Do the Taiwanese want independence?

[Martin]

I was just wondering, since I don't know...

does the average Taiwan resident want independence or do they want some prefered province status of something? Is there even agreement, or are they split on it?

 

[kumanchu]

last i checked; they considerthemselves independant.

 

[soccerbud34]

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
I was just wondering, since I don't know...

does the average Taiwan resident want independence or do they want some prefered province status of something? Is there even agreement, or are they split on it?

Coming from having lived there for 10 years and still have families back there, no one, i repeat no one , consider themselves or Taiwan as a part of PROC.
Furthermore, with the younger generations in Taiwan, they do not onsider themselves "Chinese" but "Taiwanese."

Taiwan has its own goverment, its own military, its own elections. I would consider that be be fairly independant, no?

I mean, to be blunt, the goverment of the PROC never for one day had control of Taiwan, yet they consider Taiwan as a part of their province. Give me a break

edit** to your question, most of the Taiwanese people are content with the status (non-independent under international eyes, but not a part of the PROC either) they have now; however, if they have to choose one, i would guarantee you that they would choose independence over provincial status by a landslide**

 

[Red Dawn]

You know if the Mainland ever dumps their communist form of government Taiwan would benefit greatly (as would China) being united with the Mainland. Those old farts running the Mainland will be dying pretty soon and I bet that their will be a change in China's Government towards a Constitutional Democracy. Communism retards a Countrys growth and the Chinese are too smart to let that continue. Plus China is were the best Capitialist come from.

 

[LongCoolMother]

my parents are from taiwan. they dont want independence, they are rather against it. however, a lot of their taiwanese friends are for it. so i dont know.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: soccerbud34

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
I was just wondering, since I don't know...

does the average Taiwan resident want independence or do they want some prefered province status of something? Is there even agreement, or are they split on it?

Coming from having lived there for 10 years and still have families back there, no one, i repeat no one , consider themselves or Taiwan as a part of PROC.
Furthermore, with the younger generations in Taiwan, they do not onsider themselves "Chinese" but "Taiwanese."

Taiwan has its own goverment, its own military, its own elections. I would consider that be be fairly independant, no?

I mean, to be blunt, the goverment of the PROC never for one day had control of Taiwan, yet they consider Taiwan as a part of their province. Give me a break

edit** to your question, most of the Taiwanese people are content with the status (non-independent under international eyes, but not a part of the PROC either) they have now; however, if they have to choose one, i would guarantee you that they would choose independence over provincial status by a landslide**

That's good to hear.
The Taiwanese democracy and independence MUST be protected from the PROC.
It's an obligation of Western society to protect those who reach out to the ideals we hold dear.
We've failed that obligation many times but I hope Taiwan is not one of our failures. I love the Taiwanese people.
What a great spirit for that tiny island to hold its head up in the face of thier massively powerful, and itching for reunification, neighboors.

 

[ed21x]

i really do think its amazing that such a tiny country of 20 million people have come such a long way as to be a world player economically, have the highest literacy rate in the world, 6th largest treasury, and a thriving, self-sustaining economy. it would be a shame to see such a hard working, idealistic population be forced into submission by a large, backward nation.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: ed21x
i really do think its amazing that such a tiny country of 20 million people have come such a long way as to be a world player economically, have the highest literacy rate in the world, 6th largest treasury, and a thriving, self-sustaining economy. it would be a shame to see such a hard working, idealistic population be forced into submission by a large, backward nation.

Indeed.

 

[alphatarget1]

taiwan is a democracy? the taiwanese government is filled with corruption here and there, just like china. taiwan has a fake democracy, just like many "democratic" governments.

a lot of taiwanese people i know don't give a fsck about independence, 2nd china, or whatever. they just want things to stay that way, pretty much the normal chinese indifference toward government. Chen is playing politics with china. taiwanese businesses understands that they can't fsck with china because of the large investments there.

 

[max105]

From what i hear, most taiwanese people seem to want it. or at least they don't want to be considered a part of China. I personally don't care about the whole situation.

 

[HamSupLo]

corruption in taiwan is really really bad

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: jooksing
corruption in taiwan is really really bad

I did not know that. Is it worse than anywhere else? Or maybe other places are just better liars than the Taiwanese?
I maybe a paranoid delusional, but as far as I am concerned, EVERYONE and EVERYTHING is corrupt.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: jooksing
corruption in taiwan is really really bad

And corruption in the USA is really, really good?

 

[AsukaStrikes]

corruption is china is really really badder

and u dont even wanna get started on north korea, the nuklear kommunists

 

[Braves]

Originally posted by: ed21x
i really do think its amazing that such a tiny country of 20 million people have come such a long way as to be a world player economically, have the highest literacy rate in the world, 6th largest treasury, and a thriving, self-sustaining economy. it would be a shame to see such a hard working, idealistic population be forced into submission by a large, backward nation.

are there stats on those things? I'd like to see some, being Taiwanese myself (well both parents born and raised in taiwan, i was born in cali) I argue a lot with my friends on these type of things (for humor) but I'd like to have some more ammo to prove my points

 

[Passions]

It's an obligation of Western society to protect those who reach out to the ideals we hold dear.

WORLD POLICE huh? :|

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: Braves

Originally posted by: ed21x
i really do think its amazing that such a tiny country of 20 million people have come such a long way as to be a world player economically, have the highest literacy rate in the world, 6th largest treasury, and a thriving, self-sustaining economy. it would be a shame to see such a hard working, idealistic population be forced into submission by a large, backward nation.

are there stats on those things? I'd like to see some, being Taiwanese myself (well both parents born and raised in taiwan, i was born in cali) I argue a lot with my friends on these type of things (for humor) but I'd like to have some more ammo to prove my points

yeah, its all true, but i forgot where it came from.... i'll try to find it for ya.

and as for government in taiwan be very corrupt, know that the free media in taiwan shares a particularly bad relationship with the government due to some mishaps awhile ago, and tend to capitalize on scandals and sensationalism. but other than that, taiwan's government is every bit as corrupt as the next guy and is every bit as democratic as the United States. (thus our president might not stay president for long...) if you want to check up on a nice, rosy government that 'loves' it's people, watch some state-controlled media from china.

 

[hoihtah]

yes.

but it's interesting how my taiwanese friends associate themselves as chinese... when it's in favor of china...
and at other times... they emphasize their roots in taiwan.

 

[CocaCola5]

Obviously, those with investments in china don't care that much for independence.

 

[Pepsei]

Younger Taiwanese, if they are force to choose, would pick Independence.

Remember, Taiwan used to be run by a dictatorship, which strangely, also held the belief that one day, they would 'strike back' and take over mainland and maintain the one china policy because of that. Older generations held that belief which in my opinion is outdated.
They used to lock up people in Taiwan for any mentions of 'independence". Ah yes political prisoners.

Before the "Nationalist" came to Taiwan it was not a part of PRC or ROC, after world war 2, it was given to PRC from Japanese control.

The Nationalist party is just as bad as mainland china. I'm glad to see them out of power... Taiwan is at least a step closer to democracy

Fate of Taiwan should be decided by Taiwanese people, Taiwan was never a part of PRC. Look at Mongolia... it was part of PRC and they gave that up.

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China is a terrible place to live for a lot of people... that's why people leave by the boat load! now if you want to argue about China is too big to maintain compare to Taiwan.... let's look at USA vs. Cuba.... similar situitation (like trade embargo which used to be the case with China and Taiwan, and one large nation and one small island nation). the conclusion is clear... socalistic gov'ment sucks.

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[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: hoihtah
yes.

but it's interesting how my taiwanese friends associate themselves as chinese... when it's in favor of china...
and at other times... they emphasize their roots in taiwan.

should americans consider themselve british? there's a natilonal identity there but it's hard to judge with taiwanese....perhaps a racial identity?

Ah, people of Taiwan may or may not have mainland chinese blood in them.... when the nationalist party took over taiwan, there was a riot shortly after that.. and the nationalist army brutally put that down.... sad.... it was supressed for many many years until recently. I didn't know about it until a few years ago....

 

[prontospyder]

Of course the avg Taiwanese want Taiwan to be officially independent but there's a big bully around the corner ready to beat them up if they actually pursue it. So they stick with the 2nd best option....the current status quo.

 

[prontospyder]

<<That's good to hear.
The Taiwanese democracy and independence MUST be protected from the PROC.
It's an obligation of Western society to protect those who reach out to the ideals we hold dear.
We've failed that obligation many times but I hope Taiwan is not one of our failures. I love the Taiwanese people.
What a great spirit for that tiny island to hold its head up in the face of thier massively powerful, and itching for reunification, neighboors.>>

<<i really do think its amazing that such a tiny country of 20 million people have come such a long way as to be a world player economically, have the highest literacy rate in the world, 6th largest treasury, and a thriving, self-sustaining economy. it would be a shame to see such a hard working, idealistic population be forced into submission by a large, backward nation.>>

very nicely said.

 

[soccerbud34]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
Younger Taiwanese, if they are force to choose, would pick Independence.

Remember, Taiwan used to be run by a dictatorship, which strangely, also held the belief that one day, they would 'strike back' and take over mainland and maintain the one china policy because of that. Older generations held that belief which in my opinion is outdated.
They used to lock up people in Taiwan for any mentions of 'independence". Ah yes political prisoners.

Before the "Nationalist" came to Taiwan it was not a part of PRC or ROC, after world war 2, it was given to PRC from Japanese control.

The Nationalist party is just as bad as mainland china. I'm glad to see them out of power... Taiwan is at least a step closer to democracy

Fate of Taiwan should be decided by Taiwanese people, Taiwan was never a part of PRC. Look at Mongolia... it was part of PRC and they gave that up.

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China is a terrible place to live for a lot of people... that's why people leave by the boat load! now if you want to argue about China is too big to maintain compare to Taiwan.... let's look at USA vs. Cuba.... similar situitation (like trade embargo which used to be the case with China and Taiwan, and one large nation and one small island nation). the conclusion is clear... socalistic gov'ment sucks.

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I can concur to what he said. When the Nationalist first came over to Taiwan, it was more of a military rule under a dictactorship.

However, for the past 30 years or so, Taiwan has taken major strides toward democary, and its economy has been flourishing ever since (even though right now the economy is in a recession).

As to the comment that the Taiwanese goverment been really corrupt. It is no more corrupt, if not less, than the big neighbour 100 miles across the strait.

 

[wQuay]

Those old farts running the Mainland will be dying pretty soon and I bet that their will be a change in China's Government towards a Constitutional Democracy.

They tried that in '89. It ended in a massacre.