Discussion about ABT

[Grooveriding]

I dunno, Apoppin' was always a very very big AMD fan. I just read his preview of the 7970 (yeah a few weeks late I know), and it wasn't as bad as I would have thought from reading the quotes of it in this forum. Do I think that he's taking the "AMD focus group" cloak and daggar stuff in his forums a bit far? Probably. But, remember that he was the one who outed Rollo & Co during the stealth days for the FG, also. Maybe I don't see it so much b/c I'm not on VC&G as much as I used to be, and I probably do have a small bias for AMD (even though I'm currently all NV due to stupid crazy deals like $180 gtx 480's), but I have seen a few threads recently where long-time, unbiased members like RussianSensation get blasted for posting what look to me to be pretty unbiased statements/links/thoughts. I have to admit that there were times that the "good old days" were kinda fun, but we also ran off a lot of good members over the years b/c of crap like that.

So be warned, you psycho Red (and Green) Team members. Some of us still care about these forums and aren't going to let you come in here for 6 months, build up 900 posts, and trash anybody who doesn't use the right-colored tint on his glasses. :ninja:

I'm well aware of how apoppin used to really rally for ATI. I remember him having a 2900 and praising it when that card was terribly poor compared to what nvidia had at the time. I think he also had a 3XXX series and had acclaim for what was also a bad series of cards.

I'm not addressing the past though, my comments are referring to the present and current. My opinions on the nature of his reviews of late are of course subjective. But it is no stretch to say tech sites can show heavy bias and of late, in my opinion, his is rife with it.

What is not subjective is the putrid accusations and maniacal rantings, not if you are rational and not if you are one of the targets here at Anand for the lunacy he is spouting over there. That behaviour is going to colour the entire cloth. As an editor it is grossly unprofessional if this is his vocation.

As a forum poster you have a lot of latitude to just come in and post whatever you please and at times be a bit snarky or have your preferences. When was the last time you saw one of the writers for a tech site come to their forum or anothers and go off like that ? He's not behaving like a professional or an editor, he's ranting like a zealot such as Wreckage. I think he is obviously spurned he didn't get his 7970 and has gone off on a tear and is projecting rather than taking a look closer to home or somewhere more realistic for why he's been cut off.

Again as a target of his fantasies you're going to take it differently. I'm not surprised by being targeted. Before he spewed that trash I've said his reviews are largely biased as late. That's quite the leap he took going from said to opinion to thinking what he's been saying now. It will all come out in the wash. He's only going to embaress himself now and obliterate his credibility as a journalist. He's said he has proof of his ramblings and wants to write an article. Either he's going to write an innuendo piece with nothing concrete or he won't write anything at all and it will be clear he was raving in the weeds from the get go.

Note I speak of this in reference to his accusations against me. I despise viral marketing, so if he has something tangible, I'd be the first one to appreciate him outing them. I still think it's going on here as well but accept that there is no way to know exactly who is doing it and it's not worth even considering who it is as you'll cloud your judgment with something you can't verify. I'd rather not have this forum be a source of consternation and a riddle to be deciphered rather than a casual place to have on a firefox tab and read/post in through the day.

Per Russian:

I certainly hope Russian has not departed these forums. He was easily the most enthusiastic about video cards and non-biased at the same time in his postings. All his post were well thought-out and he made the best arguments I've seen in VC&G. He's also from the same city I live in and that counts for bonus points where we live :thumbsup:

 

[JSt0rm]

I certainly hope Russian has not departed these forums. He was easily the most enthusiastic about video cards and non-biased at the same time in his postings. All his post were well thought-out and he made the best arguments I've seen in VC&G. He's also from the same city I live in and that counts for bonus points where we live :thumbsup:

And yet I dont think he ever posted in the videogames forum. :hmm::hmm:

It makes you think to see SO many screen names battling with each other day in and day out and they never talk about actually playing videogames.

 

[railven]

I agree with a lot of this, but one thing I don't is that I don't remember seeing an "abrasive" post from RussianSensation. Maybe it was there and I missed it, maybe he got pissed off when he got dogpiled by a posse of red-teamers, but I literally have never seen him be abrasive at all. Does he post the truth as he sees it, as many of the rest of us do? Sure he does. But to throw him into the same boat as happy medium is ludicrous.

So you agree that Medium was a little more passionate than Russian in terms of rooting for one team?

Just so you know, I'm not the one that put them on the same boat. It was actually tviceman over at ABT, in a response to one of your posts:

You, happymedium, and russian sensation are probably the 3 most common posters that do a great job of being intelligent but happy has disappeared and Russian has also disappeared after being relentlessly attacked for stating that he thought the hd7970 underwhelmed him overall.

I have respect for Russian, but he was proven wrong his tactic of throw little insults and then editing them showed me a side of him I'd wish I hadn't seen. He was proven wrong and instead of admitting to it and just letting it go, he kept fighting it, he kept making insults, he kept editing the insults out, and then he just disappeared.

And I'm sure you'll ask me for proof, but sorry I don't screen grab every little post. However, Mrk6 did and you can see in the screen grab RS original inflammatory post and then in the thread the edit. I'll fetch it for you....

EDIT: Here is the screen grab post:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30730114&postcount=68

Here is that post the way you find it now:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30730038&postcount=63

You'll see a very huge difference in how he worded his argument.

 

[GaiaHunter]

And yet I dont think he ever posted in the videogames forum. :hmm::hmm:

It makes you think to see SO many screen names battling with each other day in and day out and they never talk about actually playing videogames.

Can't really discount specialized forums.

I only have a few posts on AT pc gaming forums and I have thousands posts on guildwarsguru forum. Likewise of those posts on guildwarsguru only a few are in the hardware section of it.

Although I suspect that for many, games are mostly a way of seeing the gpu working, or at least a majority of games is - for example most of my gaming time is spent on games that 5+ year old gpus would have no problem rendering.

 

[Grooveriding]

And yet I dont think he ever posted in the videogames forum. :hmm::hmm:

It makes you think to see SO many screen names battling with each other day in and day out and they never talk about actually playing videogames.

I think some people just like having a nice PC and that by virtue means having a discreet video card of some decency. Others may lose their passion for gaming as they get older but keep the passion for the hardware, or the gaming led them into being passionate about the hardware.

Some may just be casual gamers. Who knows. I post in PC Gaming second to my posting in VC&G, a far off second. I also get ribbed by my wife and friends for spending too much time playing games at my age. So who knows :ninja: I will say PC Gaming does not have much back and forth there, all the conflict is directed at console games/gamers usually

I know what you are saying though. If you have a big beefy setup that really has no use beyond gaming ( there is folding or bitcoining), don't you love games to use all that hardware with ?

 

[3DVagabond]

I think this whole thread lends more credence to the accusations from ABT than they deserve (Which is none). Anyone who wants to discuss what's said on ABT should go there and do it, IMO.

 

[ocre]

Maybe you should read my post more. I'm telling you how it played out here. It wasn't an issue when overclocking other cards. In fact, do you recall the issue when GTX 460 overclocked cards showed up on the HD 68xx launch review? Then the nVidia team loved it. When OC was used on the GTX 590 and it fizzled, suddenly the nVidia team hated OCing.

The lines started be drawn between changing volts. I see you posting over at ABT yet you don't even have the gallstones to say what you say there here. How cowardly.

And yet, I'm a liar? Prove me wrong. You'll only find my recollection of those events to be accurate.

Notice my post is specifically about the GTX 590, not "nvidia cards." Now who's spinning?

gallstones? wth? i posted there, i posted here, i post where ever i want. So! stop your drifting and diverting.

back to the 590 and your false claims.

You said:

"driver revision to prevent Volt changes on an enthusiast line product."

When did that happen? I never seen anything on this.

Also about me spinning.....i was still talking about the 590 and any other video card from nvidia. To my knowledge they never had a revision that prevented Volt changes for any of their cards! Now you can specifically put "gtx590" in place of where i said nvidia cards and it changes nothing. I was broadening it to include all cards not to spin the 590 out of the debate. This should make it easier for you claiming nvidia prevented voltage changes. Most every single review of the 590 had overclocking to this day.

so you made the claim:
"driver revision to prevent Volt changes on an enthusiast line product."

prove it or admit to your attempt at misinformation.

 

[railven]

gallstones? wth? i posted there, i posted here, i post where ever i want. So! stop your drifting and diverting.

back to the 590 and your false claims.

You said:

"driver revision to prevent Volt changes on an enthusiast line product."

When did that happen? I never seen anything on this.

I'm not going to link you ever post, but just this quick search:
https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy....,cf.osb&fp=5ac088929e1bc45b&biw=1920&bih=947
First non-youtube link:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=197407
Official nVidia forums, first post

Hi everyone.

I would like to ask, know how can the "voltage" lock from the latest 267.91 & 270.51 drivers can be removed.
I have a GTX590 cooled with an EK waterblock. Now I understand the reason this lock "appeared". Some people haven't read
the official specs on the card and went overvolting like INSANE... it was only natural what happened next.
But I for one (among other suffer). I know that the upper margin for the VDDC is 0.963V but unfortunatelly I cannot go there anymore. Instead I am locked at 0.913V lower than 0.938V which is the officil vcore voltage.

So...does anyone know how to remove the votage lock on these drivers? If nVidia is reading this...at least set the upper margin as high if offficially supported within the stability domain (0.963V) as it is a waste to able to overclock only 33Mhz on the core and still be stable. (Hell, even my GTX295 supported 25% overclock if done right...)

Best regards

Also about me spinning.....i was still talking about the 590 and any other video card from nvidia. To my knowledge they never had a revision that prevented Volt changes for any of their cards! Now you can specifically put "gtx590" in place of where i said nvidia cards and it changes nothing. I was broadening it to include all cards not to spin the 590 out of the debate. This should make it easier for you claiming nvidia prevented voltage changes. Most every single review of the 590 had overclocking to this day.

I was referring specifically ONLY to the GTX 590 in my example because during that launch and the frying of GTX 590's by some reviewers, suddenly overclocking through volts was a no-no. Team Green painted those reviewers as newbs not knowing what they are doing some to the point of requesting they stop reviewing products.

You are the one that used the GTX 590 thread as your example for Pro/Con-one side, yet you don't recall the arguments? Interesting.

so you made the claim:
"driver revision to prevent Volt changes on an enthusiast line product."

prove it or admit to your attempt at misinformation.

I provided one link, if you want more just Google GTX 590 volt lock, you'll see it pop up. A lot. EDIT: If you want to play semantics on my wording, I'll specific - it was a software update, not a hardware revision.

EDIT: Ah, one more link:
http://www.vortez.net/news_story/core_voltage_limit_imposed_on_gtx_590.html

Default 0.938V locked down in latest 267.91 drivers

It has emerged that Nvidia have decided to lock down the core voltage of the new GTX 590 in their latest driver package. BETA drivers are also affected. This is most likely a reaction to the reports of GTX 590 cards exploding, though the main video showing this is now suspected to be a staged event of a replacement card being overvolted for the camera and no doubt thousands of internet hits.

You can argue the credibility of that source if you wish.

 

[BFG10K]

I like apoppin and bfg. I wouldnt see them doing that on purpose but people in desperate situations may do desperate things and we already know nvidia will push misinformation to suit them.

FYI - I haven't been affiliated with ABT for over a year.

 

[Arzachel]

gallstones? wth? i posted there, i posted here, i post where ever i want. So! stop your drifting and diverting.

back to the 590 and your false claims.

You said:

"driver revision to prevent Volt changes on an enthusiast line product."

When did that happen? I never seen anything on this.

Also about me spinning.....i was still talking about the 590 and any other video card from nvidia. To my knowledge they never had a revision that prevented Volt changes for any of their cards! Now you can specifically put "gtx590" in place of where i said nvidia cards and it changes nothing. I was broadening it to include all cards not to spin the 590 out of the debate. This should make it easier for you claiming nvidia prevented voltage changes. Most every single review of the 590 had overclocking to this day.

so you made the claim:
"driver revision to prevent Volt changes on an enthusiast line product."

prove it or admit to your attempt at misinformation.

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/20711

The biggest news on this front, in our view, is that Nvidia has put the clamps on GTX 590 voltage in its drivers. We shot down a rumor last week that the public-release 267.91 drivers somehow reduced the performance of a stock-clocked GTX 590. They simply do not. However, we've since learned Nvidia has capped the voltage at the default 938 mV on GTX 590 cards starting in release 267.91. We've confirmed that the latest 270.51 betas will not allow us to raise our GTX 590's voltage at all using MSI's Afterburner utility.

EDIT:Woops, beaten by railven

 

[Will Robinson]

NVDA's Focus group and viral marketers exist. see..(The History of the Internet)
AMD doesn't have similar or support people to shill their hardware.
I for one would love to see Appopin name names or explain how I'dontCare has a "list" of AMD shills here.
I read IDC's denial of that a few pages ago....seems pretty clear to me.

 

[bryanW1995]

So you agree that Medium was a little more passionate than Russian in terms of rooting for one team?

Just so you know, I'm not the one that put them on the same boat. It was actually tviceman over at ABT, in a response to one of your posts:

I have respect for Russian, but he was proven wrong his tactic of throw little insults and then editing them showed me a side of him I'd wish I hadn't seen. He was proven wrong and instead of admitting to it and just letting it go, he kept fighting it, he kept making insults, he kept editing the insults out, and then he just disappeared.

And I'm sure you'll ask me for proof, but sorry I don't screen grab every little post. However, Mrk6 did and you can see in the screen grab RS original inflammatory post and then in the thread the edit. I'll fetch it for you....

EDIT: Here is the screen grab post:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30730114&postcount=68

Here is that post the way you find it now:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30730038&postcount=63

You'll see a very huge difference in how he worded his argument.

If I'd been involved in that conversation I probably would have left up the unedited post, but I'm a bit more abrasive than most. And you have to admit that the person he was referencing has been known to post a lot of junk without proof, while to the best of my knowledge RussianSensation is one of the best that we have here at actually documenting his information.

Regardless, how does any of that make him a paid nvidia employee? Certainly you can provide something better than "he edited out a mild insult" as proof, right?

 

[BFG10K]

Finally: 2008 called and said to stop benching with an i7-920. Get in touch with me and i'll set you up with a processor that isn't years old!

His processor's fine, especially in that heavily overclocked state. CPU requirements are still vastly overblown by the “OCC to get my MARK” crowd. At reasonable detail levels the GPU system will generally be the primary bottleneck.

Nobody games at 1680x1050 with no AA on a rig with expensive graphics hardware; certainly not someone that shelled down $1000 for a Sandy Bridge E.

I used to run a dual core E6850 at stock and I was repeatedly told over the internet that I was CPU bottlenecked in my articles. So I ran some tests with it underclocked to 2 GHz, and basically none of the scores moved. That pissed off a lot of people because it showed I was right.

 

[bryanW1995]

I think some people just like having a nice PC and that by virtue means having a discreet video card of some decency. Others may lose their passion for gaming as they get older but keep the passion for the hardware, or the gaming led them into being passionate about the hardware.

Some may just be casual gamers. Who knows. I post in PC Gaming second to my posting in VC&G, a far off second. I also get ribbed by my wife and friends for spending too much time playing games at my age. So who knows :ninja: I will say PC Gaming does not have much back and forth there, all the conflict is directed at console games/gamers usually

I know what you are saying though. If you have a big beefy setup that really has no use beyond gaming ( there is folding or bitcoining), don't you love games to use all that hardware with ?

RussianSensation scores a ton of points for the AT DC team. There's a core group of us that go after nice hardware mostly for the sake of more ppd. I'm probably one of the very few who actually has the gall to use one of his high end rigs to "gasp" play games.

 

[railven]

If I'd been involved in that conversation I probably would have left up the unedited post, but I'm a bit more abrasive than most. And you have to admit that the person he was referencing has been known to post a lot of junk without proof, while to the best of my knowledge RussianSensation is one of the best that we have here at actually documenting his information.

Regardless, how does any of that make him a paid nvidia employee? Certainly you can provide something better than "he edited out a mild insult" as proof, right?

And this is why we go down these twirling paths and people get into fights. I never called him a paid poster. I stated my opinion on Russian and here you are defending him by slamming another. What does that say of you? Fair game to throw one person under the bus if it spares someone you like?

For the record, I said I found Russian's post very informative. I just happen to see a side of him (scroll up the wording is almost exact) I wish I hadn't seen. It painted him in a bad color. And the person you are now accusing of posting a "a lot of junk without proof" has proven himself on multiple occasions. It just happen he understood the subject matter better than Russian did and unfortunately Russian took that personal and responded poorly.

Please note again - I didn't call him an nVidia employee. Double check who you are responding to. I already made an ass of myself earlier in this thread by not doing just that haha.

 

[Arkadrel]

I think this whole thread lends more credence to the accusations from ABT than they deserve (Which is none). Anyone who wants to discuss what's said on ABT should go there and do it, IMO.

^ my opinion
Appopin is off his rocker, and on a witch hunt.

Which is extremly professional for a guy that runs a hardware review site.

 

[bryanW1995]

gallstones? wth? i posted there, i posted here, i post where ever i want. So! stop your drifting and diverting.

back to the 590 and your false claims.

You said:

"driver revision to prevent Volt changes on an enthusiast line product."

When did that happen? I never seen anything on this.

Also about me spinning.....i was still talking about the 590 and any other video card from nvidia. To my knowledge they never had a revision that prevented Volt changes for any of their cards! Now you can specifically put "gtx590" in place of where i said nvidia cards and it changes nothing. I was broadening it to include all cards not to spin the 590 out of the debate. This should make it easier for you claiming nvidia prevented voltage changes. Most every single review of the 590 had overclocking to this day.

so you made the claim:
"driver revision to prevent Volt changes on an enthusiast line product."

prove it or admit to your attempt at misinformation.

A driver came out AND even before that NV strongly recommending against any but the mildest form of overvolting, even on water:

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2011/03/25/geforce-gtx-590s-can-explode/1

That was the first link that came up when I googled: "Nvidia recommends not overvolting gtx 590"

 

[GaiaHunter]

The 6990 and GTX590 were very fun releases.

First AMD caught well deserved flak for releasing a card with a setting AMD didn't guarantee - if AMD cant guarantee a setting it shouldn't release the card wuth that setting.

Of course many that criticized that move were also the ones that kept saying pretty much all the GTX460 were going to reach monster overclocks.

And then came the GTX590 that apparently would burn instead of shutdown. Obviously this was exaggerated but caused such much mayhem and bad PR that NVIDIA in the end removed the ability to go over a certain voltage, 0.963v.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1063263/gtx-590-flashing-overclocking-thread <- a nice thread about GTX590 OC/OV

So in the end we ended with a card that got bashed for allowing easy OC/OV, with a simple flick of a switch but made you lose the guaranty (although some AIB guaranteed it) and a card bashed because it didn't let you OC/OV freely.

 

[ocre]

I'm not going to link you ever post, but just this quick search:
https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy....,cf.osb&fp=5ac088929e1bc45b&biw=1920&bih=947
First non-youtube link:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=197407
Official nVidia forums, first post


I was referring specifically ONLY to the GTX 590 in my example because during that launch and the frying of GTX 590's by some reviewers, suddenly overclocking through volts was a no-no. Team Green painted those reviewers as newbs not knowing what they are doing some to the point of requesting they stop reviewing products.

You are the one that used the GTX 590 thread as your example for Pro/Con-one side, yet you don't recall the arguments? Interesting.



I provided one link, if you want more just Google GTX 590 volt lock, you'll see it pop up. A lot. EDIT: If you want to play semantics on my wording, I'll specific - it was a software update, not a hardware revision.

EDIT: Ah, one more link:
http://www.vortez.net/news_story/core_voltage_limit_imposed_on_gtx_590.html


You can argue the credibility of that source if you wish.

why would i? did they ever allow overvolting again? a guy i know has his 590 overclocked and overvolted. He says he never had issues overvolting??

i wouldnt buy a 590 nor a 6990. I only know what i am told, he still insist he is overvolted and has no problems. So whats up with that?

 

[bryanW1995]

NVDA's Focus group and viral marketers exist. see..(The History of the Internet)
AMD doesn't have similar or support people to shill their hardware.
I for one would love to see Appopin name names or explain how I'dontCare has a "list" of AMD shills here.
I read IDC's denial of that a few pages ago....seems pretty clear to me.

It wasn't actually clear to me at all. Read IDC's posts, it looks to me that he actually does think that there are people getting free gear from major companies (possibly including AMD) and not disclosing it/mentioning it at all, while at the same time those people are pushing that company's products. Guys, that's the definition of a shill. After reading this (and many other recent) threads, I'd have to say that it's highly likely that we have a few NV and AMD shills here to go along with the vast majority of us who just like talking about VC&G and may or may not have a particular brand preference. Having said that, AMD is generally 5 steps behind NV, and their marketing dept is clearly in shambles currently, so if they did have any sort of old school FG-type program running I'd be shocked if it's still actually in effect today.

 

[bryanW1995]

His processor's fine, especially in that heavily overclocked state. CPU requirements are still vastly overblown by the “OCC to get my MARK” crowd. At reasonable detail levels the GPU system will generally be the primary bottleneck.

Nobody games at 1680x1050 with no AA on a rig with expensive graphics hardware; certainly not someone that shelled down $1000 for a Sandy Bridge E.

I used to run a dual core E6850 at stock and I was repeatedly told over the internet that I was CPU bottlenecked in my articles. So I ran some tests with it underclocked to 2 GHz, and basically none of the scores moved. That pissed off a lot of people because it showed I was right.

I remember that entire controversy, and you were vindicated completely at the time. I have seen myself, however, that some newer games are a bit more cpu-bound than the games that you've tested in the past. But an i7 920 with a decent OC is as fast as a 2600k in games, so in this particular case the point is moot.

 

[Arkadrel]

why would i? did they ever allow overvolting again? a guy i know has his 590 overclocked and overvolted. He says he never had issues overvolting??

i wouldnt buy a 590 nor a 6990. I only know what i am told, he still insist he is overvolted and has no problems. So whats up with that?

I think it was something like this that happend:

Nvidia wasnt sure at the time, if their 590 has issues they didnt know about.
They locked things in drivers (which they lateron unlocked). And made a recammendation not to overclock them.

They tested their own cards, to make sure it wasnt common they all burned/caught fire, when overclocked.
They didnt find any such, and then unlocked things in drivers again.

he still insist he is overvolted and has no problems. So whats up with that?

He probably is now, but at a time, near the release he wouldnt have been able to.

 

[bryanW1995]

And this is why we go down these twirling paths and people get into fights. I never called him a paid poster. I stated my opinion on Russian and here you are defending him by slamming another. What does that say of you? Fair game to throw one person under the bus if it spares someone you like?

For the record, I said I found Russian's post very informative. I just happen to see a side of him (scroll up the wording is almost exact) I wish I hadn't seen. It painted him in a bad color. And the person you are now accusing of posting a "a lot of junk without proof" has proven himself on multiple occasions. It just happen he understood the subject matter better than Russian did and unfortunately Russian took that personal and responded poorly.

Please note again - I didn't call him an nVidia employee. Double check who you are responding to. I already made an ass of myself earlier in this thread by not doing just that haha.

Russian and happymedium are both clearly on nvidia's payroll!

Sorry Railven, I got you and blackened23 mixed up.

You were right that the original statement was probably a bit abrasive, but again, the fact that he edited it shows that he's classier than many others in this forum. Myself included. As stated, I probably wouldn't have edited it at all, especially after the relentless attacks that he's suffered recently from the pro-AMD fanbase.

 

[railven]

why would i? did they ever allow overvolting again? a guy i know has his 590 overclocked and overvolted. He says he never had issues overvolting??

i wouldnt buy a 590 nor a 6990. I only know what i am told, he still insist he is overvolted and has no problems. So whats up with that?

So now the story changes? All I said was they locked it, you said you don't recall that ever happening. That was one of the big back-and-forth issues during that thread.

Your friend might be using a driver where the limitation doesn't exist? Or he could have found a hack? Ask your friend, not me.

Point is that limitation was put in place, whether you remember it or not.

 

[ocre]

I think it was something like this that happend:

Nvidia wasnt sure at the time, if their 590 has issues they didnt know about.
They locked things in drivers (which they lateron unlocked). And made a recammendation not to overclock them.

They tested their own cards, to make sure it wasnt common they all burned/caught fire, when overclocked. They didnt find any such, and then unlocked things in drivers again.

yea i see you can still overvolt them now:
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m...e=1&amp;print=true
I wasnt aware they stopped overvolting for any time on the 590. I never owned such a card and a guy i know was like, "my 590 is overvolted np!!! all day long, bla bla"

I seriously thought it was totally BS, apparently i was mistaken and apologize. Who wouldve thought they wouldve stopped overvolting and then allowed it again.