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Lifer
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Originally posted by: HomeAppraiser
"I'm not safe anymore," said Olivares, who has been in the country 14 years.
Well then, be here legally. I am sorry that they took 100/month for legal fees out of his check, but come on why is it so hard to be here legally? There seem to be plenty of others who do.

That's what they were trying to do.
 

Zedtom

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I am not sympathetic to illegal aliens who are taken advantage of by their employers. The rules of the game involve illegal activity from the start, and everyone involved is taking a risk. When a large company is raided by the ICE agents, they usually claim innocence and declare that the employees are contract labor actually working for someone else.

Wendy's lawyers will play all the angles and drag things out. The strange thing is- both Wendys and illegals will still be working together. These people want the work, and Wendys has the jobs. Most of their employees could care less about a lawsuit.

Oh, by the way, when you order at my local Wendys, they repeat your order in Spanish so that the crew knows what to prepare.
 

JRich

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Originally posted by: killface
Originally posted by: MisterJackson
It doesn't matter if it sucks or not, they have no rights here.
Sweet! I'm off to trap and kill me some illegals!

Then you've just commited a crime :disgust:

 

T9D

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I feel bad for them. But then I remember..... man 9 years of them not paying taxes and having us cover them living here with our taxes that we pay.

Oregon has 175,000 Illegal immigrants. Man thats sickening. That's a crapload of money needed to cover them being here.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: tk109
I feel bad for them. But then I remember..... man 9 years of them not paying taxes and having us cover them living here with our taxes that we pay.

actually most do pay taxes. if they work for a place like wendy's anyway
 

DrPizza

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Wow, some of you don't quite comprehend this...

They were here legally and were participating in a program where they worked until they gained their citizenship.
Wendy's/their lawyers dropped the ball and their program expired before they became legal citizens, because the lawyers didn't file their paperwork on time. It wasn't until this point that they became "illegals."

They deserve to win this lawsuit.
 

T9D

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: tk109
I feel bad for them. But then I remember..... man 9 years of them not paying taxes and having us cover them living here with our taxes that we pay.

actually most do pay taxes. if they work for a place like wendy's anyway

I'd imagine all they have to do is claim like 3 dependents so no taxes are taken out. Then just not file.
 

slsmnaz

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Wow, some of you don't quite comprehend this...

They were here legally and were participating in a program where they worked until they gained their citizenship.
Wendy's/their lawyers dropped the ball and their program expired before they became legal citizens, because the lawyers didn't file their paperwork on time. It wasn't until this point that they became "illegals."

They deserve to win this lawsuit.

So you sue Wendy's for firing them when it's mandated by law? Sue the law firm because it was their responsibility but not Wendy's for doing what was necessary. The same people backing the illegals are the ones that would be bashing Wendy's if they had been busted for employing them.

This is why the guest worker/sponsored worker programs won't work:

Attorneys for Olivares said the company deducted $25 from his weekly paycheck of $313.20 for 4 1/2 years to cover legal fees associated with the program. With the rest of his paycheck, Olivares said he helped support his sister, her two daughters and his ill mother in Mexico City.

They are learning how America works the hard way by getting screwed over by this. I bet they will learn the term "CYA" in the future.
 

Gooberlx2

Lifer
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Are they really "illegal" immigrants if Wendy's was sponsoring them? I mean..seems like a misuse of the word.
 

slsmnaz

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Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Are they really "illegal" immigrants if Wendy's was sponsoring them? Did they perhaps have work visas which expired?

Does an expired visa not mean they are in the country illegaly?
 

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Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Are they really "illegal" immigrants if Wendy's was sponsoring them? I mean..seems like a misuse of the word.

Read the post by DrPizza.
 

Spacehead

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Wow, some of you don't quite comprehend this...

They were here legally and were participating in a program where they worked until they gained their citizenship.
Wendy's/their lawyers dropped the ball and their program expired before they became legal citizens, because the lawyers didn't file their paperwork on time. It wasn't until this point that they became "illegals."

They deserve to win this lawsuit.

Well, the article keeps refering to them as illegal immigrants so i assume that's what they were. If they were in fact here legaly then they do have a legitamate case, IMO.
 

latino666

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Wow, some of you don't quite comprehend this...

They were here legally and were participating in a program where they worked until they gained their citizenship.
Wendy's/their lawyers dropped the ball and their program expired before they became legal citizens, because the lawyers didn't file their paperwork on time. It wasn't until this point that they became "illegals."

They deserve to win this lawsuit.

:thumbsup: They had a sponsor in Wendy's and were going through the legal way of becoming a US citizen.

The only thing these immigrants fvcked up on was not making sure their lawyers were doing their jobs. Can they win this case I have no idea but I applaud them for trying to become a citizen through the legal way.
 

mugs

Lifer
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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Wow, some of you don't quite comprehend this...

They were here legally and were participating in a program where they worked until they gained their citizenship.
Wendy's/their lawyers dropped the ball and their program expired before they became legal citizens, because the lawyers didn't file their paperwork on time. It wasn't until this point that they became "illegals."

They deserve to win this lawsuit.

I was confused by the use of the world "illegal" at first, but after reading the article it sounds like they came here illegally, then began participating in a program designed to allow illegal immigrants to become legal.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Wow, some of you don't quite comprehend this...

They were here legally and were participating in a program where they worked until they gained their citizenship.
Wendy's/their lawyers dropped the ball and their program expired before they became legal citizens, because the lawyers didn't file their paperwork on time. It wasn't until this point that they became "illegals."

They deserve to win this lawsuit.

I was confused by the use of the world "illegal" at first, but after reading the article it sounds like they came here illegally, then began participating in a program designed to allow illegal immigrants to become legal.


Program or not...they're still here illegally, and should be sent home in a box...maybe with a bag of Wendy's fries...they ARE entitled to a refund IMO for legal services NOT rendered, since the law firm apparently dropped the ball...

"HOUSTON (AP) -- A group of illegal immigrants who worked for Wendy's International Inc. is suing the restaurant chain because the company fired them after discovering it had missed a deadline for joining a federal program that would have helped them attain legal status.


Give them back their money, send them home.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: tk109
I'd imagine all they have to do is claim like 3 dependents so no taxes are taken out. Then just not file.


actually what happens is they'll be provided with fake SSNs so that the payroll taxes get taken out.

and none of them are making enough money to pay income taxes. very few people in the lower 50% of income pay any income taxes. so it's not like we're losing tax money on the deal. plus, they buy stuff and have a place to stay, so they're paying sales (well, maybe not in oregon) and property taxes.

Originally posted by: Turin39789
They were paying wendy's $25 a paycheck to provide legal counsel
and guess who picked the counsel? it was wendy's. wendy's was the agent of the immirgrant in this transaction.

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Program or not...they're still here illegally, and should be sent home in a box...maybe with a bag of Wendy's fries...they ARE entitled to a refund IMO for legal services NOT rendered, since the law firm apparently dropped the ball...

"HOUSTON (AP) -- A group of illegal immigrants who worked for Wendy's International Inc. is suing the restaurant chain because the company fired them after discovering it had missed a deadline for joining a federal program that would have helped them attain legal status.


Give them back their money, send them home.
actually, they could (and are) suing for malpractice. so, not just giving them back their money, but all the tort damages you can think of.
 

mugs

Lifer
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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Wow, some of you don't quite comprehend this...

They were here legally and were participating in a program where they worked until they gained their citizenship.
Wendy's/their lawyers dropped the ball and their program expired before they became legal citizens, because the lawyers didn't file their paperwork on time. It wasn't until this point that they became "illegals."

They deserve to win this lawsuit.

I was confused by the use of the world "illegal" at first, but after reading the article it sounds like they came here illegally, then began participating in a program designed to allow illegal immigrants to become legal.


Program or not...they're still here illegally, and should be sent home in a box...maybe with a bag of Wendy's fries...they ARE entitled to a refund IMO for legal services NOT rendered, since the law firm apparently dropped the ball...

"HOUSTON (AP) -- A group of illegal immigrants who worked for Wendy's International Inc. is suing the restaurant chain because the company fired them after discovering it had missed a deadline for joining a federal program that would have helped them attain legal status.


Give them back their money, send them home.

Such a hater... They were legal while they were participating in the program. They are no longer in it because someone else screwed up. They became illegal again because of that.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Wow, some of you don't quite comprehend this...

They were here legally and were participating in a program where they worked until they gained their citizenship.
Wendy's/their lawyers dropped the ball and their program expired before they became legal citizens, because the lawyers didn't file their paperwork on time. It wasn't until this point that they became "illegals."

They deserve to win this lawsuit.

I was confused by the use of the world "illegal" at first, but after reading the article it sounds like they came here illegally, then began participating in a program designed to allow illegal immigrants to become legal.


Program or not...they're still here illegally, and should be sent home in a box...maybe with a bag of Wendy's fries...they ARE entitled to a refund IMO for legal services NOT rendered, since the law firm apparently dropped the ball...

"HOUSTON (AP) -- A group of illegal immigrants who worked for Wendy's International Inc. is suing the restaurant chain because the company fired them after discovering it had missed a deadline for joining a federal program that would have helped them attain legal status.


Give them back their money, send them home.


umm what is the name of this program? is it a government program? or a loophole that a company was exploiting?

In my opinion the government should not be in the business of helping illegals become citizens.
 

mwmorph

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Wow, some of you don't quite comprehend this...

They were here legally and were participating in a program where they worked until they gained their citizenship.
Wendy's/their lawyers dropped the ball and their program expired before they became legal citizens, because the lawyers didn't file their paperwork on time. It wasn't until this point that they became "illegals."

They deserve to win this lawsuit.

I was confused by the use of the world "illegal" at first, but after reading the article it sounds like they came here illegally, then began participating in a program designed to allow illegal immigrants to become legal.


Program or not...they're still here illegally, and should be sent home in a box...maybe with a bag of Wendy's fries...they ARE entitled to a refund IMO for legal services NOT rendered, since the law firm apparently dropped the ball...

"HOUSTON (AP) -- A group of illegal immigrants who worked for Wendy's International Inc. is suing the restaurant chain because the company fired them after discovering it had missed a deadline for joining a federal program that would have helped them attain legal status.


Give them back their money, send them home.


umm what is the name of this program? is it a government program? or a loophole that a company was exploiting?

In my opinion the government should not be in the business of helping illegals become citizens.

:thumbsup: completely agree. There should be no reward for illegal acts. Ship them to the mexican border and let them find their arse back home.

More incentive not to eat at crap wendys.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: mwmorph
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Wow, some of you don't quite comprehend this...

They were here legally and were participating in a program where they worked until they gained their citizenship.
Wendy's/their lawyers dropped the ball and their program expired before they became legal citizens, because the lawyers didn't file their paperwork on time. It wasn't until this point that they became "illegals."

They deserve to win this lawsuit.

I was confused by the use of the world "illegal" at first, but after reading the article it sounds like they came here illegally, then began participating in a program designed to allow illegal immigrants to become legal.


Program or not...they're still here illegally, and should be sent home in a box...maybe with a bag of Wendy's fries...they ARE entitled to a refund IMO for legal services NOT rendered, since the law firm apparently dropped the ball...

"HOUSTON (AP) -- A group of illegal immigrants who worked for Wendy's International Inc. is suing the restaurant chain because the company fired them after discovering it had missed a deadline for joining a federal program that would have helped them attain legal status.


Give them back their money, send them home.


umm what is the name of this program? is it a government program? or a loophole that a company was exploiting?

In my opinion the government should not be in the business of helping illegals become citizens.

:thumbsup: completely agree. There should be no reward for illegal acts. Ship them to the mexican border and let them find their arse back home.

More incentive not to eat at crap wendys.

it sounds like they were here LEGALLY and then became ILLEGAL when wendy's law firm f-ed up.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: mugs
It was Wendy's lawyers who were handling it and they didn't file the papers in time?

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
It doesn't matter if it sucks or not, they have no rights here.

What? This country doesn't work that way.

you step foot onto the country and you have rights