Different approaches to a shut down

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The Trump/Zinke approach.


''The government might be shut down Saturday morning, but that did not stop Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke from doing his job.

Early in the morning, Zinke could be found cleaning up trash on the National Mall and welcoming tours of schoolchildren to the World War II memorial with a smile.

“We’re not putting up barricades,” Zinke told The Daily Caller in an interview. “Absolutely not. We’re passing out brochures until we run out of brochures. I’ll be out here everyday.”

Zinke, and much of the federal government, has had the vast majority of staff furloughed due to the government shutdown.


The shutdown happened on Friday when Democrats refused to vote for a GOP budget bill that kept the government funded. A shutdown means all “non-essential” government workers get furloughed and the rest go without pay until Congress can pass a funding bill.
The last government shutdown was in 2013 under the Obama administration. For that shutdown, the Department of Interior made the controversial decision to close public parks, monuments and battlefields. The decision led to some comical and ultimately sad stories of children having their D.C. school trips canceled and veterans not being able to visit monuments built in their honor.

However, if you were looking for similar headlines under the Trump administration, keep looking.

In the first hours of the government shutdown Secretary Zinke was making plans for how to keep America’s public parks open. In the early hours of Saturday morning, Zinke met with public affairs and maintenance staff to run through a plan to keep memorials on the National Mall open. He then spoke with garbagemen who will be picking up trash on the Mall one last time before the city of D.C. takes over for them."
http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/20/s...-trash-ensuring-the-wwii-memorial-stays-open/


The Obama approach


"It’s called Washington Monument Syndrome.

That’s shorthand for the way federal agencies react to any threat of budget cuts or a government shutdown: by closing down the most popular public services.

No one has mastered this better than President Obama.

Which explains the dramatic — and wholly unnecessary — confrontation Tuesday at the World War II Memorial on the National Mall. Faced with signs saying the memorial was closed, war vets rightly pushed past makeshift gates and barricades to make their visit.

That there were barricades at all underscores the phony politics at work."
https://nypost.com/2013/10/03/obama-shuts-down-wwii-national-memorial/

I like the Trump/Zinke approach myself.
 
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umbrella39

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LOL. Trump told him to go clean trash after he put him on his knee and spanked him in the oval office after Zinke put his foot in his mouth.

"Trump administration officials have not yet decided whether to allow offshore drilling near Florida’s coasts, a key official said Friday, despite Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke's statement otherwise.

Walter Cruickshank, the acting director of the Interior Department’s Bureau of Ocean Energy Management (BOEM), did not back up Zinke’s statement last week that Florida is off the table for drilling."

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...g-official-zinkes-florida-exemption-was-not-a

Fuck with Trump you get the small horns and garbage detail.
 

Moonbeam

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Trump people are real heroes. I assume it’s my lack of any emotional connection to Trump as a source of personal pride that makes me see right through this. I think you will always lack objectivity so long as you need to feel pride in something other than your own self. I am the greatest and in part because I have the sense to have cut out the middle men. My other secret to massive success is that I’m content to have totally perfected the art of being a nobody. What a burden you drop when you have no objective to reach. You should try starting at the finish line. It takes a lot of the edge off the fear of not winning.
 

UberNeuman

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ah, so soon the desperations of the Trump Government Shut Down begins...

\maybe you can get Ryan to go out and clean some pots and pans... lol.........
 
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Remember when the Obama administration during his shutdown in 2013 threatened Catholic priests in the military with arrest for celebrating mass?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...ilitary-face-arrest-for-celebrating-mass.html


"The U.S. military has furloughed as many as 50 Catholic chaplains due to the partial suspension of government services, banning them from celebrating weekend Mass. At least one chaplain was told that if he engaged in any ministry activity, he would be subjected to disciplinary action.

“In very practical terms it means Sunday Mass won’t be offered,” Archbishop Timothy Broglio of the Archdiocese for the Military Services told me. “If someone has a baptism scheduled, it won’t be celebrated.”

The Archdiocese for the Military Services tells me the military installations impacted are served by non-active-duty priests who were hired as government contractors. As a result of a shortage of active duty Catholic chaplains, the government hires contract priests."




Let's watch and see if the Trump administration makes the same threats against priests. Somehow I doubt it.
 
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It's obvious. Isn't it?

Remember when the Obama administration actually closed down Mt. Rushmore National Park so that people couldn't even drive up the road and look at the mountain? What a sweetheart, what a great American. Do you think President Trump is going to do the same Neuman?

http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/mo...cle_386301ce-d067-5be7-973e-73d4f6eb6ad9.html

"South Dakota's most iconic monument closed its entrance to tourists this morning following a government shutdown that has crippled public services across the nation."
 

UberNeuman

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Remember when the Obama administration actually closed down Mt. Rushmore National Park so that people couldn't even drive up the road and look at the mountain? What a sweetheart, what a great American. Do you think President Trump is going to do the same Neuman?

http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/mo...cle_386301ce-d067-5be7-973e-73d4f6eb6ad9.html

"South Dakota's most iconic monument closed its entrance to tourists this morning following a government shutdown that has crippled public services across the nation."

I look forward to Mitch McConnell out there picking up trash and passing out park tickets.... lol........
 

Ken g6

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I heard the parks are open but the bathrooms are closed. Which could lead to some messes.
 
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I heard the parks are open but the bathrooms are closed. Which could lead to some messes.

Maybe we can follow that up and see if it's accurate.

Back to the 2013 Obama shutdown :


"“It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

................................................."The Park Service appears to be closing streets on mere whim and caprice. The rangers even closed the parking lot at Mount Vernon, where the plantation home of George Washington is a favorite tourist destination. That was after they barred the new World War II Memorial on the Mall to veterans of World War II. But the government does not own Mount Vernon; it is privately owned by the Mount Vernon Ladies’ Association. The ladies bought it years ago to preserve it as a national memorial. The feds closed access to the parking lots this week, even though the lots are jointly owned with the Mount Vernon ladies. The rangers are from the government, and they’re only here to help."

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/
 

Aegeon

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Let's watch and see if the Trump administration makes the same threats against priests. Somehow I doubt it.
Actually barring any obscure differences, if it does not do so, the Trump administration would be indisputably breaking the law. As contract civilians the priests clearly would have to be furloughed during the shutdown. Allowing them to engage in their jobs on a "volunteer" basis without a threat of discipline if they did so would basically put the government in the position of having them legally speaking working and the government on the hook for paying them for this work if it was pursued. (With the government again plainly violating the law.)

I find it curious that you supposedly are so concerned about the proper legal procedures with DACA but are not concerned with them in this area.

There is also the issue of putting the public at risk in various cases by having them continue to enter some of these parks (especially beyond the Washington Monument and the like) without proper staffing while also potentially puts park resources at risk in the process.
 

theeedude

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Trump nominees shut down their agencies functioning when they walked in the door. CFPB head asked for $0 budget, CDC forbade science and evidence, FCC gave up it's power to regulate internet, EPA, well Scott Pruitt.
 
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(translation) Hail Trump!

Remember when the Obama administration during his shutdown in 2013 threatened Catholic priests in the military with arrest for celebrating mass?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...ilitary-face-arrest-for-celebrating-mass.html


"The U.S. military has furloughed as many as 50 Catholic chaplains due to the partial suspension of government services, banning them from celebrating weekend Mass. At least one chaplain was told that if he engaged in any ministry activity, he would be subjected to disciplinary action.

“In very practical terms it means Sunday Mass won’t be offered,” Archbishop Timothy Broglio of the Archdiocese for the Military Services told me. “If someone has a baptism scheduled, it won’t be celebrated.”

The Archdiocese for the Military Services tells me the military installations impacted are served by non-active-duty priests who were hired as government contractors. As a result of a shortage of active duty Catholic chaplains, the government hires contract priests."




Let's watch and see if the Trump administration makes the same threats against priests. Somehow I doubt it.
 
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(translation) Hail Trump!

Remember when the Obama administration actually closed down Mt. Rushmore National Park so that people couldn't even drive up the road and look at the mountain? What a sweetheart, what a great American. Do you think President Trump is going to do the same Neuman?

http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/mo...cle_386301ce-d067-5be7-973e-73d4f6eb6ad9.html

"South Dakota's most iconic monument closed its entrance to tourists this morning following a government shutdown that has crippled public services across the nation."
 
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(translation) Hail Trump!

Maybe we can follow that up and see if it's accurate.

Back to the 2013 Obama shutdown :


"“It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

................................................."The Park Service appears to be closing streets on mere whim and caprice. The rangers even closed the parking lot at Mount Vernon, where the plantation home of George Washington is a favorite tourist destination. That was after they barred the new World War II Memorial on the Mall to veterans of World War II. But the government does not own Mount Vernon; it is privately owned by the Mount Vernon Ladies’ Association. The ladies bought it years ago to preserve it as a national memorial. The feds closed access to the parking lots this week, even though the lots are jointly owned with the Mount Vernon ladies. The rangers are from the government, and they’re only here to help."

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/
 

boomerang

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I'm not certain taking the high road is the right course of action in the Schumer Shutdown (SS) but it's always good for a laugh to read the replies from the 'highly educated' leftists when presented with information that shows them to be petty assholes that can't think any further than one step ahead. Schumer is their ringleader at the moment.

Here's a fun fact; schumer in German is a nickname for a good-for-nothing or vagabond.
 
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Puffnstuff

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(translation) Hail Trump!
Indeed.
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interchange

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Yeah there are lots of failing businesses out there that rope people into working sometimes months without pay because they promise they'll get the money soon.

Tell me, what has Trump been doing to prevent and now stop this shutdown?
 

pete6032

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The entire government is shut down and one guy is arguing about how great it is that national monuments will stay open this time lol.