digg.com is getting OWND by posts regarding the HD-DVD key lol

[meltdown75]

:music: we all have something that diggs at us... :music:

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Non sequitur. Read the whole damn post. Copyright was not originally set up in this country so that corporations could lock up every shred of human knowledge and creativity. It was intended to promote the sciences and useful arts, through a LIMITED TIME monopoly. Copyright is now essentially neverending. Every time the copyright on Steamboat Willy is about to expire, and thereby enter the public domain, Disney gets copyright extended even further. The contract that those copyright holders had with US citizens, the agreement that they would be given a LIMITED TIME monopoly on the duplication of their works, has been broken. Therefore I feel no need to hold up my end of the contract and will duplicate to my heart's desire. When copyright is returned to the 21 year limit (plus one possible 14 year extension) as it was originally, then I'll reconsider.

i must've missed the place in the constitution where it says BoberFett gets to decide the definition of Limited Time.

Ah, I just finished downloading some copyrighted material. Feels good.

Sorry, were you saying something?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: tangent1138
all i know is that, as a content producer, if i work really hard and create something good, it seems right that i should be able to sell it throughout my lifetime and reap the benefits of my hard work. if people don't see value in my work, then they don't have to buy it.

all i know is that, as a garbage man, if i work really hard and haul away peoples trash, it seems right that i should be able to sit at home throughout my lifetime and reap the benefits of my hard work. if people don't see value in my work, then they can live in piles of trash.


Yeah, sounds pretty stupid doesn't it?

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Non sequitur. Read the whole damn post. Copyright was not originally set up in this country so that corporations could lock up every shred of human knowledge and creativity. It was intended to promote the sciences and useful arts, through a LIMITED TIME monopoly. Copyright is now essentially neverending. Every time the copyright on Steamboat Willy is about to expire, and thereby enter the public domain, Disney gets copyright extended even further. The contract that those copyright holders had with US citizens, the agreement that they would be given a LIMITED TIME monopoly on the duplication of their works, has been broken. Therefore I feel no need to hold up my end of the contract and will duplicate to my heart's desire. When copyright is returned to the 21 year limit (plus one possible 14 year extension) as it was originally, then I'll reconsider.

i must've missed the place in the constitution where it says BoberFett gets to decide the definition of Limited Time.

Ah, I just finished downloading some copyrighted material. Feels good.

Sorry, were you saying something?

Wow, you really zinged me there!

That BoberFett is a witty one!

 

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[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Non sequitur. Read the whole damn post. Copyright was not originally set up in this country so that corporations could lock up every shred of human knowledge and creativity. It was intended to promote the sciences and useful arts, through a LIMITED TIME monopoly. Copyright is now essentially neverending. Every time the copyright on Steamboat Willy is about to expire, and thereby enter the public domain, Disney gets copyright extended even further. The contract that those copyright holders had with US citizens, the agreement that they would be given a LIMITED TIME monopoly on the duplication of their works, has been broken. Therefore I feel no need to hold up my end of the contract and will duplicate to my heart's desire. When copyright is returned to the 21 year limit (plus one possible 14 year extension) as it was originally, then I'll reconsider.

i must've missed the place in the constitution where it says BoberFett gets to decide the definition of Limited Time.

Ah, I just finished downloading some copyrighted material. Feels good.

Sorry, were you saying something?

Wow, you really zinged me there!

That BoberFett is a witty one!

Sorry, I guess I'll bow to your superior wit. No way I can top something like "i must've missed the place in the constitution where it says BoberFett gets to decide the definition of Limited Time."

:roll:

I do have one tip though. If you're going to criticize wit, learn how to properly punctuate and capitalize, dumbass.

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: tangent1138
all i know is that, as a content producer, if i work really hard and create something good, it seems right that i should be able to sell it throughout my lifetime and reap the benefits of my hard work. if people don't see value in my work, then they don't have to buy it.

all i know is that, as a garbage man, if i work really hard and haul away peoples trash, it seems right that i should be able to sit at home throughout my lifetime and reap the benefits of my hard work. if people don't see value in my work, then they can live in piles of trash.


Yeah, sounds pretty stupid doesn't it?

you're trying to compare the service industry and the arts?

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: BoberFett


Sorry, I guess I'll bow to your superior wit. No way I can top something like "i must've missed the place in the constitution where it says BoberFett gets to decide the definition of Limited Time."

:roll:

I do have one tip though. If you're going to criticize wit, learn how to properly punctuate and capitalize, dumbass.

I'm sorry I made you sad, BoberFett. It was all in good fun. Have a nice day...

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: BoberFett


Sorry, I guess I'll bow to your superior wit. No way I can top something like "i must've missed the place in the constitution where it says BoberFett gets to decide the definition of Limited Time."

:roll:

I do have one tip though. If you're going to criticize wit, learn how to properly punctuate and capitalize, dumbass.

I'm sorry I made you sad, BoberFett. It was all in good fun. Have a nice day...

Wish I could say the same to you. I hope your "content" is pirated endlessly and you die penniless.

Yeah, I'm an ass like that.

 

[KoolAidKid]

Originally posted by: BlameCanada
http://...../

Edit immediately or get a free ban.

EDIT: why all of the hubub about this today? Are digg users just a little slow? The key was posted on Doom9's forums in February.

 

[BoberFett]

The "hubub" is because there have been cease and disist letters have been sent recently to some sites which had the key posted. Digg pulled those references down, and the users went nuts about feeling "censored".

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: tangent1138

yes, you're right... government protection of a business model is stupid.
i think i'll go down to the BMW dealership and steal a car. The cops better not protect their business model by stopping me.

wake up. piracy is rampant and in case you haven't noticed, entertainment is one of the few things this country does well anymore.

cars? japan.
cell phones? korea.
computers? china.

the only thing we do really well is software, games, movies.

Copyright isn't like property ownership no matter how much the industry shills try to mix the two. My right to copy a work is protected by the constitution of the United States.

The idea behind copyright is that the public gives up their rights for a limited time which encourages the production of works. But media companies have changed that. The length of protection is such that I will never see my side of the trade, works enter the public domain, so why should I grant them their side of the trade a monopoly on copying the work?

where in the constitution does it say you have a right to copy a work?
that's a genuine question. i'm not being sarcastic.

and where do your rights as consumer end and my rights as a content producer begin?
don't i have a right to put whatever DRM i want on my content?

Article 1 section 8
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

So after a limited time the writings are free to be copied.

And that is still the case today.

How do you know? I have never observed a work entering public domain have you?

As an independent observer I can see no difference between a copyright length of 95 years and forever and a day because in either case any media can observe being published will still be copyrighted when I die.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: tangent1138
all i know is that, as a content producer, if i work really hard and create something good, it seems right that i should be able to sell it throughout my lifetime and reap the benefits of my hard work. if people don't see value in my work, then they don't have to buy it.

Why? if you sell me your work that you worked real hard at why should I not be free to see that it is a good idea and start producing the same product. Why can't you compete with me if it is such a good idea?

If picking up garbage is a really good idea shouldn't I be the only one allowed to provide that service?

 

[Cabages]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: tangent1138
all i know is that, as a content producer, if i work really hard and create something good, it seems right that i should be able to sell it throughout my lifetime and reap the benefits of my hard work. if people don't see value in my work, then they don't have to buy it.

Why? if you sell me your work that you worked real hard at why should I not be free to see that it is a good idea and start producing the same product. Why can't you compete with me if it is such a good idea?

If picking up garbage is a really good idea shouldn't I be the only one allowed to provide that service?

Hes not saying he wants exclusivity. Hes saying he doesnt want people somehow stealing his hard work, and he getting no compensation

 

[tatteredpotato]

I think I'm going to use the number 2 as a key in a new DRM scheme. From now on all instances of "2" are forbidden!

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: BlameCanada
I think I'm going to use the number 2 as a key in a new DRM scheme. From now on all instances of "2" are forbidden!

I wanted #2

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: exdeath
In the constitution, we've been over that already. A producer of an original work is indeed entitled to profit compensation for their work, research, time, etc. It's the capitalist way.

But how long is long enough? What is up for debate is how long exclusive rights should be awarded for a work. 95 years is ridiculous, or I'd have to be paying Henry Ford and his descendants to get a license grant to assemble a go-kart in my back yard, just to point out one example of how absurd unreasonably long term copyrights and patents are.

Patents expire after a much shorter period of time than copyrights. You can't compare patents to Elvis's greatest hits.

Only because of lobbying by media producers to increase copyright times to something unreasonable to secure their dreams of 'something for nothing' so they can continue repackaging the same movie for $20 even years after the original actors are dead and gone. It would be the same thing if Henry Ford successfully lobbied to have patent times extended to 150 years so he and his family would retain a monopoly on the assembly line production of automobiles. But he didn't have to do that because he didn't plan on selling the Model T for $25,000 in 2007. He was busy coming up with new things and designing new cars that people would buy, not figuring out ways to protect his monopoly so he could sell the same thing forever without innovating anymore. And people want to buy new movies all the time as well, so why is Hollywood so concerned about retaining exclusive rights to stuff that was made over 50 years ago when people are lining up to see new stuff?

A work is a work. Why is it that it's ok for someone who records a record 50 years ago to retain a monopoly on that work, but the person who discovers the cure for cancer has to give up his monopoly after only 20 years?

What is the difference?

"Article 1 section 8
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries"

There is no separate distinction or priority given to either.

I'm waiting for you to say that the cure for cancer is more beneficial to society so we should take away exclusive rights sooner to benefit all; that would make you the socialist.

you're right. we should extend the patent to 50 years. you should write your elected officials about that.

all i know is that, as a content producer, if i work really hard and create something good, it seems right that i should be able to sell it throughout my lifetime and reap the benefits of my hard work. if people don't see value in my work, then they don't have to buy it.

And if I work for you and I work really hard for one day, I should be able to get a paycheck for the rest of my life and not show up anymore, because I worked really hard and put out good results for you for that one day.

If you don't agree with me I'll get the government to protect my right to be paid for that 1 day of work forever and you'll have no choice.

 

[tatteredpotato]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: BlameCanada
I think I'm going to use the number 2 as a key in a new DRM scheme. From now on all instances of "2" are forbidden!

I wanted #2

Watch it buddy, I'll let you off with a warning this time.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: tangent1138
all i know is that, as a content producer, if i work really hard and create something good, it seems right that i should be able to sell it throughout my lifetime and reap the benefits of my hard work. if people don't see value in my work, then they don't have to buy it.

Why? if you sell me your work that you worked real hard at why should I not be free to see that it is a good idea and start producing the same product. Why can't you compete with me if it is such a good idea?

If picking up garbage is a really good idea shouldn't I be the only one allowed to provide that service?

Yeah, and you only do it one time, and never have to do it again because you were really good at it for a week. But people still have to pay you. You don't have to work for another week or get another job when the money runs out.

And if people stop paying, you can just snuggle up with some of your buddies in the government and get them to require people to continue paying you for 101 years after you've picked up their trash.

Seriously, people DO deserve compensation for their work. But the free ride has to end after some amount of time. Otherwise we would be paying somebody a fee every time we uttered words such as "Mona Lisa"

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: BlameCanada

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: BlameCanada
I think I'm going to use the number 2 as a key in a new DRM scheme. From now on all instances of "2" are forbidden!

I wanted #2

Watch it buddy, I'll let you off with a warning this time.

:Q

/me hides under desk from cease & desist police

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: tangent1138
all i know is that, as a content producer, if i work really hard and create something good, it seems right that i should be able to sell it throughout my lifetime and reap the benefits of my hard work. if people don't see value in my work, then they don't have to buy it.

Why? if you sell me your work that you worked real hard at why should I not be free to see that it is a good idea and start producing the same product. Why can't you compete with me if it is such a good idea?

If picking up garbage is a really good idea shouldn't I be the only one allowed to provide that service?

Yeah, and you only do it one time, and never have to do it again because you were really good at it for a week. But people still have to pay you. You don't have to work for another week or get another job when the money runs out.

And if people stop paying, you can just snuggle up with some of your buddies in the government and get them to require people to continue paying you for 101 years after you've picked up their trash.

Seriously, people DO deserve compensation for their work. But the free ride has to end after some amount of time. Otherwise we would be paying somebody a fee every time we uttered words such as "Mona Lisa"

you seem to be infusing a lot of anger and jealousy in your argument. i'm not asking for a free ride. I'm asking to be paid for my content.

surely you can see the different between going to a store an buying a music CD versus the service industry of getting garbage picked up?

And, ironically, garbage men frequently have better retirement plans than musicians. They're called pensions. Garbage men get them, musicians don't.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: BlameCanada

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: BlameCanada
I think I'm going to use the number 2 as a key in a new DRM scheme. From now on all instances of "2" are forbidden!

I wanted #2

Watch it buddy, I'll let you off with a warning this time.

:Q

/me hides under desk from cease & desist police

WHO DOES #2 WORK FOR?

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
[

Wish I could say the same to you. I hope your "content" is pirated endlessly and you die penniless.

Yeah, I'm an ass like that.[/quote]

why are you so angry at me? i wish you no ill, why would you do the same to me?

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: tangent1138
all i know is that, as a content producer, if i work really hard and create something good, it seems right that i should be able to sell it throughout my lifetime and reap the benefits of my hard work. if people don't see value in my work, then they don't have to buy it.

Why? if you sell me your work that you worked real hard at why should I not be free to see that it is a good idea and start producing the same product. Why can't you compete with me if it is such a good idea?

If picking up garbage is a really good idea shouldn't I be the only one allowed to provide that service?

Yeah, and you only do it one time, and never have to do it again because you were really good at it for a week. But people still have to pay you. You don't have to work for another week or get another job when the money runs out.

And if people stop paying, you can just snuggle up with some of your buddies in the government and get them to require people to continue paying you for 101 years after you've picked up their trash.

Seriously, people DO deserve compensation for their work. But the free ride has to end after some amount of time. Otherwise we would be paying somebody a fee every time we uttered words such as "Mona Lisa"

surely you can see the different between going to a store an buying a music CD versus the service industry of getting garbage picked up?

Why is it different? Why should one person be required to exchange a day of labor for a fair days pay, while another person can exchange 1 day of labor for 99 years of pay and have it guaranteed by the government? Before recordable media, musicians earned their money by working hard and traveling the country giving concerts and actually performing., and they still do it today. CDs are just icing on the cake. Sports players, regardless if you think what they make is ridiculous or not, at least they are out in the field performing for that money. They don't play one game, make a recording of it, and sit on their butt for 99 years making money off of it while suing anybody who downloads a copy or happens to watch their friends copy for free.

I also find it funny how it's ok for me to listen to a song on the radio for free, listen to my friends CD for free, listen to it for free on internet radio without paying any attention to the ads, or it's ok for me to make a recording of it onto a cassette tape over the air on FM raido. But a MP3 is bad? Why?

Don't get me wrong, I do support people being paid for their work, but when does 'fair compensation for hard work' become 'wanting a free ride for all eternity' and suing anybody who doesn't fork over their $20 every time they happen to hear a song playing on any radio they walk by without owning the CD?

 

[tatteredpotato]

I don't have a problem with paying for movies, I do have a problem with paying for movies for every single device I play them on.