Disappointed with the Graphics of PS4 and Xbox One

[mikegg]

I'm very disappointed. If you look at graphics comparison videos between the last gen and next-gen, they look... almost the same.

Now now, I understand that it's early and developers are just porting games over. But still, I'm not impressed with any released game.

The only game I've been impressed with is The Division from Ubisoft.

The rest look just like enhanced versions of the current gen.

Prove me wrong if you can.

 

[ProchargeMe]

I agree with this. I downloaded thief last night and the opening scene was very reminiscent of xbox 360 graphics. Now, the character models and some other textures are a little more detailed, and the shadows and lighting are superior to 360 but it's not quite enough in my opinion. Games like call of duty look the same on x1 and 360, and it's very disappointing.

 

[purbeast0]

did you say the same thing about the ps3/ps2 at the ps3 launch?

http://kotaku.com/the-ps3-had-12-games-at-launch-heres-what-they-looked-513396910

god of war 2 on ps2 looked better than 1/2 of those games. take your blinders off.

oh, and ryse is the best looking console game out right now. play that game then tell me that anything on the 360 and ps3 could come even close to that.

 

[zerocool84]

Ryse and Killzone look better than anything on PS3/360, plus run at a higher resolution. Obviously like you said, most games are just ports of existing stuff so those won't look good.

 

[exdeath]

Uhm.. no.

Even Killzone looks like a PC game vs the specular lit plastic playdoh look of most 360 and PS3 games. Even The Last of Us and Lighting Returns looks inhibited by the older platform and those are some of the newest sharpest games out.

Let me guess you are one of those people with a $4000 HDTV that connects everything with the default included red white and yellow cable? Or aren't familiar with the "zoom mode" or "aspect ratio" buttons on your TV remote?

Its amazing how many people have zoom or stretch enabled on their 1080p TVs while...viewing native 1080p content and aren't even aware of it. Such would be the type to say there is no difference.

And lol @ compressed YouTube videos for graphics comparisons.

 

[vshah]

Uhm.. no.

Even Killzone looks like a PC game vs the specular lit plastic playdoh look of most 360 and PS3 games. Even The Last of Us and Lighting Returns looks inhibited by the older platform and those are some of the newest sharpest games out.

Let me guess you are one of those people with a $4000 HDTV that connects everything with the default included red white and yellow cable? Or aren't familiar with the "zoom mode" or "aspect ratio" buttons on your TV remote?

Its amazing how many people have zoom or stretch enabled on their 1080p TVs while...viewing native 1080p content and aren't even aware of it. Such would be the type to say there is no difference.

whenever I see someone watching a non-hd channel that is also available in HD, I silently walk up, pick up the remote, and switch to the HD version. gives me such great satisfaction, but the slugs on the sofa probably have no clue.

 

[exdeath]

That initial city pan in the beginning of Killzone with all the mirrored buildings and glass and ocean....real time...zero stutter. Beautiful, like slicing the eyes with candy coated razor blades...and yeah absolutely NOT happening on a PS3 or 360.

I can see it on last gen, camera wouldn't get 10 feet off the ground before it turned into a offline renderered seconds per frame slide show. You aren't faking that with 256 MB of crappy normal maps.

 

[slatr]

That initial city pan in the beginning of Killzone with all the mirrored buildings and glass and ocean....real time...zero stutter. Beautiful, like slicing the eyes with candy coated razor blades...and yeah absolutely NOT happening on a PS3 or 360.

I can see it on last gen, camera wouldn't get 10 feet off the ground before it turned into a offline renderered seconds per frame slide show. You aren't faking that with 256 MB of crappy normal maps.

I was wanting to get a WII u but keep talking and I'm going to buy a PS4.

Mario and Zelda will not appreciate this at all.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I agree with this. I downloaded thief last night and the opening scene was very reminiscent of xbox 360 graphics. Now, the character models and some other textures are a little more detailed, and the shadows and lighting are superior to 360 but it's not quite enough in my opinion. Games like call of duty look the same on x1 and 360, and it's very disappointing.

Ghosts was night and day difference between current and last gen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYJ70jDcf6k#t=98

Also NBA 2k14 360 on left XB1 on right

 

[exdeath]

Ugh that texture compression.

Won't miss that at all.

 

[American Gunner]

Nope, I am not disappointed at all. Even games like Dead Rising, which isn't a graphical powerhouse shows the power of these new consoles when you see the amount of zombies they fit on the screen at a time.

 

[ProchargeMe]

Ghosts was night and day difference between current and last gen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYJ70jDcf6k#t=98

Also NBA 2k14 360 on left XB1 on right

Okay I know that 2k is a huuuuuge difference, but I have an x1, cod, forza, nba2k14, AC4, BF4, Thief, KI, Madden 25, a proper samsung 1080p TV set to the proper aspect ratio with no zoom, and every electronic device I have is connected via hdmi (exdeath) and while I agree some games look much better, not all of them do. I watched my neighbor playing cod on 360 and it was indistinguishable from my experience on x1. The only reason I haven't played ryse is because it looks repetitive and boring in every gameplay video I watch ( same executions over and over ) but I do plan on playing it eventually. Anyway back on topic. The x1 plays games much smoother than a 360 can, but the graphics are not as big of an improvement as some had expected. Madden looks dated, AC4 is fairly better graphically, forza cars look good but the landscapes are dreadfully boring, bf4 looks bad all together in my opinion, to the point where I can't even play the game. Thief looks pretty good but could be better. I love the styling of KI and I love the effects, but thats x1 exclusive with nothing to compare it to, but overall I think it looks great. I feel like the x1 and ps4 will be fairly short lived consoles compared to the 360 and ps3, as there isn't as much room for the graphics to improve until something like VR consoles start coming out. 4K isn't going to be widespread enough to make a real impact in the console market, and I really don't know what to expect for this generation, as graphics can only improve so much. Either way I still have love for all consoles, games, and good gaming PCs, but how much further will graphics really go?

 

[exdeath]

Ask Nintendo how VR consoles work out

 

[Todd33]

I agree with this. I downloaded thief last night and the opening scene was very reminiscent of xbox 360 graphics.

Start by looking at games that are NOT coming out on PS360. Ryse, KZ:SF, inFamous, Driveclub, etc. These are just 1st gen, rushed launch window games ad they look great.

 

[ProchargeMe]

Ask Nintendo how VR consoles work out

I didn't say it was a good idea, I was saying that graphics can only improve so much to the point where people will probably be requesting something more advanced.

 

[HeXen]

I'm very disappointed. If you look at graphics comparison videos between the last gen and next-gen, they look... almost the same.

Now now, I understand that it's early and developers are just porting games over. But still, I'm not impressed with any released game.

The only game I've been impressed with is The Division from Ubisoft.

The rest look just like enhanced versions of the current gen.

Prove me wrong if you can.

"enhanced" is the key word here.
That's what I've been saying about PC games for years and is just what someone coming from a 360 would say after they spent $2000 on a PC, "it's the same games, just enhanced graphics". Well imagine that:whiste:
It's the cost of diminishing returns.

Now let's trek back to the world of 2d games. Where even the Amiga, Arcades and NeoGeo including N64/Jaguar 2D games were only "enhanced" over their 16bit console counterparts.
It's a point of diminishing returns after we had several large jumps like Atari to Nintendo/C64..etc. We are at the point right now where the large jumps are done for a while and may last longer than it did in the late 80's/90's.

Ghosts was night and day difference between current and last gen.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYJ70jDcf6k#t=98

Also NBA 2k14 360 on left XB1 on right

Those are still just "enhanced" graphics. It's a far cry from actually being a jump in graphics among other things. You're just comparing texture compressions, resolution, AA...etc. Those are graphical enhancements.

 

[futurefields]

i dont see how they will compete with PC's 3 years from now. even now they are outdone by a midrange gaming PC.

 

[Arkaign]

OP, if you were concerned about graphics, the XB1 with a ~7770 and DDR3 was a terrible mistake. The gap is only going to get bigger vs. PS4, and PC, don't get me started. I showed someone Titanfall during the beta playing at 2560x1600 on my 30" after he was bragging about his XB1, and he just about lost his mind.

Graphics aren't everything though.

If you're truly concerned, don't worry, about 12-24 months things will begin to look a bit better. There are two stages of development stagnation you have to worry about :

Stage 1 : Games that were developed mostly without a final spec/dev kit to work with. They had to guess as to the final product, so these are sloppy/ugly and even lazy products (Thief counts here bigtime).

and

Stage 2 : Games that have to be scalable to 360/PS3. This really holds back the scope of the game to a massive degree, and this affects most titles right now. Thief applies here as well.

So once the PS3/360 ports fall off the map, and you see exclusively next-gen games that are only PC/PS4/XB1, combined with a more mature development process, things will be gigantically improved.

Look at the first 360 NBA titles vs. the latest, or Uncharted vs. Uncharted 3. While I seriously doubt we'll see improvements of quite that magnitude, we will see improvements. And thanks to x86/GCN, this will actually (hopefully) result in good PC ports to/from as well, as long as the dev puts their proper work in.

 

[BrightCandle]

The sweetspot is about 2 years after the consoles release. They stop making previous generation games, they are still within an order of magnitude performance of PCs and they have a handle of the new console and what runs quick and what doesn't. At that point the games are still high resolution, use near on the latest techniques and aren't hampered by the previous generation.

Not quite sure if it will play out that way this time, just because the gap to PC is there from day 0 rather than the xbox360 era when it was about a year before that performance was mainstream. We might find the sweetspot never really happens as the PC will be an order of magnitude quicker by the time the previous generation is dropped.

One of the possibilities for why the games don't look as good as people hoped is that most of the development work was done on PCs. They only got dev kits early 2013 and up until then they were mostly developing with a high end PC target. Once they finally knew the performance level they had to bludgeon their games into a much lower performance machine than they perhaps anticipated based on the historical performance of the consoles and that took them by surprise. All they could do at that point was reduce the resolution, reduce the polygon count, texture sizes and lighting algorithms and get it to fit. The challenge now is for them to restore HD resolutions with the future games.

 

[sweenish]

Is this OP really being catered to like this? It's downright ignorant at best, and a weak troll at worst.

 

[Tweak155]

I don't see 360 / PS3 disappearing anytime soon. They're still great consoles.

 

[purbeast0]

i dont see how they will compete with PC's 3 years from now. even now they are outdone by a midrange gaming PC.

pc gaphics being better != xbox1 games don't look good.

OP, if you were concerned about graphics, the XB1 with a ~7770 and DDR3 was a terrible mistake. The gap is only going to get bigger vs. PS4, and PC, don't get me started. I showed someone Titanfall during the beta playing at 2560x1600 on my 30" after he was bragging about his XB1, and he just about lost his mind.

same thing to you.

when will people grasp this concept. i just don't get it. because the pc version can look better does not automatically make every other version bad and unplayable. they still look great. and i can 100% guarantee you that titanfall will look about 10x better on xbox1 than my pc.

just because i have a 120" screen with surround sound that sounds better than most movie theaters i've ever been to does not mean that gaming or watching tv on my 60" plasma upstairs is not doable. games, shows, and movies still look great on that tv.

i'm quickly remembering why i stopped coming to this subforum as often as i used to, because it's the same old crap being spewed over and over and over here.

 

[Bman123]

It really is the same shit over and over again in this section

 

[Tweak155]

pc gaphics being better != xbox1 games don't look good.



same thing to you.

when will people grasp this concept. i just don't get it. because the pc version can look better does not automatically make every other version bad and unplayable. they still look great. and i can 100% guarantee you that titanfall will look about 10x better on xbox1 than my pc.

just because i have a 120" screen with surround sound that sounds better than most movie theaters i've ever been to does not mean that gaming or watching tv on my 60" plasma upstairs is not doable. games, shows, and movies still look great on that tv.

i'm quickly remembering why i stopped coming to this subforum as often as i used to, because it's the same old crap being spewed over and over and over here.

Either you've been to the wrong movie theaters or you have a new SUV value invested into your sound system.

 

[purbeast0]

Either you've been to the wrong movie theaters or you have a new SUV value invested into your sound system.

not quite a new suv, but it's around the price of some cars for sure. and no i've been into many great theaters. my basement isn't as large a movie theater though so it doesn't take the same equipment as a theater to get it sounding as good or better than a theater.

and that still doesn't make games/movies/shows on my plasma "unplayable" and "terrible" even though it sounds/looks much better down there.