Discriminating someone based on seuxal orientation...

MAME

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So some member on the forums got very angry with me because he hates gays and I told him that everyone should be treated equally.

My arguement is that there's no difference between hating someone based on sexual preference or hating someone based on race. (His arguement was to cuss at me, heh). See here's the key point: hating someone based on race is unfair because the person can't choose what ethnicity they are. Now, I argue that MANY gays do NOT choose to be gay, much like most of you don't choose to be heterosexual.

Many gays have expereienced trauma or are believed have a chemical imbalance in their brains that causes them to be gay. Therefore it's not their choice, it's who they are. And because of that key reason, I find it highly unfair to discriminate against them because of it. I mean, you wouldn't discriminate against someone who has down syndrome, would you? I see no difference at all.


However, I can already see a lot of people saying that I'm wrong and that they do have a choice. This is still up to debate but here's a few things to keep in mind.

1) They have found a higher level of a certain chemeical in the brain of deceased gays that could explain they sexual orientation. However, it's not for sure as it could also be a result of drugs to combat AIDS.

2) They genetically engineered sheep to be exclusively gay by changing a chemical in their brain. This implies that it's genetics.

3) There are many gays who are also religious. Their religious peers put great guilt on the gay community. These gays feel horrible because of who they are and are tormeneted each day. Don't you think if they could change, they would? Could you change your sexual orientation on whim? Didn't think so.

4) I have personally met many gays and the question comes up, "when did you know you were gay?". Every single one of them as replied, "I always just knew". You'd probably answer the same question if someone asked you about your sexual preference. It's a part of who they are.



note: this isn't to say some gays don't fit the criteria above but many of them do.
 

Platypus

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you're speaking to a brick wall on this forum mamey, apparently based on some of the posts I read this board is full of puritan garbage.
 

fredtam

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I agree we shouldn't discriminate agianst them. Hopefully one day we will be able to cure the disease.
 

spidey07

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What kind of discrimination are we talking? Also discrimination doesn't mean "hate"

I believe an employer can choose whoever they want for a position.

For instance - you wouldn't hire an obese person for a swimwear catalog. Nor would you hire a homosexual for a hardware store.

Wanna talk about discrimination? Then let's talk about obese and ugly people and the troubles THEY face. I wonder when that will be "fixed?"
 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: fredtam
I agree we shouldn't discriminate agianst. Hopefully one day we will be able to cure the disease.

yes, hopefully one day there will be a cure for ignorance and intolerance .
 

MAME

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Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
you're speaking to a brick wall on this forum mamey, apparently based on some of the posts I read this board is full of puritan garbage.

Yeah, I know it's pretty much pointless to post the above. But I thought maybe, just maybe, someone would realize that most of the time, they don't choose to be gay. If I can reach out to one person, just one person, then my job is done here :heart:
 

AFB

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Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
puritan garbage == compost pile == new, healthy life :)

:p

You have it all wrong.

You said that:

puritan garbage == new, healthy life :)

Which is not true .

You should have said :


compost pile.add(puritan garbage) == new, healthy life :)

This is true.
 

Anubis

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i agree with you there is no difference

discrimanateing based on race, age, looks, sexuality,.... is all the same and it is all bad
 

TommyVercetti

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Originally posted by: Anubis
i agree with you there is no difference

discrimanateing based on race, age, looks, sexuality,.... is all the same and it is all bad

I proudly discriminate based on looks.
 

fredtam

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Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Originally posted by: fredtam
I agree we shouldn't discriminate agianst. Hopefully one day we will be able to cure the disease.

yes, hopefully one day there will be a cure for ignorance and intolerance .


I completely agree. Once people stop being ignorant and recognize it as a possible genetic disorder we can start working on the cure. One day we may be able to cure people with this and other genetic disorders.
 

MAME

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Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Originally posted by: fredtam
I agree we shouldn't discriminate agianst. Hopefully one day we will be able to cure the disease.

yes, hopefully one day there will be a cure for ignorance and intolerance .

nice
 

KarenMarie

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I have a q?...

How do you describe descrimination? I am speaking totally in hypotheticals here but consider this...

If someone who is a devout Christian own a company and it is against his religion to accept homosexuality, should he be forced to hire one?
If someone has a 'live and let live' attitude, and although doesnt go out of his way to give trouble to anyone, but doesnt want to rent to them, should he have to?

Again, these are purely hypotheticals. I am just curious on what general consensus of this board it.

:)
 

MAME

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Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Originally posted by: fredtam
I agree we shouldn't discriminate agianst. Hopefully one day we will be able to cure the disease.

yes, hopefully one day there will be a cure for ignorance and intolerance .


I completely agree. Once people stop being ignorant and recognize it as a possible genetic disorder we can start working on the cure. One day we may be able to cure people with this and other genetic disorders.

ask any gay person if they want to be "cured". Quite literally every single one wouldn't even consider it. It's part of who they are.

It's not a disease, just like a preference to blue over black isn't a disease. It's just who they are and that's why we need to accept them for that reason.
 

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Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Originally posted by: fredtam
I agree we shouldn't discriminate agianst. Hopefully one day we will be able to cure the disease.

yes, hopefully one day there will be a cure for ignorance and intolerance .


:roll:

Yes, I hope there is a cure one day also.
 

MAME

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Originally posted by: Anubis
i agree with you there is no difference

discrimanateing based on race, age, looks, sexuality,.... is all the same and it is all bad

I agree completey except that age sometimes can be an issue in some cases.
 

fredtam

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Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Originally posted by: fredtam
I agree we shouldn't discriminate agianst. Hopefully one day we will be able to cure the disease.

yes, hopefully one day there will be a cure for ignorance and intolerance .


I completely agree. Once people stop being ignorant and recognize it as a possible genetic disorder we can start working on the cure. One day we may be able to cure people with this and other genetic disorders.

ask any gay person if they want to be "cured". Quite literally every single one wouldn't even consider it. It's part of who they are.

It's not a disease, just like a preference to blue over black isn't a disease. It's just who they are and that's why we need to accept them for that reason.

I don't think your prediction is completely true. Tell a parent that there child has a high chance of being homosexual but there is a cure available and I think the results would be the opposite.
 

minendo

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Nor would you hire a homosexual for a hardware store.
You do realize that not all homosexuals are flamboyant as depicted in the media right?
 

spidey07

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I don't think your prediction is completely true. Tell a parent that there child has a high chance of being homosexual but there is a cure available and I think the results would be the opposite.
I suggest you see the movie "Gattica"
 

fredtam

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Originally posted by: spidey07
I don't think your prediction is completely true. Tell a parent that there child has a high chance of being homosexual but there is a cure available and I think the results would be the opposite.
I suggest you see the movie "Gattica"

Seen it. Are you suggesting we don't look for a cure for genetic disorders?
 

MAME

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Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Originally posted by: fredtam
I agree we shouldn't discriminate agianst. Hopefully one day we will be able to cure the disease.

yes, hopefully one day there will be a cure for ignorance and intolerance .


I completely agree. Once people stop being ignorant and recognize it as a possible genetic disorder we can start working on the cure. One day we may be able to cure people with this and other genetic disorders.

ask any gay person if they want to be "cured". Quite literally every single one wouldn't even consider it. It's part of who they are.

It's not a disease, just like a preference to blue over black isn't a disease. It's just who they are and that's why we need to accept them for that reason.

I don't think your prediction is completely true. Tell a parent that there child has a high chance of being homosexual but there is a cure available and I think the results would be the opposite.

I'm going to drop the subject right here because it goes too far off track but 2 things:
1) many would argue that it's not the parent's choice (there's no way to detect it)
2) my parents would never have made me heterosexual if I was gay. Why do you think I'm so compassionate towards gays?
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: minendo
Originally posted by: spidey07
Nor would you hire a homosexual for a hardware store.
You do realize that not all homosexuals are flamboyant as depicted in the media right?

of course. I was just making an analogy.

When talking discrimination et. al. I like to demonstrate how discrimination goes on all the time and the struggles everybody faces sometime in their life.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: spidey07
I don't think your prediction is completely true. Tell a parent that there child has a high chance of being homosexual but there is a cure available and I think the results would be the opposite.
I suggest you see the movie "Gattica"

Seen it. Are you suggesting we don't look for a cure for genetic disorders?

Not answering that question as it is a trap.

Your response made me think about the flick though. Its a great movie and demonstrates the problems of taking a good idea too far.
 

MAME

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Originally posted by: minendo
Originally posted by: spidey07
Nor would you hire a homosexual for a hardware store.
You do realize that not all homosexuals are flamboyant as depicted in the media right?

Hell, even if they were, I don't see how it matters. I've seen those home design shows and the most flamboyant guys I've ever seen in my life make the craziest stuff out of a string, paperclip and 3.5 Q-tips.