Disorders that aren't disorders

moonbogg

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Lets start with premature ejaculation. From WebMD "Most cases of premature ejaculation do not have a clear cause. With sexual experience and age, men often learn to delay orgasm."

Well no shit. Ejaculating fast seems to be advantageous for evolution, ensuring effective reproduction. Imagine if you couldn't reproduce on the dangerous savanna without having to pound her for an hour?? None of us would be here to talk about it, but suddenly this shit is a disorder?

Also, ADD is not a fucking disorder. Anything that more than 10% of our nations young boys is diagnosed with cannot be a disorder. That's what you call a racket.
 

KeithTalent

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Everything is a disorder or a disease these days.

I have apathy disorder.

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moonbogg

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So, you don't do well it todays crazy world? How would you do if your goals were to make strong, sharp weapons held together with the best animal fibers you could find, then going out a safe distance from your family and putting the surprise on some large animal as you feel the spear slice and rip through its internals. You bring it down and get help dragging it back and now you are a hero for feeding everyone. You probably wouldn't have ADD then, would you? Something tells me ADD people would be really good at shit like this.

Amazing how many disorder have developed in the last 30 years

Yeah no kidding. Mostly bullshit. Its about making money off of people who regret being human and try to fix their humanity with pills.
 

Mixolydian

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So, you don't do well it todays crazy world? How would you do if your goals were to make strong, sharp weapons held together with the best animal fibers you could find, then going out a safe distance from your family and putting the surprise on some large animal as you feel the spear slice and rip through its internals. You bring it down and get help dragging it back and now you are a hero for feeding everyone. You probably wouldn't have ADD then, would you? Something tells me ADD people would be really good at shit like this.

Uhh no. Contrary to what people think it is not a "situational" disorder.
 
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Amazing how many disorder have developed in the last 30 years

Amazing how with advances in medical science and technology we can categorize conditions much more effectively. Especially in the realm of psychological sciences which required fairly recent medical technologies in order to find the biological basis's of many different mental issues.

Is an infection suddenly a single medical issue that can't be categorized into dozens of different specific treatment regimens? Because with medical research we've been able to separate a generic "infection" into a textbook sized amount of completely different infection styles.

Just because you don't understand how medical science works, doesn't mean that its all a farce. Maybe we should go back to the days where PTSD wasn't a thing and soldiers should just "get over" shell shock.
 
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Premature does not mean a one minute wonder.

It would be in absence of penetration.
 

steppinthrax

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There are theories that suggest that many of what we call "disorders" are actually evolutionary "threads" that are not beneficial in our society. The ADHD and ADD may be beneficial during the hunter/gathers time period where deep focus wouldn't been a good idea if your hunting an animals and other potential animals may come after you!!!!

There are theories that Autism/Bi-polar/OCD/Dyslexia were evolutionary advantages...
 

moonbogg

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There are theories that suggest that many of what we call "disorders" are actually evolutionary "threads" that are not beneficial in our society. The ADHD and ADD may be beneficial during the hunter/gathers time period where deep focus wouldn't been a good idea if your hunting an animals and other potential animals may come after you!!!!

There are theories that Autism/Bi-polar/OCD/Dyslexia were evolutionary advantages...

Makes a lot more sense than "You are broken. Pay us money for your fix". Also, if society collapsed, 90% of non ADD people would die right away. I'm convinced of that. They would be too slow and too stupid, unable to process multiple things at the same time and they would get fucked.
 
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Makes a lot more sense than "You are broken. Pay us money for your fix". Also, if society collapsed, 90% of non ADD people would die right away. I'm convinced of that. They would be too slow and too stupid, unable to process multiple things at the same time and they would get fucked.

Love how you jump on fake science and completely shun real science just to prove to yourself how smarter you than everyone else.

PTSD isn't a thing. Man up and get over it. Right? Depression isn't a real thing. Just stop being sad, right?
 

destrekor

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So, you don't do well it todays crazy world? How would you do if your goals were to make strong, sharp weapons held together with the best animal fibers you could find, then going out a safe distance from your family and putting the surprise on some large animal as you feel the spear slice and rip through its internals. You bring it down and get help dragging it back and now you are a hero for feeding everyone. You probably wouldn't have ADD then, would you? Something tells me ADD people would be really good at shit like this.



Yeah no kidding. Mostly bullshit. Its about making money off of people who regret being human and try to fix their humanity with pills.

Uhh no. Contrary to what people think it is not a "situational" disorder.

Amazing how with advances in medical science and technology we can categorize conditions much more effectively. Especially in the realm of psychological sciences which required fairly recent medical technologies in order to find the biological basis's of many different mental issues.

Is an infection suddenly a single medical issue that can't be categorized into dozens of different specific treatment regimens? Because with medical research we've been able to separate a generic "infection" into a textbook sized amount of completely different infection styles.

Just because you don't understand how medical science works, doesn't mean that its all a farce. Maybe we should go back to the days where PTSD wasn't a thing and soldiers should just "get over" shell shock.

There may be over-diagnosis of ADHD and other mental health disorders, and just as likely is misdiagnosis of ADHD when a co-morbid mental disorder or a physiological health disorder is the root cause of apparent ADHD symptoms. There are many factors that psychiatrists and neurologists are still discovering, and the research and prognosis of global health improvement will only continue to improve as we as a species get a better grip on the variables and inner-workings of the convoluted neural network within the brain.

That is not to say what is getting diagnosed today is a racket, or that the disease is not a disease at all.

That's like saying Major Depression (clinical depression) or any one of the various Anxiety Disorders are not diseases at all. If you understood the neurology of the situation, all three can be manifested by misfirings and other issues with the exact same group of neurotransmitters, or at their most common, like most mental health disorders, are caused by out of balance neurotransmitter levels, such as over-expression or the opposite, or an issue with reuptake.

ADHD is a broad classification, and there are many forms it can take. A room full of people may have ADHD and few will share the same symptoms. All may need different prescriptions at different dosages to cure their specific ailment. Some may need no stimulant-class drugs at all, and may actually benefit most from chemicals that are classically antidepressants, or even hypotension drugs for some.

To say it is a natural state of the body is entirely clueless of the nature of man. Humans will succeed best when at the natural state, in nearly any environment. We are a highly adaptable creature that will adjust and make the most of any situation, when the body and brain are at their peak. ADHD runs counter to this concept, as it tends to induce issue with adaptation to a situation. Some individuals with ADHD may succeed highly if competing in nature, but they would be the exception to the rule.

The issue with the rising cases of the disease can be seen as a result of a host of reasons. First and foremost, the better understanding of the human brain and a better ability to interpret and make a correct diagnosis has been critical in this progress.

Other issues, such as environmental toxins, malnutrition, and general health issues, may lead to acute cases of ADHD. Those cases may have symptoms successfully treated by classical ADHD drugs, but treating the root cause may actually have far more lasting and permanent results.

Malnutrition, or specifically not getting enough of two specific Omega 3 fatty acids, DHA and EPA, has been implicated in mental health issues in the adolescent and adult years. When the brain is starved of key fatty acids that contribute as building blocks for neural cells, this must have an impact in some fashion. Starting Fish Oil supplements at an early age has been shown to have some success in reversing the trend, as the adolescent brain is still maturing and can be successfully repaired in some cases.

We can't necessarily do a damn thing about environmental toxins, such as exposure to lead. Lead, too, has been implicated in neural growth problems, though it is unlikely malformations formed as a result of heavy metal toxicity can be recovered so easily as taking health supplements.

Undiagnosed sleep disorders of any kind can have a detrimental effect on mental health, be it sleep apnea or any of a number of circadian rhythm disorders. Gone undiagnosed for long enough, and the resulting mental health state can perfectly resemble (and be equally as responsive to treatment, for better or worse) any of the mental health disorders.
 

destrekor

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There are theories that suggest that many of what we call "disorders" are actually evolutionary "threads" that are not beneficial in our society. The ADHD and ADD may be beneficial during the hunter/gathers time period where deep focus wouldn't been a good idea if your hunting an animals and other potential animals may come after you!!!!

There are theories that Autism/Bi-polar/OCD/Dyslexia were evolutionary advantages...

Those are called theories that, in this case, not a single member of the common body of respected scientists sees as anything other than junk science.

Most healthy people actually think, see, and react to IMPORTANT external stimuli faster than those with mental health disorders. Most healthy people can plan a complex situation better and more rapidly than those with mental health disorders.

To be efficient and friendly in the tribe is actually incredibly important, because a solo human cannot reproduce nor can they depend on others to do tasks they may not be as good at performing. And hunting and gathering is far more efficient with teams than solo. To have issues relating to others, is a serious negative mark against reproductive and evolutionary goals.


In short, this theory is bullshit and you should feel bad.
 

squarecut1

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Well no shit. Ejaculating fast seems to be advantageous for evolution, ensuring effective reproduction. Imagine if you couldn't reproduce on the dangerous savanna without having to pound her for an hour?? None of us would be here to talk about it, but suddenly this shit is a disorder?

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The evolutionary purpose of sex is reproduction. Something very hard for the modern society to understand, where sex is an industry. And a very lucrative one at that.