DIY Circumcision

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Tell me this: what is your problem with the idea of letting the patient decide for themselves whether or not they want their genitals to be chopped up? Why do you think it's more appropriate to force it upon an innocent child?

No.. i think the medical significance far outweighs the "let them decide for themselves" factor.. Do you really think anyone over the age of 18 (the legal age of consent for life decisions) will say "ok...lets go thru a painful elective surgery" if they don't HAVE to.

It is not required by law, so it is elective surgery.

The whole "they feel pain and psychological scarring" for decades after is total bullshit.. not a single person i know walks around going "oh my poor dick... i wish it wasn't snipped 40 years ago" ... maybe if it was done in a back alleyway with a drunk bum using bathtub gin as an anastetic.. but not by a trained professional.

I speak from FACT and PERSONAL EXPERIENCE that i do not FEEL any pain from the procedure. I do NOT remember the procedure. I am NOT scarred psychologically from the procedure.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
It's very telling that every time you trim out the parts of my address. I'm done with this unless you're willing to post my address in their entirety, and not with aids.

Im bored/ a lil drunk

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
I'm done with this conversation

see ya...

no surprise, since you keep saying "ooh ooh dont mutilate the children.... wont someone please think of the children.." and i asked you "So, tell me then, what exactly is your opinion based on? Someone elses opinion? Have you been circumcized and still feel the pain? have you performed circumcision? Or have you just read an article that says its barbaric and agree with it. " and your response has been the same... parroting the "please think of the children" line..

 

[Sea Moose]

You could do your own circumcision with a hack saw.

 

[skace]

Nail Clippers?????

I'm sorry but all I can think of is:

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[SunSamurai]

Maybe he wanted a fancy design.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
As to yourself, what your parents did to you is the very definition of mutilation.

I can see why you don't agree with it.

The WHO estimates prevalence in the United States at 75% ...

The circumcision rate has declined sharply in Australia since the 1970s, leading to an age-graded fall in prevalence, with a 2000-01 survey finding 32% of those aged 16?19 years circumcised, 50% for 20?29 years and 64% for those aged 30?39 years..

Circumcision is apparently more prevalent in civilized societies, due to the health benefits.

Plus it is also religious traditions... myself, being of jewish descent, does not see anything wrong with it.

My opinion has nothing to do with how many people are mutilated at or near birth, it has to do with the barbaric practice. If there are such wonderful health benefits then it should be no problem waiting for the victim to reach an age where they can consent properly. Your religious arguments are as empty to me as a religious justification for any other heinous act.

As for the civilised world, well I think this map says more than I can. You have a strange definition of 'civilised'. North America is the outlier in that map.

Just as a quick note, I don't know why you think Australia's rate should have anything to do with my opinion. I'm not Australian, and I've never visited the country.

So Australia isn't civilized? Neither is South Korea? Hmmmmmmm...

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: skace
Nail Clippers?????

I'm sorry but all I can think of is:

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ROTFLMAO!!

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: Baked
Self mutilation FTL. What's wrong with washing your dick when you shower?

Lots of health benefits.... http://www.circinfo.net/

i mean.. if you want to get dick cancer just so you can say you're one of the cool kids who didn't get their winky chopped... go right ahead.

Do you also worry about getting struck by lightning?

The chances of getting dick cancer and getting struck by lightning are about equal. Also, male breast cancer is more common than dick cancer. Getting all your breast tissue removed, too?

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
As to yourself, what your parents did to you is the very definition of mutilation.

I can see why you don't agree with it.

The WHO estimates prevalence in the United States at 75% ...

The circumcision rate has declined sharply in Australia since the 1970s, leading to an age-graded fall in prevalence, with a 2000-01 survey finding 32% of those aged 16?19 years circumcised, 50% for 20?29 years and 64% for those aged 30?39 years..

Circumcision is apparently more prevalent in civilized societies, due to the health benefits.

Plus it is also religious traditions... myself, being of jewish descent, does not see anything wrong with it.

Prevalence is around 75-80% but among newborns, its 50-50 and dropping. We're experiencing the same drop off in rates that Australia and Canada did, albeit at a much slower rate.

Circumcision is practically unheard of in Japan and Europe. Are they uncivilized?

Circumcision is prevalent in Muslim countries, Israel, and the United States.

So you're Jewish and you like circumcision. Big deal. Why can't you be happy with the religious mandate alone? Why do you have to support the medical crap that goes along with it?

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: guyver01
http://pediatrics.aappublicati...ent/abstract/83/6/1011

The records of 136,086 boys born in US Army hospitals from 1980 to 1985 were reviewed for indexed complications related to circumcision status during the first month of life.

For 100,157 circumcised boys, there were 193 complications (0.19%).

By contrast, the complications in the 35,929 uncircumcised infants were all related to urinary tract infections. Of the 88 boys with such infections (0.24%), 32 had concomitant bacteremia, three had meningitis, two had renal failure, and two died. The frequencies of urinary tract infection (P < .0001) and bacteremia (P < .0002) were significantly higher in the uncircumcised boys.

Serious complications from routine prepuce removal are rare and relatively minor.

Circumcision may be beneficial in reducing the occurrence of urinary tract infections and their associated sequelae.

While none of these articles suggest it SAVED lives... it does say that it prevented deaths or other serious infections

Comparing full-term babies and premature babies is like comparing apples and oranges. Comparing full-term circumcised babies and intact premature babies is bad science. Premature infants have all sorts of health problems, including increased infections, and are often catheterized. People who have requent urinary catheters have more UTIs.

I don't believe he controlled for breast feeding, either. Breastfed babies have far fewer UTIs. Premature babies in the NICU in the 1980s were probably formula fed.

What's wrong with antibiotics to treat the occasional UTI? Would you be cool with cutting bits off little girls if it were found that they might have fewer UTIs?

FWIW, neither my son or my daughter have had a UTI. The doctors pressured us on circumcision for my son but we declined.

 

[Platypus]

here we go again

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
As to yourself, what your parents did to you is the very definition of mutilation.

I can see why you don't agree with it.

The WHO estimates prevalence in the United States at 75% ...

The circumcision rate has declined sharply in Australia since the 1970s, leading to an age-graded fall in prevalence, with a 2000-01 survey finding 32% of those aged 16?19 years circumcised, 50% for 20?29 years and 64% for those aged 30?39 years..

Circumcision is apparently more prevalent in civilized societies, due to the health benefits.

Plus it is also religious traditions... myself, being of jewish descent, does not see anything wrong with it.

My opinion has nothing to do with how many people are mutilated at or near birth, it has to do with the barbaric practice. If there are such wonderful health benefits then it should be no problem waiting for the victim to reach an age where they can consent properly. Your religious arguments are as empty to me as a religious justification for any other heinous act.

As for the civilised world, well I think this map says more than I can. You have a strange definition of 'civilised'. North America is the outlier in that map.

Just as a quick note, I don't know why you think Australia's rate should have anything to do with my opinion. I'm not Australian, and I've never visited the country.

Get a room over at the P&N inn. This has been discussed already in other threads. This about some goofball with nail clippers.

 

[Ricochet]

I do believe there is a valid claim about the health benefits of circumcision. Whether it is worth the extra cost associated with the procedure or the lost of sensitivity remains arguable.

From a maintenance perspective it is akin to a woman's vagina due to the extra fold of skin. There is a higher occurrence of UTI among women than men. So it's not surprising that being uncircumcised would make men more susceptible to UTI. That said, UTI is a non-issue when proper hygiene is practiced, whether a man or woman, circumcised or uncircumcised. The majority of men throughout the world and throughout history have been predominantly uncircumcised. AFAIK there hasn't been an outbreak of dick cancer.

Circumcision has always been a religious push from the early days, well before medical advances. So you can understand why some are skeptical about the medical findings which "justify" this practice. Most insurance now are not covering it and most doctors now are not really pushing it, leaving the decision open to the father.

I'm uncircumcised and have absolutely no issue with it. A couple of girls I've been with didn't even noticed. It is easy for me enough to roll back the skin. In fact I've been complimented on how extra smooth the head is. The extra sensitivity is especially great for oral. The girls who have given me fellatio say I'm a lot more responsive than their prior boyfriends who are circumcised. I'm sorry if this is a bit TMI.

An uncircumcised penis requires more maintenance but for me the trade off for a better sexual gratification/experience makes up for it.

 

[skace]

You guys keep bringing up health benefits of circumcision. But there are health benefits to not getting circumcised as well. You have to realize it's a protective layer of skin that the body feels it needs. Similar to nails and eyelids. The penis is the only area of the body where we approach the situation from "how much can we cut off without doing damage".

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: ricochet
An uncircumcised penis requires more maintenance but for me the trade off for a better sexual gratification/experience makes up for it.

Feels good man.

 

[Porter21]

Originally posted by: skace
You guys keep bringing up health benefits of circumcision. But there are health benefits to not getting circumcised as well. You have to realize it's a protective layer of skin that the body feels it needs. Similar to nails and eyelids. The penis is the only area of the body where we approach the situation from "how much can we cut off without doing damage".

Hmmmm.....