OutHouse
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traditional copies??? WTF does that mean? are you reading a "modern" version of the bible and koran? or do you just have selective reading and choose to ignore all the chapters that you dont agree with.
Tell you what, why dont you find your own backup yourself, maybe it will sink in better if you do your own research. self-discovery can be very powerful.
Tell you what, why dont you find your own backup yourself, maybe it will sink in better if you do your own research. self-discovery can be very powerful.
If you can't find your back-up then you are just another ignorant!! Don't spread lies! Know what you are talking about!
scientific way of thinking: Perception - Identical - proof..talk with me based on these 3 steps.
OutHouse
Lifer
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ok ill bite just to shut you up. I am afraid you are the ignorant one. but thats ok, the world is full of sheep like you who cant read for themselves.
this one is my favorite "Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)
Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3)
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (Koran 9:5)
Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3)
Our God tells us to "fight the unbelievers" and "He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them" (Koran 9:14).
"Until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Koran 9:29)
"Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39).
"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)
"Murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123)
"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:40)
"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)
"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)
"strike off the heads of the disbelievers" (Koran 47:4)
"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)
"You (i.e. Muslims) will fight wi the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' " (Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177)
The Prophet killed the men of the Jewish tribe Bani Quraiza (some 600 to 800 of them) and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims All the other Jews of Medina were exiled. (Bukhari 5:59:362)
The Prophet had the date-palms of the Jewish tribe of Bani-Al- Nadir burnt and cut down. "It was with Allah's permission" (Koran 59:5)
The Prophet said to Sa'd, :The Bani Quraiza have agreed to accept your verdict" Sa'd said, "Kill all their men and take their women and children as slaves" The Prophet replied, "You have judged according to God's Judgment" (Bukhari 5:59:447)
"The Christians say: The Christ is the son of Allah; "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:29)
These are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them." (Sura 9:30)
"Unbelievers are those who say: 'God is one of three.' There is but one God. If they do not desist from so saying, those of them that disbelieve shall be sternly punished." (Surah 5:73)
This is the verse:"And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers."[2:191]
look at the next one:"But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."[2:192]
Is this enough? or do you want me to show more that you are just blindly copying what you are told without researching and without Perception of what you are doing!!?
let me explain that it says to kill whoever we find from the ppl who start war and killing on us and to drive them out of mecca which proves that it was just a command for the prophet pbuh in that time
here is it:" And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve."[9:3]
next one:"Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty)."[9:4]
And they contain nothing about war or killing.
explanations: when the 4 months of safety then kill the infidels who break the Covenants everywhere.. thats enough.
repeated!
the one before it:"Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first? What! Fear ye them? Now Allah hath more right that ye should fear Him, if ye are believers" [9:13]
from the second translator: "What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers."[9:13]
i guess this is enough!!
this doesn't talk about war and it simply follows the same manner of the 9th surah
here is it:"If ye go not forth He will afflict you with a painful doom, and will choose instead of you a folk other than you. Ye cannot harm Him at all. Allah is Able to do all things."[9:39]
and it is about Muslims!
here:"O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end."[9:73]
follow the same manner here is the next verse:
" They swear by Allah that they said nothing (wrong), yet they did say the word of disbelief, and did disbelieve after their Surrender (to Allah). And they purposed that which they could not attain, and they sought revenge only that Allah by His messenger should enrich them of His bounty. If they repent it will be better for them; and if they turn away, Allah will afflict them with a painful doom in the world and the Hereafter, and they have no protecting friend nor helper in the earth."[9:74]
here is it:"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."[9:123]
follows the same manner!!!!
well i will be back with the rest later because I am busy now! see you my ignorant friend!
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Mission impossible!
you know what the rulers do in Arabic lands!!? they don't even care 1 bit about Islam!!
surah 47 is only 38 verses.
This is Allah's will and not related to wars, Muslims, infidels or anyone else.
[17:16] "And when We would destroy a township We send commandment to its folk who live at ease, and afterward they commit abomination therein, and so the Word (of doom) hath effect for it, and we annihilate it with complete annihilation."
[17:17] "How many generations have We destroyed since Noah! And Allah sufficeth as Knower and Beholder of the sins of His slaves."
[21:11] "How many a community that dealt unjustly have We shattered, and raised up after them another folk!"
Again not related to anything from what you was talking about!!
here:" Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain."[47:4]
This strictly talks about the Anti-Islam infidels who attack Islam and Muslims.
this is talk about the next life when infidels go to hell!! is this related to me, you or anything you said?
this will be in a predicted war between Muslims and Jewish no command or order here.
All of them are due to the fact that Jewish betrayed our prophet pbuh many time and for bani Quraiza they said they wanted Sa'd to judge between them and Muslims after they betrayed us so that's what he said and they accepted!!
[9:29]" Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."
[9:30] "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!"
30 is not with any important value for you so 29 says that we should fight against those who stand in the way of Islam and take Jizyah from them to support Islam and to the poor people of the book and it was only taken from the rich and to defend them because war was not written as a command for them.
again we don't believe in what you believe now and Allah is against it and this doesn't mean anything to us as this punishment will be in the after life.
Originally posted by: Alaa
Mission impossible!
you know what the rulers do in Arabic lands!!? they don't even care 1 bit about Islam!!
Well, then, Saddam wasn't any better, so you can hardly resent the USA for shaking things up a bit. After Saddam was out of the picture, that was the perfect time for Iraqis to move forward; however, their leaders decided that slaughtering one another was a better idea, so no point blaiming the USA.
By the way, your rulers care only about power -- it has nothing to do with Islam. Even if you had a guy in charge that ostensibly advocated Islam law, etc, etc -- then I guarantee you that at the end you would not have been better off. Soon enough they'd be corrupted, and then it would have been even harder to oppose him, since all he would have to do is assert some "divine right", or merely brand the opposition as heretics.
Once you're branded a heretic, there will be plenty of people who won't have any qualms in chopping your head off -- after all, the religious leader knows religion best, right?
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