vote for the Democrat candidate for President. (I voted for a 3rd party candidate for the first time.)
The main reason I've always voted (D) is because of their support for labor and the (R)'s consistent attacks on labor.
I (usually) disagree with the Democrats on gun control, on their enhanced social program support, and on their support of illegal immigration.
About the only thing I agree with the Republicans on is their attempts to do something about illegal immigration, HOWEVER, I belive that it's only for show and to appeal to the masses. The reality is that the corporations who control the Republicans want and need the cheap labor provided by illegals, not only for the illegals who work, but because the increased competition for jobs helps depress the wages of legal residents in the area.
I usually disagree with almost everything that is spewed out of the Libertarian candidate's mouth.
sandorski
No Lifer
- Oct 10, 1999
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You miss the point. Partisanship is following a Party no matter what they do. Voting for a Party because they claim a position of Principle in agreement with your Principles is how you choose whom to Vote for. There's a difference, whether you see it or not.
ConstipatedVigilante
Diamond Member
- Feb 22, 2006
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I hate conservative fundies who oppose stem cell research because it "kills babies."
I hate liberals who want to take away everybody's money and give it to the welfare queens.
I hate stupidity, and both parties exhibit it regularly. I do tend to lean more towards the conservative side though, since they tend to look at things from a more logical, historical perspective than the humanitarian rainbow liberals.
I hate liberals who want to take away everybody's money and give it to the welfare queens.
I hate stupidity, and both parties exhibit it regularly. I do tend to lean more towards the conservative side though, since they tend to look at things from a more logical, historical perspective than the humanitarian rainbow liberals.
I think it's worth looking at the numbers in Congress.
99% of the members of the House of Representatives vote with their party over three-fourths of the time. 97% vote with their party over four-fifths of the time.
http://projects.washingtonpost...11/house/party-voters/
So, if you support your party's platform, picking your Representative based on party isn't a ridiculous shortcut...
Spoken like a blind man describing a painting. The pervasiveness fo the mythology of 'liberalism' as spread to the masses by the right is amazing, like a bad virus.
Having voted for 3 different parties in the 3 times I voted for presidents, I think I can say no.
At local and state level I have voted for the challenger to the incumbent regardless of party (I believe my state, county, and local are a mess and just want a change).
At local and state level I have voted for the challenger to the incumbent regardless of party (I believe my state, county, and local are a mess and just want a change).
Schadenfroh
Elite Member
- Mar 8, 2003
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AT P&N seems to be majority partisan. A few moderates out there that are not that vocal.
I am certainly conservative (specifically, a paleoconservative). However, I have voted Democrat over 90% of the time (local, state and federal) throughout my voting history and consider myself a Conservative Democrat. Take it, most of the Democrats that I vote for are usually at least center-right.
I am certainly conservative (specifically, a paleoconservative). However, I have voted Democrat over 90% of the time (local, state and federal) throughout my voting history and consider myself a Conservative Democrat. Take it, most of the Democrats that I vote for are usually at least center-right.
Sorry bubba. Wish as you may, you're one of the most consistently partisan here. Not necessarily in a vicious way, though. You need to step outside of yourself once in a while.
This. I couldn't answer the poll since I'm mostly anti-republican anti-partisan. To be partisan is to put one's ignorance in public view. Any party that has slogans of the form "xxx first", such as "country first", consists of liars. Their unstated prime directive is "party first".
shortylickens
No Lifer
- Jul 15, 2003
- 80,287
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Yes.
I am hardcore libertarian.
Since we're the only ones who make sense, we frequently find ourselves having ridiculous pissing contests with Republicans and Democrats.
I am hardcore libertarian.
Since we're the only ones who make sense, we frequently find ourselves having ridiculous pissing contests with Republicans and Democrats.
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
- Jan 26, 2000
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PJABBER
Diamond Member
- Feb 8, 2001
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Issue and individual politician focus only, not identifying with any political party.
I am wondering if anyone has ever read George Washington's 1796 farewell address to the nation on the occasion of his leaving the office of President? It is really worth reading in the entirety, but it is amazing in its caution against political parties and any expansion of the power of government.
Washington's Farewell Address
20 I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the state, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally.
21 This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
22 The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.
23 Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
24 It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
25 There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And, there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.
26 It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution, in those intrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power, and proneness to abuse it, which predominates in the human heart, is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position. The necessity of reciprocal checks in the exercise of political power, by dividing and distributing it into different depositories, and constituting each the Guardian of the Public Weal against invasions by the others, has been evinced by experiments ancient and modern; some of them in our country and under our own eyes. To preserve them must be as necessary as to institute them. If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way, which the constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for, though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield.
I am wondering if anyone has ever read George Washington's 1796 farewell address to the nation on the occasion of his leaving the office of President? It is really worth reading in the entirety, but it is amazing in its caution against political parties and any expansion of the power of government.
Washington's Farewell Address
20 I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the state, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally.
21 This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
22 The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.
23 Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
24 It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
25 There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And, there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.
26 It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution, in those intrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power, and proneness to abuse it, which predominates in the human heart, is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position. The necessity of reciprocal checks in the exercise of political power, by dividing and distributing it into different depositories, and constituting each the Guardian of the Public Weal against invasions by the others, has been evinced by experiments ancient and modern; some of them in our country and under our own eyes. To preserve them must be as necessary as to institute them. If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way, which the constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for, though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield.
That would be the ideal definition - to support and defend a particular party without question. But always attempting to debunk things said about one party and never about another party certainly smells like partisanship. To defend a party and it's candidates but not agree with the policies is ... odd.
Both major parties were fairly respectable at one time. Those days are long ago now. I belong to no party but tend to favor Republicans as generally the lesser of two evils. The minor parties rarely offer any real hope. We need a strong third party based upon Americanism and the Constitution... one that would ascribe to the same ideals that were so well laid out for us by the founders and so often shamelessly ignored by our politicians.
We also need a more common code of morality in this country... one size fits all. We no longer are a melting pot, more a molten splatter.
We also need a more common code of morality in this country... one size fits all. We no longer are a melting pot, more a molten splatter.
BULLSHIT
Your sentence is a contradiction in itself you fucking wuss.
Just say your a fucking Republican
and your from Missiouri, of course your a Republican what's with being so fucking afraid to admit it?
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