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digg.com is getting OWND by posts regarding the HD-DVD key lol

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Originally posted by: dudeman007
From Kevin Rose...

Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts?

In building and shaping the site I?ve always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We?ve always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code.

But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you?ve made it clear. You?d rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won?t delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.

If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.

Digg on,

Kevin
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Some comments here suggested that it was unfair for the users to burden Digg with the potential legal ramifications of having this key shown on the site. I believe this had and has nothing to do with the legal trouble it may put Digg in, and more to do with the legal trouble this needs to put the AACS in. These cease-and-desist letters need to be stopped, and stopped very publicly. No corporation should wield the legal power that has been created by the DMCA. The DMCA must end.

I am very disappointed in AnandTech for deciding to delete posts containing the key. Civil disobedience is a very important function of society when dealing with corrupt and unacceptable laws. When your government ceases to represent you, it is imperative that you demonstrate this.
 
Originally posted by: mcturkey
Some comments here suggested that it was unfair for the users to burden Digg with the potential legal ramifications of having this key shown on the site. I believe this had and has nothing to do with the legal trouble it may put Digg in, and more to do with the legal trouble this needs to put the AACS in. These cease-and-desist letters need to be stopped, and stopped very publicly. No corporation should wield the legal power that has been created by the DMCA. The DMCA must end.

I am very disappointed in AnandTech for deciding to delete posts containing the key. Civil disobedience is a very important function of society when dealing with corrupt and unacceptable laws. When your government ceases to represent you, it is imperative that you demonstrate this.
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wwybywb?

 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Originally posted by: mcturkey
Some comments here suggested that it was unfair for the users to burden Digg with the potential legal ramifications of having this key shown on the site. I believe this had and has nothing to do with the legal trouble it may put Digg in, and more to do with the legal trouble this needs to put the AACS in. These cease-and-desist letters need to be stopped, and stopped very publicly. No corporation should wield the legal power that has been created by the DMCA. The DMCA must end.

I am very disappointed in AnandTech for deciding to delete posts containing the key. Civil disobedience is a very important function of society when dealing with corrupt and unacceptable laws. When your government ceases to represent you, it is imperative that you demonstrate this.
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wwybywb?
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Regardless, I agree with him/her. Too many people/companies are tossing these C&Ds around like they're candy.
 
Originally posted by: wetcat007
http://blog.digg.com/?p=74

Digg has decided to allow the key to stay up and fight the mpaa if necessary wooo!!

lawyers launching in 5 4 3 2 1 ....
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There are no legal ramifications in this case. They were protecting their best interest in regards to their podcast sponsor.
 
Originally posted by: mcturkey
Originally posted by: dudeman007
From Kevin Rose...

Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts?

In building and shaping the site I?ve always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We?ve always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code.

But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you?ve made it clear. You?d rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won?t delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.

If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.

Digg on,

Kevin
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Some comments here suggested that it was unfair for the users to burden Digg with the potential legal ramifications of having this key shown on the site. I believe this had and has nothing to do with the legal trouble it may put Digg in, and more to do with the legal trouble this needs to put the AACS in. These cease-and-desist letters need to be stopped, and stopped very publicly. No corporation should wield the legal power that has been created by the DMCA. The DMCA must end.

I am very disappointed in AnandTech for deciding to delete posts containing the key. Civil disobedience is a very important function of society when dealing with corrupt and unacceptable laws. When your government ceases to represent you, it is imperative that you demonstrate this.
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I agree about the civil disobedience part, but the problem is that this is number one online and number two on "private" property, not a public forum. These companies will treat it the same they always have; digg will die and they will continually fight against the people who post it. If you truly wanted to make an impact and really show the companies the American public is fed up with DRM, you will have to actually be physically in public, swamping their headquarters or the street to their headquarters etc. When they see it they will believe it.
 
Originally posted by: tangent1138
what i don't understand is the pirates' sense of entitlement. they seem to feel they have the right to steal material and throw around words like "censorship".
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:roll:
As opposed to behemoth corporations who seem to feel entitled to government protection of their business model? Talk about sense of entitlement.

These companies have bribed their way to eternal copyright. They attack fair use. Screw them, I hope they wither and die. Time for the existing entertainment industry to crash and burn, let something new take their place.
 
Originally posted by: mcturkey
Originally posted by: dudeman007
From Kevin Rose...

Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts?

In building and shaping the site I?ve always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We?ve always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code.

But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you?ve made it clear. You?d rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won?t delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.

If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.

Digg on,

Kevin
Click to expand...

Some comments here suggested that it was unfair for the users to burden Digg with the potential legal ramifications of having this key shown on the site. I believe this had and has nothing to do with the legal trouble it may put Digg in, and more to do with the legal trouble this needs to put the AACS in. These cease-and-desist letters need to be stopped, and stopped very publicly. No corporation should wield the legal power that has been created by the DMCA. The DMCA must end.

I am very disappointed in AnandTech for deciding to delete posts containing the key. Civil disobedience is a very important function of society when dealing with corrupt and unacceptable laws. When your government ceases to represent you, it is imperative that you demonstrate this.
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I agree with you, but do you honestly expect someone like Anandtech to fight against the big bad AACS owners? It'd be ridiculous if they fought them.
 
Way to go everyone. Two outcomes: we lose Digg or Digg becomes freaking awesome. One good, one bad. We all better wish its the good one.
 
Originally posted by: LEDominator
I agree about the civil disobedience part, but the problem is that this is number one online and number two on "private" property, not a public forum. These companies will treat it the same they always have; digg will die and they will continually fight against the people who post it. If you truly wanted to make an impact and really show the companies the American public is fed up with DRM, you will have to actually be physically in public, swamping their headquarters or the street to their headquarters etc. When they see it they will believe it.
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Apologies in advance for the acronym overload.

The problem with DRM is that it was never really useful until the DMCA was created. DRM was always easily enough overcome, and no EULA could be enforced, as the courts have proven. So the MPAA and RIAA lobbied for the DMCA to be created, and of course with so much money flowing to DC, it was. Since this is a law that deals almost exclusively with digital content, it is to be expected that the initial waves of resentment and anger will begin in that most digital of mediums, the internet. What, exactly, would work as a physical manifestation of this resentment? Public protests? Would the press even be trusted to accurately portray protest activity when they are largely owned by media corporations with a vested interest in the DMCA? The press is free of government control, but alas does not serve the interest of the average person anymore. The press, by and large, is run by the same people who contribute significant amounts of money to lobbying the federal government for various purposes. The companies who provide advertising dollars to the media also lobby the federal government for their own special needs. It's not merely the actions of these corporations, however. The complicity of the federal government is what makes it so intolerable for many people, myself included.

I'm unaware of any efforts to organize protests, or at least campaigns against the DMCA. While some might say that such activity is better suited for war or immigration issues, I think freedom of speech issues trump both of those when it comes to the long term security of our nation.

But in the end, I think the internet is the only place such activity can truly make an impact, or at least gain enough momentum to make an impact, thanks to the inability of corporations or governments to truly squash free speech (shut down one site, two more pop up to replace it).
 
Originally posted by: w3stfa11

I agree with you, but do you honestly expect someone like Anandtech to fight against the big bad AACS owners? It'd be ridiculous if they fought them.
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It's all about civil disobedience. If the key got posted on tens of thousands of blogs and forums, could the AACS truly expect to cease-and-desist everyone? And at what point does the key become so widely known that it is no longer considered a protected secret?
 
Originally posted by: w3stfa11
Originally posted by: mcturkey
Originally posted by: dudeman007
From Kevin Rose...

Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts?

In building and shaping the site I?ve always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We?ve always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code.

But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you?ve made it clear. You?d rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won?t delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.

If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.

Digg on,

Kevin
Click to expand...

Some comments here suggested that it was unfair for the users to burden Digg with the potential legal ramifications of having this key shown on the site. I believe this had and has nothing to do with the legal trouble it may put Digg in, and more to do with the legal trouble this needs to put the AACS in. These cease-and-desist letters need to be stopped, and stopped very publicly. No corporation should wield the legal power that has been created by the DMCA. The DMCA must end.

I am very disappointed in AnandTech for deciding to delete posts containing the key. Civil disobedience is a very important function of society when dealing with corrupt and unacceptable laws. When your government ceases to represent you, it is imperative that you demonstrate this.
Click to expand...

I agree with you, but do you honestly expect someone like Anandtech to fight against the big bad AACS owners? It'd be ridiculous if they fought them.
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LOL @ person saying AT should allow blatant pirating. MP3's, Pirated Movies, all that stuff, it's stealling. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not a crime
 
Originally posted by: Accipiter22

LOL @ person saying AT should allow blatant pirating. MP3's, Pirated Movies, all that stuff, it's stealling. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not a crime
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Excuse me, but at no point did I say AT should allow any of that. I said I was disappointed that AT chose to censor a number because of a potential lawsuit. The key does not magically allow you to pirate anything, as you still need the software to make use of it. I abhor piracy, especially since my livelihood is dependent upon it not happening too widely. That said, I do not believe that laws such as the DMCA are valid, and I do not believe our legal system should permit such abuses of the law as these cease-and-desist letters coming out over a simple hexadecimal key.
 
Originally posted by: mcturkey
Originally posted by: w3stfa11

I agree with you, but do you honestly expect someone like Anandtech to fight against the big bad AACS owners? It'd be ridiculous if they fought them.
Click to expand...

It's all about civil disobedience. If the key got posted on tens of thousands of blogs and forums, could the AACS truly expect to cease-and-desist everyone? And at what point does the key become so widely known that it is no longer considered a protected secret?
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When you pony up a huge sums of money for legal bills, you can have a say on which site breaks which laws.

In the meanwhile, the law is the law. And until you put your money where your mouth is, and guarantee an outcome, we will follow the law.

Try going about things in a legal way.


Mod
 
Originally posted by: mcturkey
Originally posted by: w3stfa11

I agree with you, but do you honestly expect someone like Anandtech to fight against the big bad AACS owners? It'd be ridiculous if they fought them.
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It's all about civil disobedience. If the key got posted on tens of thousands of blogs and forums, could the AACS truly expect to cease-and-desist everyone? And at what point does the key become so widely known that it is no longer considered a protected secret?
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Whether it's public or secret, it's still protected, at least that's what AACS claims.

Mp3s are posted in thousands of blogs and forums too and obviously RIAA can't cease-and-desist everyone but they do try to stop many of the popular ones.
 
Originally posted by: tasmanian
Originally posted by: RossMAN
[mod baiting]

I've never seen the Mod post so many times in a single thread :Q

[/mod baiting]
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Hes gotta get that post count up some how.
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What makes you think the Mod on duty is a he? :evil:
 
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