Originally posted by: dna
Originally posted by: magomago
dna why don't you pause and look at the situation rather than invoke Hitler every second in your thread.
Did I invoke Hitler, or is this your lame attempt to negate my remark?
Yes you did when you referred to the Nationalist Socialist Party of Germany. Note that I did not attack your, nor call your comments "lame", but told you that invoking Hitler every second is a pointless act. You are trying to draw parallels between Islam and Nazism...and that is laughable.
Understand where you are coming from in history, because applying the laws of today to the past makes no sense.
What a long winded post you managed to compose, while I was merely pointing out the obvious message coming out of your compatriot's (
Alaa) comments: we are ordered to spread Islam via Jihad, and we will fight you -- or as he likes to put it: "defend our right" -- if you do not let us spread it.
I'm sure he's not the only one who thinks this way, and what he is saying is no more than a veiled threat.
No doubt hopefully in the future people will look at the viscious actions being taken today that we justify and call righteous as barbaric acts.
So, you also support this spread of Islam by forcing.... ahem... defending your divine duty to spread it?
I don't need to wait for the future -- people are already calling it barbaric acts in the here and now.
Again, no. don't put words in my mouth. I never once said I support spreading religion through Jihad (if you understood what Jihad is, and the concept behind it, you would realize that spreading "Islam through Jihad" simply makes no sense).
You need to know how Islam spread: the violent period existed largely within the Arabian peninsula. Remember that the Empire that started there did spread like wildfire, but we are talking about the EMPIRE. The reason Islam spread so quickly among Greater Arabia is simply because
Islam was in a position to displace other religions because it syncritized within the region . Syncretization is a process where a religion (or anything) can be similar to another religion and thus it enters and slowly displaces the existing religions. In general, this process takes bits and peieces and modifies the religion. Buddhism in China is an extreme example: MUCH of Buddha's original teching are far different than what the Chinese took and modified for themselves. In Iran, the concepts of ""Mullahs" was someting that exist before and Islam could not fully displace that~ thus while the Quran never talks about this elaborate religious heirachy, it exists nonetheless within Iran. Thus if we look at the area we can see why the religion spread so quickly: Zoroastranism had similar concepts, and thus the religion was one that already seemed familiar. Westward all the way towrds north Africa, Arius Christian thought was never fully erradicated by the Catholic Church and thus the transition to Islam was an easy one because of the position that "God and Jesus are entirely seperate entities" was easily able to take hold. Also, there were financial incentives to convert, and some of them related to the expanding empire. But to assume they converted BECAUSE of warrior aspect of the empire is false. I can give you a list of links, as well as books to read if you are intrested in learning more.
If we want to talk about Spread into South East Asia - a lot of this existed due to ecnomic incentive. Rulers would convert seeing the "power" and new allies they could gain from the west, and in time when the elite class converts the population eventually converts.
Regretfully, situations like the vicious rulers in India are NOT the norm, but thankfull the exception.
You tell me I talk a lot about nothing...when in reality you don't know the history behind things. If Alaa really thinks Islam was spread by the sword he is wrong:
The empire expanded (largely because empires back then were either expanding...or contracting), and for various reasons each region had its own reason to convert to Islam as the scholars raced with the boundries of the growing empire.
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