DIY Circumcision

[eplebnista]

Reminds me of the House episode Autopsy:

House: sore throat? <We see the patient holding an open book in front of him, he removes it to reveal blood stained pants> It?s not Lupus. Well not everyone can operate a zipper; the up, the down. What comes next? Patient: My new girl friend never been with a guy who wasn?t c-circumcised so she freaked and? House: Aha, and you wanted Rivkah to feel all gemütlich. I get it, it?s a Shanda. <The patient drops his pants as House turn toward him> Gah! Patient: I got some box cutters and uh? House: Just like Abraham did it. Patient: I sterilized them which, uh, I was told you?re? House: Stop talking. I?m going to get a plastic surgeon. Get the Twinkie back in the wrapper.

 

[nerdress]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Safeway]

My wang hurts just thinking about the nail clippers. What a wacko.

 

[AdamK47]

I can't imagine why this guy thought this was a good idea.

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: Baked
Self mutilation FTL. What's wrong with washing your dick when you shower?

Lots of health benefits.... http://www.circinfo.net/

i mean.. if you want to get dick cancer just so you can say you're one of the cool kids who didn't get their winky chopped... go right ahead.

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: VinylxScratches
Jim Gaffighan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg6Ia18Gcxo

Love Gaffighan.

yes, he got a new fan

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: VinylxScratches
Jim Gaffighan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg6Ia18Gcxo

Love Gaffighan.

yes, he got a new fan

Isn't he already really popular?

 

[Robsasman]

Thats just painful reading.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

I guess this is what happens when you indoctrinate people into believing that genital mutilation is such a great thing.

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
I guess this is what happens when you indoctrinate people into believing that genital mutilation is such a great thing.

aren't you the same person who just posted

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
I agree with the OP, it really pisses me off. There are a ton of users on this board who think it's necessary to interject into every thread about alcohol that they've never touched a drop and many of them leave snarky comments about how stupid drinkers are. Same thing with weed threads.

But as for relatively harmless things (a night on the piss, a joint), if you don't want to try it then that's fine. But don't act all high and mighty and tell everyone else how terrible it is because that's bullshit. I also get annoyed with people (ATOT users are really bad at this) who knock things like Twitter and Facebook without ever having used them. I don't care if you don't like the services, but knocking them relentlessly without ever having tried them is such a douche move.

so the question remains... have you tried "genital mutilation" and didn't like it... or are you just "knocking something without ever trying it" ?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
I guess this is what happens when you indoctrinate people into believing that genital mutilation is such a great thing.

aren't you the same person who just posted

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
I agree with the OP, it really pisses me off. There are a ton of users on this board who think it's necessary to interject into every thread about alcohol that they've never touched a drop and many of them leave snarky comments about how stupid drinkers are. Same thing with weed threads.

But as for relatively harmless things (a night on the piss, a joint), if you don't want to try it then that's fine. But don't act all high and mighty and tell everyone else how terrible it is because that's bullshit. I also get annoyed with people (ATOT users are really bad at this) who knock things like Twitter and Facebook without ever having used them. I don't care if you don't like the services, but knocking them relentlessly without ever having tried them is such a douche move.

so the question remains... have you tried "genital mutilation" and didn't like it... or are you just "knocking something without ever trying it" ?

Funny that you cut out the middle paragraph where I noted that it's substantially less douchey to knock something that is quite obviously extremely painful and with lasting implications. If you're going to try to call me a hypocrite, don't trim my posts back. And don't lash out at me if your parents chose to mutilate you before you had the choice.

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
And don't lash out at me if your parents chose to mutilate you before you had the choice.

I don't consider myself mutilated, anymore than you would consider yourself to be deprived because your parents decided to live in New Zeland.

I am what I am.

You are what you are.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Why would I feel deprived? That's utterly ridiculous, I love my country! How absurd. As to yourself, what your parents did to you is the very definition of mutilation.

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
As to yourself, what your parents did to you is the very definition of mutilation.

I can see why you don't agree with it.

The WHO estimates prevalence in the United States at 75% ...

The circumcision rate has declined sharply in Australia since the 1970s, leading to an age-graded fall in prevalence, with a 2000-01 survey finding 32% of those aged 16?19 years circumcised, 50% for 20?29 years and 64% for those aged 30?39 years..

Circumcision is apparently more prevalent in civilized societies, due to the health benefits.

Plus it is also religious traditions... myself, being of jewish descent, does not see anything wrong with it.

 

[octopus41092]

WHY?! WHY NAIL CLIPPERS?!

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
As to yourself, what your parents did to you is the very definition of mutilation.

I can see why you don't agree with it.

The WHO estimates prevalence in the United States at 75% ...

The circumcision rate has declined sharply in Australia since the 1970s, leading to an age-graded fall in prevalence, with a 2000-01 survey finding 32% of those aged 16?19 years circumcised, 50% for 20?29 years and 64% for those aged 30?39 years..

Circumcision is apparently more prevalent in civilized societies, due to the health benefits.

Plus it is also religious traditions... myself, being of jewish descent, does not see anything wrong with it.

My opinion has nothing to do with how many people are mutilated at or near birth, it has to do with the barbaric practice. If there are such wonderful health benefits then it should be no problem waiting for the victim to reach an age where they can consent properly. Your religious arguments are as empty to me as a religious justification for any other heinous act.

As for the civilised world, well I think this map says more than I can. You have a strange definition of 'civilised'. North America is the outlier in that map.

Just as a quick note, I don't know why you think Australia's rate should have anything to do with my opinion. I'm not Australian, and I've never visited the country.

 

[KLin]

What a schmuck!

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
My opinion has nothing to do with how many people are mutilated at or near birth, it has to do with the barbaric practice. If there are such wonderful health benefits then it should be no problem waiting for the victim to reach an age where they can consent properly. Your religious arguments are as empty to me as a religious justification for any other heinous act.

So, tell me then, what exactly is your opinion based on? Someone elses opinion? Have you been circumcized and still feel the pain? have you performed circumcision? Or have you just read an article that says its barbaric and agree with it.

Saying " If there are such wonderful health benefits then it should be no problem waiting for the victim to reach an age where they can consent properly." is just brainless. If every medical procedure was not performed unless someone could properly consent, you probably wouldn't perform half the medical procedures done today. There is such a thing as a medical proxy.

Hopefully you wont be dying one day, need a bypass, and your loved one will say "We should really wait until he is able to consent properly before performing a bypass"

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
My opinion has nothing to do with how many people are mutilated at or near birth, it has to do with the barbaric practice. If there are such wonderful health benefits then it should be no problem waiting for the victim to reach an age where they can consent properly. Your religious arguments are as empty to me as a religious justification for any other heinous act.

So, tell me then, what exactly is your opinion based on? Someone elses opinion? Have you been circumcized and still feel the pain? have you performed circumcision? Or have you just read an article that says its barbaric and agree with it.

Saying " If there are such wonderful health benefits then it should be no problem waiting for the victim to reach an age where they can consent properly." is just brainless. If every medical procedure was not performed unless someone could properly consent, you probably wouldn't perform half the medical procedures done today. There is such a thing as a medical proxy.

Hopefully you wont be dying one day, need a bypass, and your loved one will say "We should really wait until he is able to consent properly before performing a bypass"

Right, because emergency surgery is totally comparable to circumcision Please present me with a single case in all of recorded human history in which a baby's penis had to be mutilated in order to save it's life. And even if that were the case I'd be all for it.

I'm not against circumcision per se, you can do whatever the fuck you want with your own body. What I have a problem with is mutilating small children without them ever having the choice. I'm against circumcision of innocent children for the same reason I don't think we should tattoo them, or cut their nipples off, or hell even circumcise women. I'm against it because it's a permanent disfigurement that is forced onto an innocent child.

Adult circumcision is just fine with me. This dropkick is welcome to mutilate his junk with nail clippers, I don't give a shit. Just leave innocent children alone, you fucking monsters.

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Please present me with a single case in all of recorded human history in which a baby's penis had to be mutilated in order to save it's life. And even if that were the case I'd be all for it.

Not a baby's life, but how about hundreds of thousands of people?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/article675863.ece

Circumcision helps to protect men from contracting HIV from infected female sexual partners.

Or even more..


http://pediatrics.aappublicati...ent/abstract/83/6/1011

The records of 136,086 boys born in US Army hospitals from 1980 to 1985 were reviewed for indexed complications related to circumcision status during the first month of life.

For 100,157 circumcised boys, there were 193 complications (0.19%).

By contrast, the complications in the 35,929 uncircumcised infants were all related to urinary tract infections. Of the 88 boys with such infections (0.24%), 32 had concomitant bacteremia, three had meningitis, two had renal failure, and two died. The frequencies of urinary tract infection (P < .0001) and bacteremia (P < .0002) were significantly higher in the uncircumcised boys.

Serious complications from routine prepuce removal are rare and relatively minor.

Circumcision may be beneficial in reducing the occurrence of urinary tract infections and their associated sequelae.

While none of these articles suggest it SAVED lives... it does say that it prevented deaths or other serious infections

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

As for the HIV thing, if you're old enough to be fucking around then you're old enough to decide for yourself if you want to be circumcised.

Regarding the urinary tract infection issue, at what rate of complications do we start deciding to mutilate our children? That's a question that is impossible to answer satisfactorily from individual to individual, but I can tell you that my criteria is going to be a shit load higher than a difference of 0.05% for non-lethal complications, and I'd expect that most people would agree with that. The fact that you seem to think that a difference of 0.05% is sufficient to start chopping bits off of innocent children says a lot about you, in my opinion. To be clear, 2 boys died of the complications, a fraction on the order of 1/10^5, not even close to statistically significant.

Also if you argue with me I ask that you formulate your own posts, I think it's extremely rude to respond to someone's argument with copy pasta.

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Also if you argue with me I ask that you formulate your own posts, I think it's extremely rude to respond to someone's argument with copy pasta.

I am not going to argue "medical significance" of ANYTHING without research.

I am not a doctor, nor am i a medical professional. I will argue medical significance with MEDICAL fact... not some bullshit "i dont like it so it shouldnt be done" or "hell yea i'm for it because i like it"

i will provide FACTUAL INFORMATION for my side of the argument.

if you can't provide factual information for your side, its an opinion and its not worth a discussion about.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

I just presented you with a post full of facts that you chose to ignore You can provide facts in our own words with links for reference. The fact that you decided to zero in on the least significant part of my post tells me that you're insecure in your position, but don't want to admit that you're just plain wrong.

Tell me this: what is your problem with the idea of letting the patient decide for themselves whether or not they want their genitals to be chopped up? Why do you think it's more appropriate to force it upon an innocent child?

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
I just presented you with a post full of facts that you chose to ignore

wait.. did i miss a post or did it get deleted?

All i see is a link to a map... nothing else.

While i posted links, and quoted medical professionals on no less than 3 different websites.

I'm sorry, but your argument doesn't hold water.... "OH WONT SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN??!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?"

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

It's very telling that every time you quote me you trim out the parts of my posts that you can't or don't want to address. I'm done with this conversation unless you're willing to address my posts in their entirety, and not with strawman arguments.