digg.com is getting OWND by posts regarding the HD-DVD key lol

[smack Down]

How is a website supposed to know what 16 digit numbers it is illegal to post and which ones are legal? Does the MPAA send take down notice saying just remove that number without specifying what to remove? What would happen if someone made a cite called guesswhat16bitnumberI'mthinkoff.com and allowed anyone to upload random 16 digit numbers and download a list of past guess would they be liable if a magic 16 bit number was uploaded?

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/216/481017943_46dd1795fe_o.jpg

sooo funny

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/216/481017943_46dd1795fe_o.jpg

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: EvilRage
IMO, the biggest problem with DRM is that it creates more headaches for PAYING USERS than it does for pirates.

As an example (not of DRM, but of something that paid users are force-fed and pirates are not), I recently rented/purchased some DVDs. I popped them into my DVD player and on come the preveiws. No biggie, I don't have TV so I like seeing what's up-and-coming. Then the previews come to an end... and I get this weird commercial about stealing DVDs and how wrong it is. They compare it to stealing cars, purses, etc...

What's the problem? I've paid for this DVD, whether it was rented or bought. Why do I have to sit back and watch this crap? I'm obviously not the target for the ad. If I'd stolen it, I'd have removed that video stream from the DVD! The movie industry makes absolutely no sense...

Anyhow, back to DRM. People who pay a buck a song on iTunes are stuck only being able to listen to it on their PC or iPod. That's it. That's all you get. You can't listen to it on any other MP3 players, because of content protection. Yet if you download a torrent of the album from a torrent site, you get all the music, more often than not at superior quality, and you can do whatever you want with it because there's no content protection. Why are the paying customers punished in the fight to protect content? Doesn't this seem to be like a losing strategy? Paricularly when consumers start figuring out how much of their fair-use rights they've lost (and the number of consumers who figure that out will never amount to a majority, because the majority of people simply accept the status quo).

The corruption and greed that drive the RIAA and MPAA to protect their business models needs to end. Face it - they're in the business of keeping themselves in business, they could care less about artists' rights, and their willingness to trample all over their own customers in the name of squeezing out that extra penny is disgusting. It's a shame that the amount of effort put into breaking DRM and pirating media can't be harnessed to confront and defeat the laws themselves, because ultimately that's where the battle will be fought.

Great post. :thumbsup: It's exactly how I feel and the main reason I went from purchasing several CD's and DVD's per month to next to none now. I don't mind paying a reasonable (fair) amount for an artists work but I will not be told how I can listen to or view it. That said, if I can pay for it and be limited in how I use it or steal it and have no limitations what do you think I will do?

 

[ryan256]

Hmm... looks like the great folks over at Doom9 were the ones who discovered the key. My question is will this send all the content providers running to blu-ray since HD-DVD isn't so secure anymore?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: ryan256
Hmm... looks like the great folks over at Doom9 were the ones who discovered the key. My question is will this send all the content providers running to blu-ray since HD-DVD isn't so secure anymore?

Blu-Ray has been hacked as well. It is my understanding that current Blu-Ray discs haven't enabled the additional DRM protection yet.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: ryan256
Hmm... looks like the great folks over at Doom9 were the ones who discovered the key. My question is will this send all the content providers running to blu-ray since HD-DVD isn't so secure anymore?

Blu-ray is pwnt too.

 

[smack Down]

Don't blue ray and HD-DVD both use AACS standard so when one is cracked so is the other?

 

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: ryan256
Hmm... looks like the great folks over at Doom9 were the ones who discovered the key. My question is will this send all the content providers running to blu-ray since HD-DVD isn't so secure anymore?

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/23/blu-ray_drm_cracked/

 

[meltdown75]

heh! I love how the Drudge Report link itself contains several comments containing the code. Crazy!

 

[exdeath]

You know whats funny about all this... I have a DMS mod chip in my PS2. But all my games are purchased because they are good enough games to have the originals (the Xenosaga series for example) and the collector and sentimental value of DVD-R is $0.
Hell I still have Lunar I & II in their original format on Sega CD complete with huge plastic jewel cases and foam inserts.

I have a few games burned to CD-R/DVD-R. Guess what they are?

PS1 Parasite Eve, because the video was skipping for some reason on my original. I tried a slow 1x rip with error correction on three different PCs and I couldn't even read it that way. So I downloaded an ISO and played it from a burned copy. No skipping.

I wanted to play Kingdom Hearts one night, but the case was empty, and we couldn't find the disc. I downloaded and ISO and played it from a burned copy. We found the disc later, someone we loaned it to previously stuck the disc in the wrong case and returned to us the empty case. But I was able to play that night after about an hour wait and didn't have to shower and drive across town 40 miles.

Borrowed a commercial movie from a friend on DVD. 75% of the way through it started skipping and crashing the DVD player (PS2, PC, dedicated player, all the same). I downloaded an ISO and we watched the rest of the movie because it was 3am and we were both settled for the night and didn't want to leave the house to go rent or but a copy at that moment. Later we purchased our own copy of that movie because it was $10 and the ISO I had was deleted because it was wasting space.

Every PC game I have casually downloaded out of mere laziness I ended up buying. Take UT2004 for example. I had a pirate copy for like a month on my PC before I passed by a Editors Choice DVD at Circuit City for $30 and couldn't resist. One of the most awesome PC games ever.

I could go on and on with examples. I will not stand for DRM. I'll break it just out of general principal to say FU to the people pushing it.

But the ability to boot those DVD-R copies is just a side affect of my having a DMS chip to boot PS2 home brew and run a remote debugger over the network 😀

 

[ryan256]

Hmm... something else thats interesting. This key was up on the Doom9 site 80 days ago. I guess its just now going big since Digg has decided not to delete links to it.

BTW: I haven't been keeping up with blu-ray as I'm hoping it will lose the format war. I didn't know it had already fallen to the might of the community.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Czar This is not the product the people want, this is the product that is forced upon us.

if we didn't want it why are we buying it?

 

[Parrotheader]

I actually like Kevin Rose and I love the Diggnation podcast. I even enjoy in a Jerry Springer sort of way watching the cult that is the Digg user base. But the real question I've always had is . . .

If Steve Jobs and Kevin Rose got into a fight - which god would Mac users pull for? 😉

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Heh... This is the best kept "secret" since the FCKGW... Windows XP volume licensing key 🙂

Except that it hasn't worked for a while.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Dean
Very shortly, someone will release a hddvd decrypter software!hehe

My only concern is if the intellectual property owners will now back out of hd-dvd in favor of Bluray to protect their content? Releasing that key may ultimately seal HD-DVD's fate.

They use the exact same algorithm to encrypt Blu-Ray, namely AACS.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Czar This is not the product the people want, this is the product that is forced upon us.

if we didn't want it why are we buying it?

Because it's better than what we had before, but still not as good as what we want.

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: tangent1138

yes, you're right... government protection of a business model is stupid.
i think i'll go down to the BMW dealership and steal a car. The cops better not protect their business model by stopping me.

wake up. piracy is rampant and in case you haven't noticed, entertainment is one of the few things this country does well anymore.

cars? japan.
cell phones? korea.
computers? china.

the only thing we do really well is software, games, movies.

Copyright isn't like property ownership no matter how much the industry shills try to mix the two. My right to copy a work is protected by the constitution of the United States.

The idea behind copyright is that the public gives up their rights for a limited time which encourages the production of works. But media companies have changed that. The length of protection is such that I will never see my side of the trade, works enter the public domain, so why should I grant them their side of the trade a monopoly on copying the work?

where in the constitution does it say you have a right to copy a work?
that's a genuine question. i'm not being sarcastic.

and where do your rights as consumer end and my rights as a content producer begin?
don't i have a right to put whatever DRM i want on my content?

 

[txrandom]

The Constitution mentions something about intellectual property?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

On a completely unrelated note, here is a photograph of my kitten.

- M4H

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: tangent1138

yes, you're right... government protection of a business model is stupid.
i think i'll go down to the BMW dealership and steal a car. The cops better not protect their business model by stopping me.

wake up. piracy is rampant and in case you haven't noticed, entertainment is one of the few things this country does well anymore.

cars? japan.
cell phones? korea.
computers? china.

the only thing we do really well is software, games, movies.

Copyright isn't like property ownership no matter how much the industry shills try to mix the two. My right to copy a work is protected by the constitution of the United States.

The idea behind copyright is that the public gives up their rights for a limited time which encourages the production of works. But media companies have changed that. The length of protection is such that I will never see my side of the trade, works enter the public domain, so why should I grant them their side of the trade a monopoly on copying the work?

where in the constitution does it say you have a right to copy a work?
that's a genuine question. i'm not being sarcastic.

and where do your rights as consumer end and my rights as a content producer begin?
don't i have a right to put whatever DRM i want on my content?

Article 1 section 8
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

So after a limited time the writings are free to be copied.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: tangent1138

yes, you're right... government protection of a business model is stupid.
i think i'll go down to the BMW dealership and steal a car. The cops better not protect their business model by stopping me.

wake up. piracy is rampant and in case you haven't noticed, entertainment is one of the few things this country does well anymore.

cars? japan.
cell phones? korea.
computers? china.

the only thing we do really well is software, games, movies.

Copyright isn't like property ownership no matter how much the industry shills try to mix the two. My right to copy a work is protected by the constitution of the United States.

The idea behind copyright is that the public gives up their rights for a limited time which encourages the production of works. But media companies have changed that. The length of protection is such that I will never see my side of the trade, works enter the public domain, so why should I grant them their side of the trade a monopoly on copying the work?

where in the constitution does it say you have a right to copy a work?
that's a genuine question. i'm not being sarcastic.

and where do your rights as consumer end and my rights as a content producer begin?
don't i have a right to put whatever DRM i want on my content?

Article 1 section 8
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

So after a limited time the writings are free to be copied.

Yup, and 99 years is BS.

The movie and music producers just want to sit on their ass and release the same thing over and over again without producing any work. How many times are we going to re-release a platinum super gold edition of a movie made in the 80's every time a new format comes out and keep charging $30? I wish I could go to work for one year, and then keep collecting a pay check until the end of time. Sorry but it doesn't work that way.

And what is wrong with the cell phone industry, where they take some function that doesn't cost anything, put a lock on it so they can charge for something people were already able to do? Like Verizon disabling the bluetooth file transfer profile or MP3 player, native features in the phone you paid for, so they can charge your $1 every time you change your wallpaper? That people support it and willingly accept and pay for it pisses me off.

And some of the things that are granted copyrights and patents are ridiculous. Has anyone patented the wheel or mechanism by which the diaphragm draws air into the lungs? If not I will get those to my name right now and back charge everyone royalties for infringing :roll:

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: ryan256
Hmm... something else thats interesting. This key was up on the Doom9 site 80 days ago. I guess its just now going big since Digg has decided not to delete links to it.

BTW: I haven't been keeping up with blu-ray as I'm hoping it will lose the format war. I didn't know it had already fallen to the might of the community.

Not only that, but apparently they know where in memory to look for any key for any disc. So even if this one gets revoked, they can just look for a new key in that same spot in memory.

 

[Vegitto]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Czar This is not the product the people want, this is the product that is forced upon us.

if we didn't want it why are we buying it?

Because most people don't know what it is (or don't even know it's there in the first place), and when they ask their salesperson why they can't copy the disc, play it in their older player, etc, etc, they are just told that this is technologically impossible. Most people don't know or don't care, but if they were told it IS possible, but the industries are preventing it hoping for more profits, people'd stop buying their products.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: tangent1138

yes, you're right... government protection of a business model is stupid.
i think i'll go down to the BMW dealership and steal a car. The cops better not protect their business model by stopping me.

wake up. piracy is rampant and in case you haven't noticed, entertainment is one of the few things this country does well anymore.

cars? japan.
cell phones? korea.
computers? china.

the only thing we do really well is software, games, movies.

Copyright isn't like property ownership no matter how much the industry shills try to mix the two. My right to copy a work is protected by the constitution of the United States.

The idea behind copyright is that the public gives up their rights for a limited time which encourages the production of works. But media companies have changed that. The length of protection is such that I will never see my side of the trade, works enter the public domain, so why should I grant them their side of the trade a monopoly on copying the work?

where in the constitution does it say you have a right to copy a work?
that's a genuine question. i'm not being sarcastic.

and where do your rights as consumer end and my rights as a content producer begin?
don't i have a right to put whatever DRM i want on my content?

Article 1 section 8
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

So after a limited time the writings are free to be copied.

And that is still the case today.