DiRT 2 will not have Full DX11 Support

[Keysplayr]

That is an obvious one. Still the nv mods are too busy keeping it alive, rather than moving to the appropriate spot.

Seriously? I didn't see anyone complaining when the original "Dirt2 is DX!!11!1" Thread popped up in here. Especially when it was supposed to be bundled with 58xx series cards.
Remember that ronnn?

At least be consistent. The thread is fine here considering everyone was looking forward to a full DX11 title to run on the DX11 hardware.

 

[Keysplayr]

Will it require DX11 to use the DX11 features it implements? Yes, of course it will, otherwise it wouldn't be a DX11 game. Duh. Even if you implement one DX11 feature which requires the use of the DX11 API, then it's a DX11 game.

Just another little bit of Wreckage's and your nvidiot sensationalism at work.

Why do I get the feeling you guys did not want this thread posted, ever. ??
I, as well as yourself and don't deny it, thought this was going to be full DX11.

And that tongue of yours. You just can't bite it can you? I don't call you ridiculous names because of your preference, do I? Time to grow up a little.

 

[Keysplayr]

-QFT.

This game is using tesselation and Shader Model 5.0 and at no point was the use of Compute Shaders even discussed. Really, what does it take to achieve "full" DX level support?

Man people will bitch about anything...

Heh, who's bitching? We're just talking about it. There is a lot of angst here. Just be calm everyone. There are life vests under your seats and oxygen masks will fall if need be.

 

[Keysplayr]

QFT


PS: I'm still trying to figure out what's in this for AT, for letting paid NV mouthpieces to roam around freely here, especially with Mod badge... credibility goes down the toilet so there must be a lot of something else involved...

And you, at the opposite end of the spectrum. If you're allowed to roam around freely here, then I don't see who else wouldn't be. Truth.

 

[Forumpanda]

Why do I get the feeling you guys did not want this thread posted, ever. ??
I, as well as yourself and don't deny it, thought this was going to be full DX11.

So before you dodge the obvious question for the 10th time, what in your opinion would be a 'full' DX11 game? does every single feature have to be used?
I guess by the same standards there are currently no 'full' physX games as they only use it for a few visual effects.

The linked article is just wording the *same information* we already had in a different way, and all of a sudden you are jumping up and down with joy and making tens of posts to draw attention to the fact that you think you found something amazing.

There is no new information provided here, just people playing word games for marketing purposes, and I as a forum reader has to dig through tons of this stuff to get anything out of this forum.

And it is also good forum etiquette to use multiple quotes in the same post instead of splitting replies out over multiple posts right after each other, something you as a moderator should know.

 

[Keysplayr]

So before you dodge the obvious question for the 10th time, what in your opinion would be a 'full' DX11 game? does every single feature have to be used?

Dodge. Okaaayyyy... Yes, why? Would you call a game that doesn't do this, a full DX11 game?

The linked article is just wording the *same information* we already had in a different way, and all of a sudden you are jumping up and down with joy and making tens of posts to draw attention to the fact that you think you found something amazing.

All I see are folks like you jumping up and down in anger. All I'm doing is discussing, not "jumping for joy". Is there a reason you think I should be jumping for joy? Why don't you tell me what that is. I've already said it isn't a big deal. You, as well as others, go after the people making the posts rather than the subject. There isn't even a "debate" here.

There is no new information provided here, just people playing word games for marketing purposes, and I as a forum reader has to dig through tons of this stuff to get anything out of this forum.

Just the same, if you wish to prevent people from discussing a simple topic like this, where will it end?
It would seem you are in a state of protest. What for?

And it is also good forum etiquette to use multiple quotes in the same post instead of splitting replies out over multiple posts right after each other, something you as a moderator should know.

Yeah, you're right about that. I'm too used to posting the old way. I'll practice a bit more. I hope my lack of forum etiquette doesn't enter into a video discussion too many more times. I'd begin to think you were thinking of ways to demean my posts. LOL. Hehe, silly of me.

 

[Dribble]

I don't get the fuss here? It has some DX11 only features, that's all it needs to be called a DX11 game. You can't seriously have expected this to be a DX11 only game? We have always known perfectly well this is basically a DX9c game (for consoles) with a few easy to add DX11 extra's stuck on thanks to Ati.

Nvidia will also support DX11 with their next cards so I don't see why this is a nvdia vs ati argument either?

tbh I don't much get the fuss with this game at all - honestly if this game had been DX9c how many of you would even have given it a second thought?

 

[nemesismk2]

I thought it was going to be the first DX11 game so I am disappointed.

 

[GaiaHunter]

So some people were expecting Dirt2 to not run on DX10/10.1 GPUs?

Nope, sorry Farcry 2 isn't DX10 either because you can run it DX9 mode.

Nope, Mirrors Edge and Batman:AA aren't physX games because you can run them with GPUs that don't support physX.

Gotta love threads that give irrelevant information

 

[GaiaHunter]

Damn DP - can we have a delete post tool, plz?

 

[dug777]

I thought it was going to be the first DX11 game so I am disappointed.

I have to admit that I can't for a second understand what you would be disappointed about...

It's not as if a game ever needed to complete the full 'shopping list' of DXwhatever features to be called a 'DXwhatever' game, at least to my (admittedly limited) understanding. Do those who are so (faux) distressed about not having a 'full' DX11 game to run on the DX11 card they don't have (because Nvidia doesn't have one yet, oops) care to demonstrate prior examples of 'full' DXwhatever games? If you can, I retract my comments entirely. If you can't, then this new piece of semantics is a remarkably clever tactic, and I take my hat off to you!

As far as I understand it, it uses some fairly key new features that DX11 brings to the table, and you can't use these without a DX11 card. So it IS a DX11 game...

It's confusion and FUD like this that Wreckage wanted, and that is painfully obvious to anyone who has spent more than five minutes in this forum. Whether they'll admit that or not is a different matter, and I'm not sure I need to say any more there

 

[Keysplayr]

I have to admit that I can't for a second understand what you would be disappointed about...

It's not as if a game ever needed to complete the full 'shopping list' of DXwhatever features to be called a 'DXwhatever' game. Do those who are so (faux) distressed about not having a 'full' DX11 game to run on the DX11 card they don't have (because Nvidia doesn't have one yet, oops) care to demonstrate prior examples of 'full' DXwhatever games?

As far as I understand it, it uses some fairly key new features that DX11 brings to the table, and you can't use these without a DX11 card. So it IS a DX11 game.

It's confusion and FUD like this that Wreckage wanted, and that is painfully obvious to anyone who has spent more than five minutes in this forum. Whether they'll admit that or not is a different matter, and I'm not sure I need to say any more there

Dug, don't blow this out of proportion. Nobody is "distressed". You make it sound like it's the end of the gaming world as we know it. We... are... simply... talking... about... it...
Would you rather we didn't talk about it? No skin off your back, is there?
Some are disappointed. And who is concerned about Nvidia? They are going to release their own DX11 hardware pretty soon. So why is that a concern? It was never a concern of mine. You?

 

[ZimZum]

Seriously? I didn't see anyone complaining when the original "Dirt2 is DX!!11!1" Thread popped up in here. Especially when it was supposed to be bundled with 58xx series cards.
Remember that ronnn?

Wrong + Wrong = Right
?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Uh, we have plenty of DX11 gaming discussion here. Such as this thread...
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2025261

Along with several others. No conspiracy theory needed (other than why you complained here and not in the other threads).

Either way I wonder if we will see the game this year and what it has to offer as far as DX11. Still a shame that after such a long delay they are just patching it.

It would appear your using this as salt. Like it somehow wounded ATI/AMD. It doesn't say what DX11 PATCHES were used. It doesn't say tessal. isn't used . It doesn't say what the so called PATCHES are . Does IT.

Fact is its a DX11 game and ATI has the card and horsepower to show it off. We have to wait and see what intel and NV have to offer now don't we?

Dirt2 as DX11 is hugh win for AMD/ATI. No matter how much salt you gather it matters not there is NO wound to rube it in . Your just a fly on dong.

 

[Keysplayr]

wrong + wrong = right
?

lmao....

 

[Adrenaline]

I don't see how this turned into an ATi vs nvidia thing. The main post was by someone that fully supports nvidia, that should not even matter. Maybe the nvidia person that posted this is a little disappointed he does not get to see a full DX11 game on what ATi has out now to look forward to what it may do on his preferred nvidia in a few months.

Some of the posts that appear on here are just disappointing to say the least.

Edit:

Just to quote the original post

That's a shame as I thought this would be the first "showcase" title for DX11.

Notice how he did not say "their" or solely refer to ATi.

 

[Keysplayr]

It would appear your using this as salt. Like it somehow wounded ATI/AMD. It doesn't say what DX11 PATCHES were used. It doesn't say tessal. isn't used . It doesn't say what the so called PATCHES are . Does IT.

Fact is its a DX11 game and ATI has the card and horsepower to show it off. We have to wait and see what intel and NV have to offer now don't we?

Dirt2 as DX11 is hugh win for AMD/ATI. No matter how much salt you gather it matters not there is NO wound to rube it in . Your just a fly on dong.

You guys don't quit. What wound? Nah. This is just the way you wish to perceive this thread.
No matter what Wreckages "intentions" were, and when you're all done speculating about his "intentions", maybe you guys can knuckle down and talk about the subject matter. WOW, what an idea huh?

 

[GaiaHunter]

You guys don't quit. What wound? Nah. This is just the way you wish to perceive this thread.
No matter what Wreckages "intentions" were, and when you're all done speculating about his "intentions", maybe you guys can knuckle down and talk about the subject matter. WOW, what an idea huh?

Can you run the DX11 features in DIRT2 without a DX11 GPU?

If yes, than it isn't DX11 features. If no, it is a game that supports DX11, isn't it?

Is it a DX11 only game?

No.

Did anyone here though they would have to buy a DX11 GPU to play Dirt2?

If someone did, well, silly them.

 

[dug777]

Dug, don't blow this out of proportion. Nobody is "distressed". You make it sound like it's the end of the gaming world as we know it. We... are... simply... talking... about... it...
Would you rather we didn't talk about it? No skin off your back, is there?
Some are disappointed. And who is concerned about Nvidia? They are going to release their own DX11 hardware pretty soon. So why is that a concern? It was never a concern of mine. You?

I'll admit that it's not the slightest concern of mine.

What I don't like, and what I'm expressing my irritation over, is that I see it as just yet another example of Wreckage's shenanigans in this forum.

He doesn't think it's 'a shame' at all, he sees it as an attempt to discredit the game and hence DX11's importance in absence of a DX11 part from Nvidia. No more, no less.

Back to the question I posed earlier (and it is entirely relevant to this thread):

Are there any prior examples of 'full' DXwhatever games you can provide? I wasn't aware in previous iterations of DX that a game had to use every available DX feature to be considered a 'full' DXwhatever title, or even seeing titles described as 'full' or 'non-full' DX whatever titles, hence the cynical suspicions of myself and many others in this thread.

If that is indeed the case and I'm entirely wrong about this, I will of course apologise to Wreckage.

 

[MegaWorks]

Wreckage you convinced me!!!!..... I'm ordering two GTX295 plus a GTX285 for physX!!!!!! :whiste:

What a useless thread!

 

[Keysplayr]

As far as Wreckage is concerned, he could post a single word, "Hi" thread with no content and it would still be viewed as anti ATI motives. Just ignore it. There are palunty of opposites to balance him out and then some.
To your question(s).
Was there never a game designed from the ground up for DX10? Of course there are included older spec DX9 for older hardware compatability. Devs would be nuts not to do this. But I don't recall anyone saying that this game could only be played on DX11 hardware and not DX10 or even 9 hardware. Somebody here assumed that I guess.
Like I said before, this isn't a big deal, really.
I'm sure this game will be fine across multiple DX hardware versions. One of my favorite older games is CoD2 and that was DX9 with an option to run even in DX7 mode for older hardware. But I am uncertain which titles were launched with ground up DX10 development (with or without a DX9 backward compatability.

 

[Qbah]

By that definition there are only two DX10 apps, 3D Vantage and Shattered Horizons. And Halo 2

The game was supposed to be like that from the beginning - people expecting it to be DX11 exclusive were delusional. It's a game that will run on DX9, DX10 and DX11 hardware - each "level" giving extra eye candy. The DX11 effects will add a lot of eye candy and realism into the game. There's a nice review of DX11 Dirt2 with pictures form different graphics modes and movies over at benchmark.pl. If you can't read Polish, just look at the graphs, pictures and video clips. Poprzednia is Previous/Back, Nastepna is Next/Forward You can read numbers on graphs yourselves, I hope

EDIT: If you're unsure about something in that review, just PM me with your question or ask here, I'll tell you what it's about.

 

[dug777]

As far as Wreckage is concerned, he could post a single word, "Hi" thread with no content and it would still be viewed as anti ATI motives. Just ignore it. There are palunty of opposites to balance him out and then some.
To your question(s).
Was there never a game designed from the ground up for DX10? Of course there are included older spec DX9 for older hardware compatability. Devs would be nuts not to do this. But I don't recall anyone saying that this game could only be played on DX11 hardware and not DX10 or even 9 hardware. Somebody here assumed that I guess.
Like I said before, this isn't a big deal, really.
I'm sure this game will be fine across multiple DX hardware versions. One of my favorite older games is CoD2 and that was DX9 with an option to run even in DX7 mode for older hardware. But I am uncertain which titles were launched with ground up DX10 development (with or without a DX9 backward compatability.

You are right, and I've been too prickly by half here, my apologies.

Do we know when a demo will be available?

 

[GaiaHunter]

But I don't recall anyone saying that this game could only be played on DX11 hardware and not DX10 or even 9 hardware. Somebody here assumed that I guess.

On the other hand nobody said Dirt2 would use every single DX11 feature available.

And that is why this thread is useless.

Additionally we can't just forget the historic of Wreckage and when

AMD payed $1 million and delayed the game several months. I was hoping it would be a full DX11 game so we could see what all the fuss was about. I thought this was going to fully utilize DX11 and not just be a partial patched in function.

Sadly this is what went on with DX10/10.1 and why it was probably under utilized.

is said, we have the first connection to AMD vs NIVIDIA, by no other than Wreckage.

Surprising?

 

[Creig]

So before you dodge the obvious question for the 10th time, what in your opinion would be a 'full' DX11 game? does every single feature have to be used?

Dodge. Okaaayyyy... Yes, why? Would you call a game that doesn't do this, a full DX11 game?

You're joking, right? A game has to use EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE DX11 CALL in order to be labeled a "full" DX11 game? By your definition, there has never been a "full" DX game produced.


Ever.


AFAIK, if a game uses DX11 features, then it is a DX11 game. That's it. Obviously some will use more DX11 features than others, but they can all be labeled as DX11 games. The whole notion of a "full" DX11 game is rather silly.