Discussion about ABT

[ocre]

No it doesn't...IDC specifically said he doesn't believe anyone is a "shill". By your definition Keysplayr is a shill then?

If someone gets free/subsidized hardware that doesn't automatically make them a shill. It's when they start lying or seriously bending the truth to make their hardware look better (ie. what Rollo was doing?).

Honestly, I think there are still some underlying bad feelings towards the nV camp because of the viral marketing campaign from before. People like Rollo and Wreckage did not help diffuse any anti-nV sentiment there was/is.

If there ARE actual AMD shills on this forum and are making ridiculous positive AMD and negative nV claims (which is vice versa to what some of the nV viral marketers were doing), they will be called out on it.

Are there people making ridiculous claims about how great AMD cards are? I don't see it. People may prefer one brand to the other but until you here someone saying a 5770 is a faster card than a GTX560 or whatever, you can't say they're a shill. If someone likes the hardware they have (whether they paid for it or received it free) they will most likely praise it.

i wouldnt take GPU purchase advice from keysplayr, sorry no offense to anyone.

If you really dont see "ridiculous positive AMD and negative nV claims" here then ??? If your being serious or real, look over the official gtx590 thread here. Its a great example, post after post after post. Nvidia bashing. Mind you 60% of the descrete market share is held by nvidia. Read through the official 590 nvidia bashing thread and tell me something is not off.

 

[Keysplayr]

ABT....Where banned/exiled Anandtech forum members complain about Anandtech forum members.

They have pretty comprehensive reviews also.

 

[NIGELG]

They have pretty comprehensive reviews also.

I know that....but it's just a hatefest against this forum.You even attacked me over there remember?

 

[thilanliyan]

Hard to put an exact definition of "shill" into words Thilan. So what you say here could perhaps describe one out of thousands of "different" people undercover. Just being secretive about their affilliation is probably enough deception to be considered a shill IMHO.

Yeah but if all they're doing is being secretive...who cares?

It's when they start really promoting their specific products and/or making ridiculous claims about competitor products that it becomes a problem. And if that happens they will get called out on it. It's pretty hard to make ridiculous claims these days...there will be several people in the thread who will link to information showing that they are wrong. Just my opinion...I just don't see "shills" here, specifically AMD ones in this case. There may be people who prefer one brand over the other though of course.

Heck I prefer AMD much like you've said you prefer nV, but i wouldn't consider either one of us to be "shilling" anything.

 

[Grooveriding]

Let's face it, there are likely viral marketers here. Nvidia was here viral marketing years ago and there is a good chance they are still here doing it. You may think you know who they are, but you'll never know.

Trying to decide who is and isn't will get you nowhere. Just look at the sad state of ABT, anyone who is not in the fold must be a viral marketer Worrying about it will likely lead you down the same path of self-delusion, paranoia and fanboyism you see exhibited there.

 

[Keysplayr]

Let's face it, there are likely viral marketers here. Nvidia was here viral marketing years ago and there is a good chance they are still here doing it. You may think you know who they are, but you'll never know.

Trying to decide who is and isn't will get you nowhere. Just look at the sad state of ABT, anyone who is not in the fold must be a viral marketer Worrying about it will likely lead you down the same path of self-delusion, paranoia and faboyism you see exhibited there.

Apoppin also alluded to some degree of panic in the ranks. I could see that happening right about now. Things coming to a head.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

As a person who is not affiliated with the tech industry in any way and is just an enthusiast for computer hardware I can honestly say that people who you could consider being AMD shills certainly do talk about how great AMD hardware is. The difference between them and the nvidiots on the forum is that they just focus on what's good about AMD instead of bashing the opposition.

Nvidia fans just seem to be far more negative about the opposition than people who like AMD cards.

 

[thilanliyan]

i wouldnt take GPU purchase advice from keysplayr, sorry no offense to anyone.

If you really dont see "ridiculous positive AMD and negative nV claims" here then ??? If your being serious or real, look over the official gtx590 thread here. Its a great example, post after post after post. Nvidia bashing. Mind you 60% of the descrete market share is held by nvidia. Read through the official 590 nvidia bashing thread and tell me something is not off.

Bashing nVidia or bashing the GTX590? Bashing nV is something that's gonna happen no matter what...just like there are people that don't like AMD, Intel, etc who would bash those companies. If they are bashing the GTX590 with FALSE information then there are people here who will call them out aren't there? Not every aspect of that card is positive so of course people are going to bring that up...like people who do not like the price of the 7970 or the not huge performance increase over a 580?

 

[ocre]

Let's face it, there are likely viral marketers here. Nvidia was here viral marketing years ago and there is a good chance they are still here doing it. You may think you know who they are, but you'll never know.

Trying to decide who is and isn't will get you nowhere. Just look at the sad state of ABT, anyone who is not in the fold must be a viral marketer Worrying about it will likely lead you down the same path of self-delusion, paranoia and faboyism you see exhibited there.

worse suicidal!!!

 

[ocre]

Bashing nVidia or bashing the GTX590? Bashing nV is something that's gonna happen no matter what...just like there are people that don't like AMD, Intel, etc who would bash those companies. If they are bashing the GTX590 with FALSE information then there are people here who will call them out aren't there? Not every aspect of that card is positive so of course people are going to bring that up...like people who do not like the price of the 7970 or the not huge performance increase over a 580?

did you look over it?

page after page after page?

 

[thilanliyan]

did you look over it?

page after page after page?

No, I am never going to get a dual GPU card so was not interested in the reviews, so never looked at that thread. And honestly, I'm not going to comb through that thread looking for posts that either support or go against what I was saying...I just don't have the time right now as tech is just a hobby for me (this is the most I've posted in a while). And isn't the search function borked right now? It wasn't working for me yesterday, so I'm definitely not going to search for it.

If people were providing false information in that thread then they should be reported. Did that happen?

 

[railven]

index cards?

I'm working on a flow chart too

People side with people, and that group becomes a click, and further into more until they are all deemed viral marketers.


As for the topic, Apoppin is still saying the same thing. I'm looking forward to his article. I do hope he spills them beans. I have my suspicions, but that's all they are. The index cards do not lie (That was just a joke by the way. :whiste

 

[railven]

If people were providing false information in that thread then they should be reported. Did that happen?

Exactly. I remember that thread, and I'm sure I know who which poster he is alluding to, but have the balls to say it.

All this tip-toeing just makes the accusers look worse than the accused. Then people wonder why there is no trust around here.

 

[ocre]

do what?

The 590 thread is a perfect example of: "ridiculous positive AMD and negative nV claims"

So much so it reads as a 590/nvidia sucks all hail the 6990 thread.

You dont see the reverse. The thread here was the worst gtx590 topic of any site that i have seen. It was extreme anti-nvidia pro-AMD, after like 80 pages not one good thing could be said about the 590. Thats when i asked, wth is goin on here.

Nowhere else i visited had such polarity.

 

[railven]

do what?

The 590 thread is a perfect example of: "ridiculous positive AMD and negative nV claims"

So much so it reads as a 590/nvidia sucks all hail the 6990 thread.

You dont see the reverse. The thread here was the worst gtx590 topic of any site that i have seen. It was extreme anti-nvidia pro-AMD, after like 80 pages not one good thing could be said about the 590. Thats when i asked, wth is goin on here.

Nowhere else i visited had such polarity.

I'd argue that the GTX 590 wasn't a well received card by many and a dog pile was sure to happen. Hell, I ragged on the GTX 590 jokingly to my GF since she is a green bird.

With the dog piling of Bulldozer, would you argue that the CPU forums are littered with anti-AMD shills and what not? I recall reading through almost 50 pages of negativety. Must be the same issue.

Again, why don't you just state it. Put it out there and let those that post here in on it. You have no issue doing it over at ABT.

 

[Arkadrel]

@Ocre,

Thats becaus the 590 had alot of issues. Remember the video of the card blowing up?

It was late to the party, more expensive (if I remember right), and equal/slightly slower performance. The only positive thing to say about it, was its stock cooling solution was better than the 6990, it was more "quiet" than the 6990 was.

The same can be said for the guys on the Nvidia side of the fence, the fact that it was a tiny bit less noisy, suddenly became this great big issue about the 6990.

With the dog piling of Bulldozer, would you argue that the CPU forums are littered with anti-AMD shills and what not? I recall reading through almost 50 pages of negativety. Must be the same issue.

^ this, the cpu section is just as bad or worse.
Rightly so you could argue because intel does have the topcrown performance... lot of jokes at amds expensive there, and alot of bashing for little reason.

 

[ocre]

I do not buy dual cards anyway. PPl have their preferences, i had mine. When the hd5XXX series came out, it was hands down my favorite design. I only got the 5850 but it was tops to me. I usually get the lower tiers with the best value. The 460 was another irresistible card for me, i got mine to 900mhz and it was a fun card. Wasnt too impressed with the 6XXX series, not much in the gtx 5xx for me either.

Now i see the GCN 6970 and i really think AMD has stepped up to the plate. I think the architecture is very impressive, and will be even more so when the mature it. I am currently waiting for the 7950 and have high hopes for it being a value that sucks me in. Even if kepler is faster, i still respect the work AMD put in improving their architecture and i just like the design. I want one and unless the 7950 is a dud, i will get one. When kepler arrives, if its a marvel, i will buy one of those too. I just love the technology.

 

[ocre]

@Ocre,

Thats becaus the 590 had alot of issues. Remember the video of the card blowing up?

It was late to the party, more expensive (if I remember right), and equal/slightly slower performance. The only positive thing to say about it, was its stock cooling solution was better than the 6990, it was more "quiet" than the 6990 was.

The same can be said for the guys on the Nvidia side of the fence, the fact that it was a tiny bit less noisy, suddenly became this great big issue about the 6990.

I think the switch on the 6990 was awesome, really was a neat additive. But i read tons of forums, and the 590 thread here was abnormal by far. It was a stink fest

 

[railven]

@Ocre,

Thats becaus the 590 had alot of issues. Remember the video of the card blowing up?

It was late to the party, more expensive (if I remember right), and equal/slightly slower performance. The only positive thing to say about it, was its stock cooling solution was better than the 6990, it was more "quiet" than the 6990 was.

The same can be said for the guys on the Nvidia side of the fence, the fact that it was a tiny bit less noisy, suddenly became this great big issue about the 6990.

I wouldn't even use that - to me the big extreme was the green team calling out professional reviewers for mishandling their test sample. Well known OC'ers like W1zard were now newbs and agenda driven. It was turned into a mass conspiracy angle designed to wash over clear and present design flaws with the GTX 590.

Instead of the team accepting a flawed design and demanding better, they turned to the reviewers and started accusing tech journalist of now knowing how to review a product.

EDIT: Don't forget the driver revision to prevent Volt changes on an enthusiast line product. Suddenly it was unacceptable to even want to up the volts. Nope, that was spun into a sin by team green.

So enough with all this "OMG this place is so anti-blah" If you guys haven't noticed the tides always shift when a new product is on the verge. I know, because that is when I most hit refresh around here

 

[Arkadrel]

@Ocre

I remember looking at a few forums too, and the 590 was not a good launch.
All of the forums had people posting that video of it blowing up, and it generally not well recieved in said forums.

It was turned into a mass conspiracy angle designed to wash over clear and present design flaws with the GTX 590.

EDIT: Don't forget the driver revision to prevent Volt changes on an enthusiast line product. Suddenly it was unacceptable to even want to up the volts. Nope, that was spun into a sin by team green.

^ agree'd, that to me reaked of marketing spin more than anything, going by the 590 thread.

 

[SickBeast]

You guys bashing apoppin and ABT are ridiculous. He writes some of the best reviews out there and is certainly not biased.

As for the marketing trolls, there's no real way to get rid of them. It's not like they're going to admit that they're doing it.

 

[railven]

You guys bashing apoppin and ABT are ridiculous.

His blanket statements got me involved, that and I really want to see if his accusations have merit.

He writes some of the best reviews out there and is certainly not biased.

Subjective, and I'd disagree.

As for the marketing trolls, there's no real way to get rid of them. It's not like they're going to admit that they're doing it.

Just ignore them. I don't see how the trolls are doing anything but inciting anger from posters. If people don't agree ignore them. Unless we got proof they are marketers, they are just trolls. Don't feed the trolls.

 

[Grooveriding]

So enough with all this "OMG this place is so anti-blah" If you guys haven't noticed the tides always shift when a new product is on the verge. I know, because that is when I most hit refresh around here

This is most relevant and can be examined in another way, one that explains much of the negativity and pollution in the forums.

Every time either company releases a big new card such as the 5870, 480, 6970, 580, 6990, 590, 7970 etc. the forums are aflame (literally) Every time it is the same team praising one and denigrating the other or vise versa. Here we are again with the 7970, tons of people excited about it and suddenly the forum has flamebait threads, posts and ludicrous drama threads created about un-related fodder.

It's a self-perpetuating cycle. I won't claim to be above it, because I am not. It's an inherent problem here. Flame the launch of the team's card you don't like you can count your chickens when your team of preference launches their card; you'll find yourself irate as you see that launch getting flamed in turn.

Per the 590, the card was plain bad from many's viewpoints - with the burning up and driver-patches to neuter the card. An astute observation on how all of a sudden overclocking and overvolting became taboo as well as credible reviewers and overclockers were suddenly amateurs.


As far as the cowardly innuendo with a lack of conviction to say specifics and just skulk around the barrel bottom. If you have some evidence against these nvidia or AMD viral marketers, please whoever has it, post it here for all to see. I'd love to know who they are.

 

[NIGELG]

Yeah,ABT ....post the Shills' names so we can see who they are.

 

[blackened23]

Out of curiosity, why in the heck would AMD or nvidia bother doing this kind of crap? I actually find it preposterous to think that they would bother messing with a relatively small online community and employ people to do such things. They have better things to do..like real marketing.

Help me out here, it seems ridiculous. Why would nvidia or amd hire anyone to sell 3 more gpu's? This is small pickings. Sounds ridiculous.