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Do Christians and Muslims believe in the SAME god?

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see Christianity doesn't teach that at all. We don't disappear when we turn to God in Christ, we are reborn (as Jesus told Nicodemus one must be born again). When you trust in Christ, you are crucified with him, your old man is put to death and you are raised up a new man (that's why we baptize, symbolizes our death and resurrection just as Christ was dead, buried, and rose up). There is a real spiritual transformation that takes place, one that is made evident in the way a person lives from that point forward. As Paul puts it, we have risen "to walk in newness of life." eveyrthing about the christian life after conversion is new.

Ezek 36, says I?ve received new heart, Ezek 18, says I?ve received a new spirit, Gal 6, says I am a new creature, Eph 4, says I am a new man, Rev. 2, says I have a new name, psalm 40, says I have a new song, 2 Corinthians 5:17 says that ?If anyone is in Christ he is a new creation, the old has gone, the new has come.?
 
Johnnobts, have you reconciled the difference of Judaism / Christianity being the same God regardless of the belief in Jesus' divinity (messianic Jews is NOT an answer); vs Islam not believing in Jesus as God, therefore believing in a different God alltogether? Why is one different not the other.

If I missed this explanation, please point it out.
 
Originally posted by: johnnobts
see Christianity doesn't teach that at all. We don't disappear when we turn to God in Christ, we are reborn (as Jesus told Nicodemus one must be born again). When you trust in Christ, you are crucified with him, your old man is put to death and you are raised up a new man (that's why we baptize, symbolizes our death and resurrection just as Christ was dead, buried, and rose up). There is a real spiritual transformation that takes place, one that is made evident in the way a person lives from that point forward. As Paul puts it, we have risen "to walk in newness of life." eveyrthing about the christian life after conversion is new.

Ezek 36, says I?ve received new heart, Ezek 18, says I?ve received a new spirit, Gal 6, says I am a new creature, Eph 4, says I am a new man, Rev. 2, says I have a new name, psalm 40, says I have a new song, 2 Corinthians 5:17 says that ?If anyone is in Christ he is a new creation, the old has gone, the new has come.?
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But my dear Sir, you have a fundamentalist point of view. You believe you know what Christianity teaches. You have trained yourself to understand thing in your own way. I do not have your bias and training and see things in a different way. I hear in those words that you quote, not what you said but what I say. What does it mean, for example, that the kingdom of heaven is within you?
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Got into a disagreement with a strong Christian lady that I know who swore that Muslims do not believe in the same god as Christians. She agreed that Jews did, but seemed to not think the same for Muslims.

Can someone with a little more knowledge give me the 411 on how this breaks down.

And to make this fit into P&N. Could the fact that many people think the same as her influence how we as a country look at Muslims?
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NO! Their God is the GOD the Jews worship. Jesus is just a prophet.
 
Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Got into a disagreement with a strong Christian lady that I know who swore that Muslims do not believe in the same god as Christians. She agreed that Jews did, but seemed to not think the same for Muslims.

Can someone with a little more knowledge give me the 411 on how this breaks down.

And to make this fit into P&N. Could the fact that many people think the same as her influence how we as a country look at Muslims?
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NO! Their God is the GOD the Jews worship. Jesus is just a prophet.
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Ah, finally we get an answer.
 
Ok, regarding the question about reconciling Judaism and Christianity. Yes, the God of the Hebrew Bible is the God of the New Testament. The Jews worship him (practicing Jews anyway). Christians (both Jewish and Gentile alike) believe Jesus is the culmination of the Old Testament Prophecies concerning God's chosen one, the Messiah (which means "annointed," messiahand Christ mean the same thing). This is why you see Jesus quoting the Scriptures so often, as well as the apostles. This is why Paul tells Timothy in 2 Tim. 3 that the holy Scriptures (the Hebrew Bible) had "made him wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." This is why Jesus said "I did not come to abolish the law but to complete it (or perfect it)," as in the Law of Moses, the first 5 books of the Hebrew Bible.

But Christians also believe that God has revealed himself to man in a perfect and complete way in Christ. Jesus is the ultimate form of communication b/w God an man, b/c he is the God-man, God in the flesh. This is why John calls Jesus "the Word" (the Logos). The Law was always pointing to Christ and his saving work. in fact, Paul states in Romans that the law itself could never really save anyone (Romans 3:20 "therefore by the works of the flesh no man will be justified or made right in God's sight."). Abraham, Moses, the men and women of the Hebrew Bible, they weren't saved b/c of their DNA (being Jewish), they were saved by grace through faith. THey trusted God was going to do something on their behalf, that their Messiah would "bring waters of life back into Jerusalem". This is why Genesis 15:6 states, "Abram believed the LORD, and He credited it towards him as righteouesness..." Abram wasn't right with God b/c he was a "good person," he was right with God b/c he had faith in God, and he walked in faith. Judaism was looking forward to the messiah, to Christ. Christianity looks back at what the Messiah has done. Jews today have the opportunity to read about Jesus in the NT and decide for themselves if his claims are true.
 
What does it mean that the kingdom of heaven is within you? What does it mean to perfect the law? How can one have faith and a self? If there is only God who is this person that can trust? When His will is done on Earth as in Heaven where is my will?
 
How can one have faith and a self? If there is only God who is this person that can trust? When His will is done on Earth as in Heaven where is my will?
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uh, not sure about that question. suffice it to say, we believe that believers in Christ do retain their personal identities in heaven. johnnobts will always be johnnobts. but now I'm johnnobts, adopted into the family of God in Christ. faith in Christ does not mitigate my identity.
 
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