Different approaches to a shut down

[sdifox]

Does the government also forgo income while shutdown? Cuz otherwise it is fraud.

 

[allisolm]

The entire government is shut down and one guy is arguing about how great it is that national monuments will stay open this time lol.

That's because his fallback position is always whataboutism.

 

[Meghan54]

That's because his fallback position is always whataboutism.

Well, when that's about the only argument you've got, you play it. Never mind it's rather infantile, sometimes you gotta play the hand you're dealt....as long as you're willing to mindlessly toe the line for Trump.

 

[Bowfinger]

''The government might be shut down Saturday morning, but that did not stop Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke from doing his job.

Early in the morning, Zinke could be found cleaning up trash on the National Mall and welcoming tours of schoolchildren to the World War II memorial with a smile.

“We’re not putting up barricades,” Zinke told The Daily Caller in an interview. “Absolutely not. We’re passing out brochures until we run out of brochures. I’ll be out here everyday.” ...

It's just a show, performed to dupe the rubes. It's akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, painting a facade of normalcy while the ship sinks beneath us. It's sad that so many are eager to be conned by them. Again.

 

[Puffnstuff]

He uses a lot more words to say the same thing. I see it as something of a public service to provide the short form. Saves people time.

He repeats himself 3 or more times in the same sentence.

 

[fskimospy]

Here’s some info from actual park rangers as to why this is a dumb idea:

https://newrepublic.com/article/146661/perilous-shutdown-plan-national-parks

One current National Park Service employee—a veteran ranger who asked not to be named for fear of retaliation—told me this was legitimately his biggest concern, especially if the shutdown lasts as long as previous ones (the 2013 shutdown lasted 17 days). “That’s the number one thing they teach you in ranger school: You don’t want parks open without bathrooms open,” he said. Large parks, like Death Valley, get about 3,000 visitors a day on average. What happens if there aren’t any bathrooms? “Imagine how much exposed feces there might be,” he said.

This is another one of those cases where it’s obvious they didn’t think things through. There’s quite a few areas in national parks that are very dangerous to visitors, where there’s fragile ecosystems that need to be protected, and where people will quite literally start shitting everywhere because there’s nowhere else to go.

This is the problem when you end up with people who aren’t very smart or well informed running the government.

 

[fskimospy]

This is also a different approach to a shutdown, lol.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/20/us/politics/trump-shutdown.html

By afternoon, the president’s trip — which was to include a lavish $100,000-per-couple party to celebrate his first year in office — had been shelved as aides contemplated with dread the potential practical and political impacts of shuttering the government.

Inside the White House, Mr. Trump, the neophyte president who has styled himself the ultimate dealmaker, remained remarkably disengaged from the complex process of hammering out a politically palatable deal that could provide a way out of the morass.

Poor Trump, he couldn’t go and collect bribes being paid to him in person and instead had to sit around the White House doing nothing.

Well, not exactly nothing:

Irritated to have missed his big event in Florida, Mr. Trump spent much of his day watching old TV clips of him berating President Barack Obama for a lack of leadership during the 2013 government shutdown, a White House aide said, seeming content to sit back and watch the show.

That’s right, he’s sitting around watching TV clips of himself. Hahaha. There is no new level of stupidity, failure, and narcissism this guy can’t sink to.

 

[dank69]

I'm not certain taking the high road is the right course of action in the Schumer Shutdown (SS) but it's always good for a laugh to read the replies from the 'highly educated' leftists when presented with information that shows them to be petty assholes that can't think any further than one step ahead. Schumer is their ringleader at the moment.

Here's a fun fact; schumer in German is a nickname for a good-for-nothing or vagabond.

You guys keep telling yourselves that you'll be able to pin this on the Dems, but these actions are transparent attempts to hide the real consequences of Republican leadership.

Let's see how the polls look when the public is asked straight up if D or R are to blame for the shutdown.

 

[IronWing]

As a Senate confirmed appointee, Zinke gets paid regardless of the shutdown. It's a function of the Constitutional separation of powers. Let me know when he switches from picking up trash to keeping the bathrooms clean.

 

[Bowfinger]

As a Senate confirmed appointee, Zinke gets paid regardless of the shutdown. It's a function of the Constitutional separation of powers. Let me know when he switches from picking up trash to keeping the bathrooms clean.

I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of bathrooms the federal government has. Zinke is going to need to pick up the pace.

 

[IronWing]

I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of bathrooms the federal government has. Zinke is going to need to pick up the pace.

What amuses me is that if the 2018 elections go bad for the Republicans, Zinke is going primary the shit out of Trump. Zinke keeps himself in the headlines almost as well as Trump does.

 

[allisolm]

What Trump said in 2013 about the shutdown:

“Well, if you say who gets fired it always has to be the top,” Trump said. “I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president’s the leader. And he’s got to get everybody in a room and he’s got to lead.”
He said that further down in history, “when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time.”

“They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington,” Trump said.

“So I really think the pressure is on the president,” he added.

So, according to Trump, the person to blame today is Trump.

 

[dank69]

What Trump said in 2013 about the shutdown:

“Well, if you say who gets fired it always has to be the top,” Trump said. “I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president’s the leader. And he’s got to get everybody in a room and he’s got to lead.”
He said that further down in history, “when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time.”

“They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington,” Trump said.

“So I really think the pressure is on the president,” he added.

So, according to Trump, the person to blame today is Trump.

Yet he spent yesterday afternoon watching himself say those things because it made him feel good. Think he thinks he is to blame for this shutdown? Nope. Think he understands the hypocrisy? Nope.

 

[allisolm]

Think he thinks he is to blame for this shutdown? Nope. Think he understands the hypocrisy? Nope.

Agree and agree.

 

[VRAMdemon]

What Trump said in 2013 about the shutdown:

“Well, if you say who gets fired it always has to be the top,” Trump said. “I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president’s the leader. And he’s got to get everybody in a room and he’s got to lead.”
He said that further down in history, “when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time.”

“They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington,” Trump said.

“So I really think the pressure is on the president,” he added.

So, according to Trump, the person to blame today is Trump.

Trump being the man of his word..should take his own advice and fire himself, yes, no?....

 

[VRAMdemon]

You guys keep telling yourselves that you'll be able to pin this on the Dems, but these actions are transparent attempts to hide the real consequences of Republican leadership.

Let's see how the polls look when the public is asked straight up if D or R are to blame for the shutdown.

It’s kind of like a football team whining that they lost the Super Bowl because the other team didn’t want to help them win.

To paraphrase some Republican about 8 years ago - “We’re the opposition party. We oppose. That’s what we do”

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Actually barring any obscure differences, if it does not do so, the Trump administration would be indisputably breaking the law. As contract civilians the priests clearly would have to be furloughed during the shutdown. Allowing them to engage in their jobs on a "volunteer" basis without a threat of discipline if they did so would basically put the government in the position of having them legally speaking working and the government on the hook for paying them for this work if it was pursued. (With the government again plainly violating the law.)

I find it curious that you supposedly are so concerned about the proper legal procedures with DACA but are not concerned with them in this area.

There is also the issue of putting the public at risk in various cases by having them continue to enter some of these parks (especially beyond the Washington Monument and the like) without proper staffing while also potentially puts park resources at risk in the process.

Maybe because i only have your word about it which is worth very little to me.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

That's because his fallback position is always whataboutism.

So you supported President Obama's shutdown of National Parks in the last shutdown? Sounds like it.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

From the Obama shutdown in 2013 :

'Gestapo' tactics meet senior citizens at Yellowstone

"
NEWBURYPORT — Pat Vaillancourt went on a trip last week that was intended to showcase some of America’s greatest treasures.

Instead, the Salisbury resident said she and others on her tour bus witnessed an ugly spectacle that made her embarrassed, angry and heartbroken for her country.

Vaillancourt was one of thousands of people who found themselves in a national park as the federal government shutdown went into effect on Oct. 1. For many hours her tour group, which included senior citizen visitors from Japan, Australia, Canada and the United States, were locked in a Yellowstone National Park hotel under armed guard.



The tourists were treated harshly by armed park employees, she said, so much so that some of the foreign tourists with limited English skills thought they were under arrest.

When finally allowed to leave, the bus was not allowed to halt at all along the 2.5-hour trip out of the park, not even to stop at private bathrooms that were open along the route.

“We’ve become a country of fear, guns and control,” said Vaillancourt, who grew up in Lawrence. “It was like they brought out the armed forces. Nobody was saying, ‘we’re sorry,’ it was all like — ” as she clenched her fist and banged it against her forearm.

Vaillancourt took part in a nine-day tour of western parks and sites along with about four dozen senior citizen tourists. One of the highlights of the tour was to be Yellowstone, where they arrived just as the shutdown went into effect.

Rangers systematically sent visitors out of the park, though some groups that had hotel reservations — such as Vaillancourt’s — were allowed to stay for two days. Those two days started out on a sour note, she said." ...........

http://www.newburyportnews.com/news...cle_bd36efd7-2593-50d8-b413-bfb888a40038.html

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Yet another beauty from President Obama during his 2013 government shutdown.

NBC: Police Remove Vietnam War Veterans at Memorial Wall

"Via William Jacobson, NBC's affiliate in Washington, D.C. reports that police ordered tourists and Vietnam war veterans who were visiting the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall to leave the memorial at one point on Friday.

After one group of veterans went around the barricade, "the park ranger told them the wall was closed," NBC's Mark Seagraves reported. "Later another group of vets showed up and moved the barricades. At that point, the memorial filled with vets and tourists. That's when police came and moved everyone out."

The Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall is a black granite outdoor wall on which the names of the 58,272 service members who died or were unaccounted for during the Vietnam war are inscribed.

It takes more manpower and costs the government more money to close down an outdoor wall than to let people walk past it and pay their respects." ............................

Ahhh another fond memory of that douchebag Obama and his lovely shenanigans. Closing down the veterans monuments to show his hate and anger and contempt and disdain to the American people.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/nbc-police-remove-vietnam-war-veterans-memorial-wall/article/759267

 

[IronWing]

Elections and subsequent shutdowns have consequences. Had the Republicans not shut down the government, the parks would have been able to remain open. Your just-so story of the veterans neglects that the entire episode was staged by a Republican Congressman who had just voted to shut down the government. Disgraceful.

It is illegal to spend money not authorized by Congress. If Zinke is spending general funds not appropriated, he is in criminal violation.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Elections and subsequent shutdowns have consequences. Had the Republicans not shut down the government, the parks would have been able to remain open. Your just-so story of the veterans neglects that the entire episode was staged by a Republican Congressman who had just voted to shut down the government. Disgraceful.

You forgot that this is the "Schumer Shutdown", get it right next time.

 

[IronWing]

You forgot that this is the "Schumer Shutdown", get it right next time.

Why? Schumer had nothing to do with the shutdown. This is yet one more Republican shitshow. Schumer's only mistake was agreeing to meet with Trump in attempt to salvage something instead of letting the Republicans deal with their own mess. But you know that. You just like telling lies.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Why? Schumer had nothing to do with the shutdown. This is yet one more Republican shitshow. Schumer's only mistake was agreeing to meet with Trump in attempt to salvage something instead of letting the Republicans deal with their own mess. But you know that. You just like telling lies.

I respect you. In this case it was Chuck Schumer that objected to consent and caused the shutdown. It's the "Schumer Shutdown"

 

[Puffnstuff]

You forgot that this is the "Schumer Shutdown", get it right next time.

Trump is the one that reneged on his promise to support the agreement that the gang of 6 arrived at so keep your facts straight.