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Diner Owner Yells At Child To Shut Up, Mother Gets Indignant

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destrekor said:
And this is so true.

These days, people are so afraid to offer any advice or correct any child in public, because we are all so touchy feely and these children are little precious gifts from the divine almighty that are absolutely perfect the way they are.

No wonder so many behaviors persist into adulthood these days, because it truly used to be a "village" that helped rear children, you could act up in a super market and a random adult might just scold you, and your distant relatives and even older cousins or in-laws would be right there to slap your ass or otherwise put you in your place.

I wonder if the rest of the world is still fine and it's only the American civilization in its state of devolution that is experiencing this issue. I truly hope much of Europe is still doing fine when it comes to the raising of our precious youth.
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I completely agree... but in this modern age "The Village" has turned into something like this. It's not hard to understand where parents recoil at the notion of someone else even coming within eyeshot of their family anymore.

That said, too many people are also way too PC these days afraid of having some sort of lawsuit slapped on them. A few simple, tactful words would often go a long way. For anyone that missed it, I said tactful. Something this restaurant owner clearly doesn't have any mastery of.
 
SunnyD said:
Aside from the obvious asshatery going on in this thread, did no one stop to realize:

A diner that takes anywhere between 10 minutes (parents) to 40 minutes (manager) to get food out to customers? No wonder the kid was throwing a fit.

I'm not a short order cook, but I may as well be considered one. Omelettes and pancakes don't take 10 minutes, and I cook for 7 daily, usually more elaborate meals at that.
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Do you not go to diners that often?

And at no point did the owner say it took 40 minutes to get the food. She said the kid was crying for 40 minutes, and made mention that there was already food on the table, so her argument is that the parents' claim that the child was crying waiting for food is bullshit.
The parents argued the child cried for 10 minutes waiting for food. Which one is valid, it really doesn't matter.

10 minutes waiting for food at a diner is entirely the norm. At least all the diners I've been to. That's not a long time at all.

Do remember that you or other people are not the special snowflake you think you are and you order isn't put onto the griddles or on the stovetop the moment you have finished telling your waitress/waiter. lol
There are other customers, perhaps, so lets think about how a diner operates.

The wait time between order and food at the table has nothing to do with how long preparation takes. It is about how long it takes for the other orders ahead of yours to be finished so that your order can be made, and then there is also the fact that all of the orders at your table need to be made at a certain time so that they all come out still hot, and not leaving one or two orders cooling down waiting for the other.

You make me LOL.
 
SunnyD said:
For the same reason you think all parents with children that go out with said children are fucking asshats.
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no the parents are fucking asshats. they let a child cry in a crowded resturant for a min of 10 minutes. that is being a "fucking asshat" to me.

The Restaurant owner said the child cried for 40 minutes with food sitting on the table.

IF that is true then the parents are something worse then a "fucking asshat"
 
destrekor said:
And this is so true.

These days, people are so afraid to offer any advice or correct any child in public, because we are all so touchy feely and these children are little precious gifts from the divine almighty that are absolutely perfect the way they are.

No wonder so many behaviors persist into adulthood these days, because it truly used to be a "village" that helped rear children, you could act up in a super market and a random adult might just scold you, and your distant relatives and even older cousins or in-laws would be right there to slap your ass or otherwise put you in your place.

I wonder if the rest of the world is still fine and it's only the American civilization in its state of devolution that is experiencing this issue. I truly hope much of Europe is still doing fine when it comes to the raising of our precious youth.
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This!

I was at the Zoo and my kid was getting out of control. It got to the point where she throw her teddy bear over the fence into the flamingo pond. I wanted to give my kid a spanking but not out in public would I dare do that. To many people would call CS on your ass. If I was to spank her the whole thing would have been over in less then 5 mins but instead for the next hour I had to endure the melt down. It was hard to just get up and leave when you have 10 plus people there making a day trip out of it.

99% of the time my kid is really good but that 1% is rare but happens.
 
Jeffg010 said:
This!

I was at the Zoo and my kid was getting out of control. It got to the point where she throw her teddy bear over the fence into the flamingo pond. I wanted to give my kid a spanking but not out in public would I dare do that. To many people would call CS on your ass. If I was to spank her the whole thing would have been over in less then 5 mins but instead for the next hour I had to endure the melt down. It was hard to just get up and leave when you have 10 plus people there making a day trip out of it.

99% of the time my kid is really good but that 1% is rare but happens.
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Take them to the bathroom or the car. Enduring it tells them they can get away with it.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Take them to the bathroom or the car. Enduring it tells them they can get away with it.
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exactly.

we have cut visits short to places because of fits. My enjoyment does not trump the other's in the venue. IF the child is not mature enough for it you don't take them. If they get hungry have snacks, if its to hot leave.

also those saying it takes a village are wrong. it does not take one. it takes a parent willing to do the right job.
 
waggy said:
exactly.

we have cut visits short to places because of fits. My enjoyment does not trump the other's in the venue. IF the child is not mature enough for it you don't take them. If they get hungry have snacks, if its to hot leave.

also those saying it takes a village are wrong. it does not take one. it takes a parent willing to do the right job.
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Nah, it goes beyond a parent doing the right job. The concept also goes beyond mere discipline in youth. It takes a village because schooling and integration in society is more complex, and youth need to have these concepts imprinted by as many people as possible to get a better feel for how society works and how they can ensure they fit in. This means they are both the good and the bad of society, they are given examples from numerous individuals.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Take them to the bathroom or the car. Enduring it tells them they can get away with it.
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Can't leave the zoo or you can't get back in and the restrooms were to full. I would not call it a real melt down like crying more whining for the bear and throwing stuff out her stroller.
 
Jeffg010 said:
This!

I wanted to give my kid a spanking but not out in public would I dare do that. To many people would call CS on your ass.
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Shit, my dad never seemed afraid of that when I was a kid. He would smack my face numerous times in front of anyone and not care who was watching.
 
waggy said:
exactly.

we have cut visits short to places because of fits. My enjoyment does not trump the other's in the venue. IF the child is not mature enough for it you don't take them. If they get hungry have snacks, if its to hot leave.

also those saying it takes a village are wrong. it does not take one. it takes a parent willing to do the right job.
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I have done that I left mall before when she was playing in the play area. She got mad when some kid was playing with one of the activities that she wanted to do. I told her she had to share and she would not listen to that I picked her up and wheeled right out the mall and went home. She learned pretty quickly not to do that again.
 
NetWareHead said:
Shit, my dad never seemed afraid of that when I was a kid. He would smack my face numerous times in front of anyone and not care who was watching.
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That was the norm back then. I got my ass whooped numerous times in public, not a single shit was given by my parents. If it had to be done, it had to be done.

But the concern is that that style of parenting is called into question by some people more often these days. There are plenty of parents that still subscribe to it, and I will once I am a parent, but there are a lot of those who would rather coddle their precious little angels.
 
destrekor said:
Nah, it goes beyond a parent doing the right job. The concept also goes beyond mere discipline in youth. It takes a village because schooling and integration in society is more complex, and youth need to have these concepts imprinted by as many people as possible to get a better feel for how society works and how they can ensure they fit in. This means they are both the good and the bad of society, they are given examples from numerous individuals.
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not that i disagree exactly. I say it it does not take a villige to raise a kid. i don't want some random person disciplining my child.


I do think kids need to have more people in there life then parents. My daughter spends a lot of time with her best friend or the girls are here. We joke that they should be able to claim her for half the year and i claim her kids. They are a great family and have taken her on trips outside of IL.

Also the coaches in my duaghters gymnastics. she is really close to them.

same thing for my son. a kid from town has been like a big brother to him since he was born.

having a "extended" family is great. but i do not need the villige to raise them.
 
Jeffg010 said:
Try that today and see what happens believe me I would have spanked her but not out in public.
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If I witnessed a parent spanking their child, I would not interfere. If I heard someone starting to giive the spanking parent a hard time, I might say something to the person interfering to mind their own business but thats it.
 
waggy said:
not that i disagree exactly. I say it it does not take a villige to raise a kid. i don't want some random person disciplining my child.


I do think kids need to have more people in there life then parents. My daughter spends a lot of time with her best friend or the girls are here. We joke that they should be able to claim her for half the year and i claim her kids. They are a great family and have taken her on trips outside of IL.

Also the coaches in my duaghters gymnastics. she is really close to them.

same thing for my son. a kid from town has been like a big brother to him since he was born.

having a "extended" family is great. but i do not need the villige to raise them.
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Kids definitely need "a village". Why do you think most pre-teens and teenagers have absolutely zero respect for any sort of adult authority? Because it's ingrained into them at an early age that everybody not named mommy or daddy deserves not even the time of day. Most kids are even smart enough to take this to the next level and apply it to all adults - if it's good enough for strangers it's good enough for my parents too.

Discipline comes in all forms, but you want your kids to at least respect what any person has to say to them especially when it comes to verbal discipline. If neighbors, friends or other adults that had seen any of my children doing something they weren't supposed to be doing I would have no issues with the adult taking the role of an adult and scolding my child not to be a dumbfuck or even actively preventing my kids from doing something stupid or harmful if I'm not around. If my kids aren't respecting what that adult has to say, then that's where I've failed as a parent. Beating random kids on the other hand... yeah, no. Hauling them off to their parents is another story though.
 
SunnyD said:
For the same reason you think all parents with children that go out with said children are fucking asshats.
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Uh, what? Who said that? I didn't read every single post in this thread so maybe I missed it, but I'd be shocked if someone said that.

If you can't control your kids, stay home with them. And yes, before you say "But, I can't predict how they'll behave!" - I understand that, just be prepared to take them out to the car, the bathroom, or leave if they act up. *THAT* is the problem people have parents taking kids out to eat - letting them sit there and scream, cry, throw fits, run around the restaurant, etc, not them simply being there.

waggy said:
exactly.

we have cut visits short to places because of fits. My enjoyment does not trump the other's in the venue. IF the child is not mature enough for it you don't take them. If they get hungry have snacks, if its to hot leave.

also those saying it takes a village are wrong. it does not take one. it takes a parent willing to do the right job.
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Exactly.
 
dainthomas said:
Back in the day it was okay to yell at other people's kids if they were acting up, and the parents would usually apologize for their kid's terrible behavior (and reprimand them again). Now they just get upset when someone doesn't appreciate their ears bleeding from the precious snowflake's unending death howls. Then they whine on the internet.
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I yelled at someone's kids this weekend because the parent wasn't doing anything. We were attending visitation day at boy scout camp and were in line to eat lunch. A couple young girls, 5-7 years old, were pulling rocks out of a stacked rock pile and throwing them. After watching them do this a couple times, I cleared my throat and said in a loud voice that they needed to stop doing that. The parent looked at me, looked down at his daughters, and had them stand up and told them to stop messing with the rocks. I wasn't trying to be rude, but I did want to get their attention and let them know that the behavior was not appropriate.
 
dank69 said:
Mother's full version of story:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...e-diner-owner-went-viral-heres-what-happened/
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Title of the article: "I’m the mom whose encounter with an angry Maine diner owner went viral. Here’s what happened."

What the Title SHOULD be: "I'm the guy that sat next to the mom whose encounter with an enraged Maine diner owner. Here's what happened."

I don't give two shits what a shit parent has to say. They are the biggest liers of them all.
 
dank69 said:
Mother's full version of story:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...e-diner-owner-went-viral-heres-what-happened/
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What got lost is that it’s never okay to yell at a baby, especially if you own a restaurant. You should care about providing good service to their patrons. Neugebauer could have come over politely and told us our baby was disruptive.
She should not have thrown things or yelled or cursed.
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As I mentioned earlier, that's the approach I would have done either as a patron or owner. It's never fun listening to a kid making that noise and wondering what the parents attention are focused on,
wherever venue this is happening at. Find out first why the kid is crying.
 
Yeah, this has the markings of "two wrongheaded people bumping heads".

She wasn’t having a meltdown, so we decided to stay in our corner booth rather than go outside in the rain. In the noisy diner I didn’t see anyone looking at us or think we were causing a disturbance.

Babies cry and sometimes moms make the call between a tantrum in the loud diner or going out into the rain.

First the baby isn't having a meltdown, then it's her noticing if other people are noticing her baby NOT have a meltdown (wtf?), finally it's a decision between a baby having a tantrum and standing in the raid.

So which is it?
 
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