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Do the Taiwanese want independence?
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soccerbud34
Senior member
Coming from having lived there for 10 years and still have families back there, no one, i repeat no one , consider themselves or Taiwan as a part of PROC.
Furthermore, with the younger generations in Taiwan, they do not onsider themselves "Chinese" but "Taiwanese."
Taiwan has its own goverment, its own military, its own elections. I would consider that be be fairly independant, no?
I mean, to be blunt, the goverment of the PROC never for one day had control of Taiwan, yet they consider Taiwan as a part of their province. Give me a break
edit** to your question, most of the Taiwanese people are content with the status (non-independent under international eyes, but not a part of the PROC either) they have now; however, if they have to choose one, i would guarantee you that they would choose independence over provincial status by a landslide**
Red Dawn
Elite Member
You know if the Mainland ever dumps their communist form of government Taiwan would benefit greatly (as would China) being united with the Mainland. Those old farts running the Mainland will be dying pretty soon and I bet that their will be a change in China's Government towards a Constitutional Democracy. Communism retards a Countrys growth and the Chinese are too smart to let that continue. Plus China is were the best Capitialist come from.
LongCoolMother
Diamond Member
my parents are from taiwan. they dont want independence, they are rather against it. however, a lot of their taiwanese friends are for it. so i dont know.
FrancesBeansRevenge
Platinum Member
Originally posted by: soccerbud34
Coming from having lived there for 10 years and still have families back there, no one, i repeat no one , consider themselves or Taiwan as a part of PROC.
Furthermore, with the younger generations in Taiwan, they do not onsider themselves "Chinese" but "Taiwanese."
Taiwan has its own goverment, its own military, its own elections. I would consider that be be fairly independant, no?
I mean, to be blunt, the goverment of the PROC never for one day had control of Taiwan, yet they consider Taiwan as a part of their province. Give me a break
edit** to your question, most of the Taiwanese people are content with the status (non-independent under international eyes, but not a part of the PROC either) they have now; however, if they have to choose one, i would guarantee you that they would choose independence over provincial status by a landslide**
That's good to hear.
The Taiwanese democracy and independence MUST be protected from the PROC.
It's an obligation of Western society to protect those who reach out to the ideals we hold dear.
We've failed that obligation many times but I hope Taiwan is not one of our failures. I love the Taiwanese people.
What a great spirit for that tiny island to hold its head up in the face of thier massively powerful, and itching for reunification, neighboors.
ed21x
Diamond Member
i really do think its amazing that such a tiny country of 20 million people have come such a long way as to be a world player economically, have the highest literacy rate in the world, 6th largest treasury, and a thriving, self-sustaining economy. it would be a shame to see such a hard working, idealistic population be forced into submission by a large, backward nation.
FrancesBeansRevenge
Platinum Member
Indeed.
alphatarget1
Diamond Member
taiwan is a democracy? the taiwanese government is filled with corruption here and there, just like china. taiwan has a fake democracy, just like many "democratic" governments.
a lot of taiwanese people i know don't give a fsck about independence, 2nd china, or whatever. they just want things to stay that way, pretty much the normal chinese indifference toward government. Chen is playing politics with china. taiwanese businesses understands that they can't fsck with china because of the large investments there.
a lot of taiwanese people i know don't give a fsck about independence, 2nd china, or whatever. they just want things to stay that way, pretty much the normal chinese indifference toward government. Chen is playing politics with china. taiwanese businesses understands that they can't fsck with china because of the large investments there.
FrancesBeansRevenge
Platinum Member
I did not know that. Is it worse than anywhere else? Or maybe other places are just better liars than the Taiwanese? 😀
I maybe a paranoid delusional, but as far as I am concerned, EVERYONE and EVERYTHING is corrupt.
Skyclad1uhm1
Lifer
And corruption in the USA is really, really good? 😛
AsukaStrikes
Banned
corruption is china is really really badder
and u dont even wanna get started on north korea, the nuklear kommunists
and u dont even wanna get started on north korea, the nuklear kommunists
ed21x
Diamond Member
yeah, its all true, but i forgot where it came from.... i'll try to find it for ya.
and as for government in taiwan be very corrupt, know that the free media in taiwan shares a particularly bad relationship with the government due to some mishaps awhile ago, and tend to capitalize on scandals and sensationalism. but other than that, taiwan's government is every bit as corrupt as the next guy and is every bit as democratic as the United States. (thus our president might not stay president for long...) if you want to check up on a nice, rosy government that 'loves' it's people, watch some state-controlled media from china.
Pepsei
Lifer
Younger Taiwanese, if they are force to choose, would pick Independence.
Remember, Taiwan used to be run by a dictatorship, which strangely, also held the belief that one day, they would 'strike back' and take over mainland and maintain the one china policy because of that. Older generations held that belief which in my opinion is outdated.
They used to lock up people in Taiwan for any mentions of 'independence". Ah yes political prisoners.
Before the "Nationalist" came to Taiwan it was not a part of PRC or ROC, after world war 2, it was given to PRC from Japanese control.
The Nationalist party is just as bad as mainland china. I'm glad to see them out of power... Taiwan is at least a step closer to democracy
Fate of Taiwan should be decided by Taiwanese people, Taiwan was never a part of PRC. Look at Mongolia... it was part of PRC and they gave that up.
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China is a terrible place to live for a lot of people... that's why people leave by the boat load! now if you want to argue about China is too big to maintain compare to Taiwan.... let's look at USA vs. Cuba.... similar situitation (like trade embargo which used to be the case with China and Taiwan, and one large nation and one small island nation). the conclusion is clear... socalistic gov'ment sucks.
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Remember, Taiwan used to be run by a dictatorship, which strangely, also held the belief that one day, they would 'strike back' and take over mainland and maintain the one china policy because of that. Older generations held that belief which in my opinion is outdated.
They used to lock up people in Taiwan for any mentions of 'independence". Ah yes political prisoners.
Before the "Nationalist" came to Taiwan it was not a part of PRC or ROC, after world war 2, it was given to PRC from Japanese control.
The Nationalist party is just as bad as mainland china. I'm glad to see them out of power... Taiwan is at least a step closer to democracy
Fate of Taiwan should be decided by Taiwanese people, Taiwan was never a part of PRC. Look at Mongolia... it was part of PRC and they gave that up.
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China is a terrible place to live for a lot of people... that's why people leave by the boat load! now if you want to argue about China is too big to maintain compare to Taiwan.... let's look at USA vs. Cuba.... similar situitation (like trade embargo which used to be the case with China and Taiwan, and one large nation and one small island nation). the conclusion is clear... socalistic gov'ment sucks.
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Pepsei
Lifer
should americans consider themselve british? there's a natilonal identity there but it's hard to judge with taiwanese....perhaps a racial identity?
Ah, people of Taiwan may or may not have mainland chinese blood in them.... when the nationalist party took over taiwan, there was a riot shortly after that.. and the nationalist army brutally put that down.... sad.... it was supressed for many many years until recently. I didn't know about it until a few years ago....
prontospyder
Diamond Member
Of course the avg Taiwanese want Taiwan to be officially independent but there's a big bully around the corner ready to beat them up if they actually pursue it. So they stick with the 2nd best option....the current status quo.
prontospyder
Diamond Member
<<That's good to hear.
The Taiwanese democracy and independence MUST be protected from the PROC.
It's an obligation of Western society to protect those who reach out to the ideals we hold dear.
We've failed that obligation many times but I hope Taiwan is not one of our failures. I love the Taiwanese people.
What a great spirit for that tiny island to hold its head up in the face of thier massively powerful, and itching for reunification, neighboors.>>
<<i really do think its amazing that such a tiny country of 20 million people have come such a long way as to be a world player economically, have the highest literacy rate in the world, 6th largest treasury, and a thriving, self-sustaining economy. it would be a shame to see such a hard working, idealistic population be forced into submission by a large, backward nation.>>
very nicely said.
The Taiwanese democracy and independence MUST be protected from the PROC.
It's an obligation of Western society to protect those who reach out to the ideals we hold dear.
We've failed that obligation many times but I hope Taiwan is not one of our failures. I love the Taiwanese people.
What a great spirit for that tiny island to hold its head up in the face of thier massively powerful, and itching for reunification, neighboors.>>
<<i really do think its amazing that such a tiny country of 20 million people have come such a long way as to be a world player economically, have the highest literacy rate in the world, 6th largest treasury, and a thriving, self-sustaining economy. it would be a shame to see such a hard working, idealistic population be forced into submission by a large, backward nation.>>
very nicely said.
soccerbud34
Senior member
I can concur to what he said. When the Nationalist first came over to Taiwan, it was more of a military rule under a dictactorship.
However, for the past 30 years or so, Taiwan has taken major strides toward democary, and its economy has been flourishing ever since (even though right now the economy is in a recession).
As to the comment that the Taiwanese goverment been really corrupt. It is no more corrupt, if not less, than the big neighbour 100 miles across the strait.
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