Discuss - "Learn to Live with the other half"

[compcons]

I was just reading an article where it said it took modern humans 100,000 years to wipe out the Neanderthals.

Well shit, now I'm depressed that we won't get rid of dumb fuck conservatives in my life time.

It's been asked before without an aswer" Why is the left being held to higher standards than the right?" Like always.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The blue wave didn’t happen. Newsweek is reporting that Trump gained the highest % of nonwhite voters in 60 years and doubled LGBTQ support from 2016. The only demographic he didn’t gain with was white men. Trump will lose this election, but the populism that fueled his political fortunes will continue to resonate. It’s not just a rural/urban divide, that is just a lazy us/them narrative.

 

[compcons]

...and doubled LGBTQ support from 2016....

So "was Bruce" Jenner found someone else to go vote with him/her bringing that number up to 4?

 

[fskimospy]

I strongly agree that the US would be well served by some sort of internal peace corps where urban and rural people were intermixed. It’s probably one of our best hopes to stop this destructive polarization.

That being said, the issue in America today is that we now are on the cusp of permanent minority rule. This is something that is fundamentally destructive to society. If anything rural areas need to understand they are a minority and understand that means they don’t always get their way.

 

[fskimospy]

The blue wave didn’t happen. Newsweek is reporting that Trump gained the highest % of nonwhite voters in 60 years and doubled LGBTQ support from 2016. The only demographic he didn’t gain with was white men. Trump will lose this election, but the populism that fueled his political fortunes will continue to resonate. It’s not just a rural/urban divide, that is just a lazy us/them narrative.

The blue wave absolutely happened. Joe Biden will get the most votes for president in history by far. A smaller red wave happened too though.

As far as the idea that Trump gained among all demos that’s just laughably false. I don’t know where you got your information from.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So "was Bruce" Jenner found someone else to go vote with him/her bringing that number up to 4?

The Newsweek article cites exit polling indicating 28% of Trump’s total votes, up from 14% in 2016.

 

[balloonshark]

Until they see the lies and misinformation their fed which trigger their fear and anger there is no hope to reach these people. A person operating off of negative emotions is not a rational person. Their anger and fear is triggered when they hear words like socialism, climate change, green energy, healthcare, etc. Once they are triggered it's game over and they won't listen to a thing you have to say. Salvation is a journey they have to take themselves. I'm speaking from experience.

 

[theeedude]

I think we all know what the next 2 years are going to look like. Obstruction, shutdowns, Republicans pretending to care about deficits, debt ceiling fights, blocked nominations, SCOTUS gutting voting rights and other civil rights.
Rapid collapse has been avoided, but managed decline of the US for the benefit of the rich elites continues will continue. Then the people who voted for the party causing it will blame Joe Biden and elect another authoritarian who'll accelerate it even further.
The beatings will continue until morale improves. You can blame us coastal elites, fine, but if you are voting Republican, we can't help you.

 

[nickqt]

I think we all know what the next 2 years are going to look like. Obstruction, shutdowns, Republicans pretending to care about deficits, debt ceiling fights, blocked nominations, SCOTUS gutting voting rights and other civil rights.
Rapid collapse has been avoided, but managed decline of the US for the benefit of the rich elites continues will continue. Then the people who voted for the party causing it will blame Joe Biden and elect another authoritarian who'll accelerate it even further.
The beatings will continue until morale improves. You can blame us coastal elites, fine, but if you are voting Republican, we can't help you.

The country might just keep it's head above water for the next two years, as the oligarchs amp up their looting before a potential total collapse.

 

[hal2kilo]

I strongly agree that the US would be well served by some sort of internal peace corps where urban and rural people were intermixed. It’s probably one of our best hopes to stop this destructive polarization.

That being said, the issue in America today is that we now are on the cusp of permanent minority rule. This is something that is fundamentally destructive to society. If anything rural areas need to understand they are a minority and understand that means they don’t always get their way.

Whatever happened to Americore? It's AmeriCorps, and it still seems to be in existence.

AmeriCorps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[MrSquished]

Absolutely fuck anyone that voted for Trump after seeing him in action for four years. They can eat shit as far as I'm concerned.

 

[pmv]

from what I've seen they're still around on the right.

Maybe not for a lot longer?

Neanderthal genes increase risk of serious Covid-19, study claims

Strand of DNA inherited by modern humans is linked to likelihood of falling severely ill

www.theguardian.com

 

[nOOky]

The blue wave didn’t happen. Newsweek is reporting that Trump gained the highest % of nonwhite voters in 60 years and doubled LGBTQ support from 2016. The only demographic he didn’t gain with was white men. Trump will lose this election, but the populism that fueled his political fortunes will continue to resonate. It’s not just a rural/urban divide, that is just a lazy us/them narrative.

Blame Republicans for voting Trump out, the data shows how. Although they still voted red for their local and state races (hence the lack of a blue wave for the senate or house) they voted Biden for the big race. Republicans voting blue up and down the ticket didn't happen.

 

[pmv]

At first glance that seems a rather self-contradictory article. It emphasises how tough the fight is, given the great strength of the entrenched opposition, and then it says that means you shouldn't fight, and should give up on all the weapons that one could use against that strength of opposition. Effectively declaring that actually putting up a fight would be being 'too radical'. It seems to be saying 'the fight looks tough, give up and surrender immediately'.

At best one could agree that it is important to look at _why_ the opposition is so strong.

 

[pauldun170]

Reminded of this and needed a thread to dump it in
Doing it here

 

[pmv]

The blue wave didn’t happen. Newsweek is reporting that Trump gained the highest % of nonwhite voters in 60 years and doubled LGBTQ support from 2016. The only demographic he didn’t gain with was white men. Trump will lose this election, but the populism that fueled his political fortunes will continue to resonate. It’s not just a rural/urban divide, that is just a lazy us/them narrative.

Some of that sounds like regression to the mean. If the numbers are very small to start with, even random change is likely to mean they go up slightly. Conversely he had nowhere to go but down with white men.

But I guess he has different axes of evil he can employ - an LGBTQ person might think he serves their interests as a white person more than he damages them on other axes. And a black guy might regard patriarchy as more important to him than anti-racism.

 

[brandonbull]

The left just got crushed

How Democrats turned out the Republican vote

theweek.com

This article, and a few other facebook posts I've seen, talk about how Democrats should recognize that half the country disagrees with them.
I don't disagree with the author's premise, but the problem I do have is that this argument is only ever levied against Democrats and not Republicans. The logic the author is using applies in both directions, and yet Mitch Mcconnell and Lindsay Graham were not unseated for being massive hypocrites.

Arguably, Republicans are even electorally rewarded for being extreme, while Democrats going far left (which is nowhere near "far left" in the rest of the world) is a bridge too far.

What's P&N think?

Democrats will never get that. Since they are have some unfounded superiority complex, the constant need to tell minorities what to think, how to act, and lash out at the deplorables fuels their fragile ego and fills the empty void that is their life.

 

[TheVrolok]

Reminded of this and needed a thread to dump it in
Doing it here

Such a great show.

 

[TheVrolok]

Democrats will never get that. Since they are have some unfounded superiority complex, the constant need to tell minorities what to think, how to act, and lash out at the deplorables fuels their fragile ego and fills the empty void that is their life.

Admittedly, it is a challenge for me to be comfortable with a group of people continuing to vote against their own self interests based on a massive foundation of lies. It's not rage, it's pity. If you want to be enraged that I feel badly for you because you fall for lies and are actively self sabotaging, I guess that's fine.

 

[Jaskalas]

It's not rage, it's pity.

When a Trump former Senior Advisor says Dr. Fauci needs to be beheaded....
When Sean Hannity of Fox News says people should be angry over the worst and most corrupt system....

I have a bone to pick with the American Taliban as they become that in every literal sense of the word. This week is the first time they have enraged me, but I am seething mad as they directly challenge the existence of our Democracy with a #fakevote narrative. Where they both directly and indirectly call for violence.

 

[TheVrolok]

When a Trump former Senior Advisor says Dr. Fauci needs to be beheaded....
When Sean Hannity of Fox News says people should be angry over the worst and most corrupt system....

I have a bone to pick with the American Taliban as they become that in every literal sense of the word. This week is the first time they have enraged me, but I am seething mad as they directly challenge the existence of our Democracy with a #fakevote narrative. Where they both directly and indirectly call for violence.

Fair. I do feel similarly about calls for violence.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The Dems have tried subsidizing roads, power grids, telephone service, schools, hospitals, farms, ranches, logging, mining, and just about every aspect of rural life and are despised for it. Maybe stop pandering to what Dems think rural folks need and start pandering to what they say they want is a more reasonable approach. Cut off the welfare state for folks who claim to hate it and they might vote for you.

This adds up.

 

[HomerJS]

The blue wave didn’t happen. Newsweek is reporting that Trump gained the highest % of nonwhite voters in 60 years and doubled LGBTQ support from 2016. The only demographic he didn’t gain with was white men. Trump will lose this election, but the populism that fueled his political fortunes will continue to resonate. It’s not just a rural/urban divide, that is just a lazy us/them narrative.

I heard this morning Trump got 35% of the Muslim vote. Did they forget Trump tried to ban them from this country and wanted a Muslim registry? Do people have that short of a memory or are they that stupid? Am I off base with that?

Same with LGBTQ people. Trump and Republicans were campaigning to actively take away their rights. WTF??

 

[Majes]

I'll give my personal opinion on this...
Most of you in this forum constantly overestimate the abilities and intelligence of the American populace. Just by being here and forming coherent sentences in your posts you are above the average American's writing and critical thinking abilities.

The media has complete control over the average American. So essentially the typical American voter is either voting against Fascism or against Socialism. These aren't even terms that they understand, but they are terms they've been taught to fear.

Are you ever going to come to terms or understand the people who are racist or who do want Trump as a fascist dictator? Of course not. But being a moderate conservative and knowing many moderate conservatives I know it's possible to have good conversations with many of you and many of us have been convinced not to vote Trump.

Don't give up on half the country when it's more important than ever to try to have those conversations that bridge the gap. Also, if you truly think that all Trump voters are racist or fascist then I'd encourage you to reexamine your own beliefs or maybe just talk to some different people.

 

[Ken g6]

I heard this morning Trump got 35% of the Muslim vote. Did they forget Trump tried to ban them from this country and wanted a Muslim registry? Do people have that short of a memory or are they that stupid? Am I off base with that?

Same with LGBTQ people. Trump and Republicans were campaigning to actively take away their rights. WTF??

Interesting. I was just thinking that the religious mindset is leading people to believe so many lies from Republicans that it's hard for the rest of the country to find common ground with them. If someone believes ${religious_thing} based solely on faith, without evidence, then they seem to be more likely to believe a politician who tells them, for instance, that ${scientific_fact} is a hoax and a conspiracy, based solely on faith, ignoring the evidence. I don't know what to do about that.