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I didn’t support Kavanaugh because of the perjury allegations, but then the hearings became the Avenatti circus.

"but" has no place in that sentence. You are constantly evading saying what you clearly admit to be true. I'm not sure if it's because you still want to support Kavanaugh but know it's wrong or you're afraid being on the side of Democrats once is some kind of weakness. If you truly care, post the text below and be greeted with a chorus of likes:

I support Kavanaugh's removal because outright perjury is an inexcusable offense for a member of our highest court no matter how much of a circus the hearings became.
 

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the GOP desire to seat Kavanaugh at all cost appears to be coming back to bite them in the ass.
 

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Frankly, because Donald Trump is an illegitimate president due to his traitorous acts and the fact he lost the election by 3 million votes, Trump should be impeached THEN ALL of his court justices deemed also illegitimate and removed from the court.
And not only US Supreme Court justices that Trump put in there, but any and all judges that Trump nominated and ended up actually serving.
After removing his court justices, then follow that by dissolving every one of his executive orders.
As the pharaoh Ramses of Egypt did with Moses, wipe the name of Donald Trump from every history book, from every building even if Trump owned it, wipe the name of Donald Trump from every scroll and tablet.
Then, either toss Donald Trump into prison for traitorous activities against the United States, or force Trump into exile.
I'd suggest Greenland. Maybe he could buy it.
 
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Considering he was being accused of sexual assault during his younger years by multiple credible sources, it would seem to me that what he wrote in his yearbook and how he behaved when drunk at the time is highly relevant, particularly considering he already lied under oath about his drinking habits from the time.
So then bring charges against him for sexual assault in a court of law.
 

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Had I discovered what I should have known, that I fucked up another person's life because of my own drunken lusts, I would hope I'd have the courage to abandon success that might lay before me to atone at least in part for my sins. I would also want to say I am sorry.
As would I, but this standard is inconsistently applied when it comes to political opportunism.
 

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"but" has no place in that sentence. You are constantly evading saying what you clearly admit to be true. I'm not sure if it's because you still want to support Kavanaugh but know it's wrong or you're afraid being on the side of Democrats once is some kind of weakness. If you truly care, post the text below and be greeted with a chorus of likes:

I support Kavanaugh's removal because outright perjury is an inexcusable offense for a member of our highest court no matter how much of a circus the hearings became.

What’s odd is that he seems comfortable with denying Kavanaugh a seat on the court based on perjury charges that have not been proven in a court of law but multiple credible charges of sexual crimes that have not been proven in a court of law. This makes no sense to me.

Also I’m still not clear in why our only two options are to imprison Kavanaugh or give him enormous lifetime power.
 

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So then bring charges against him for sexual assault in a court of law.

RAINN used FBI data to estimate that about 6 in 1,000 rapes result in incarceration. I presume that the odds for someone with the resources of Kavanaugh are much worse. The process of seeking legal recourse for a victim can be highly retraumatizing resulting in even greater damage in people that are at high risk of suicide. Looking at dates on its face, it's probably logical not to pursue justice and that's pretty damn sad.

So if you want justice for victims of sexual assault, advocating for criminal charges is an extremely poor choice at present. Perhaps some legal reform could improve things. But for the moment I think a preponderance of evidence standard to prevent a rapist or perjuror from being a Supreme Court Justice is a good start.
 
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Kavanaugh is poison just like everything else Donald Trump does or has done or tries to do.
Trump needs to go, and that Trump legacy swamp needs to be drained of all the corruption Donald Trump has put there.
Kavanaugh is only a small teeny tiny particle in that massive Trump swamp of muck.
If I were Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren, I'd harp on that subject, and run on the draining of the swamp and what that would include like impeaching Kavanaugh and the others.
Point out not only the failures of Donald Trump himself, but the kind of people Trump surrounds himself with and appoints/nominates to positions of power.
It's not only Kavanaugh, they all need to go if we can ever turn that swamp back to a fresh clean babbling brook.
 

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This is exactly the nightmare scenario we guys have been warning about, right? You're at a party with your pants around your ankles, you and your exposed penis innocently minding your own business, And some guys pushed his penis into some lady’s face and then out of the blue you get accused of improper behavior..
 

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For what it's worth I don't think this accusation will go any further than the others. Kavanaugh, like Trump, has reached a position where he is immune to prosecution because of the perception that it is politically motivated. It would not matter if there was video of him doing it, bragging that he was doing it and citing a law textbook for the exact statute he was breaking in that moment. His party will simply dismiss it as partisan fake news and will demonize Bill Clinton in response. He's a partisan hack. I have zero confidence he will ever suffer any consequences.

The real justice may be long in coming but Kavanaugh may have to face it eventually. He has two daughters. Because of the world we live in, those daughters may at some point in their lives end up in a situation where a man is demanding something sexual of them that they are not prepared to give. And they will go back to their dad thinking that he will get justice for them... And Brett Kavanaugh will have to look at someone who forced/exposed themselves sexually on his daughter and he'll have to check their political affiliation to see if that person is an up and coming Republican. And if the answer to that question is yes, he's going to have to tell his own daughter to stop being a slut because look what you made the decent, honest man do to you and look at how you almost ruined his career with your whoring. While I expect the blatant hypocrisy to cause him no more than a moment of dismay, his daughters will hopefully realize what a scumbag their father is.
 

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Maybe the bar to the Supreme Court should be higher than "Hey, he wasn't convicted of felony sex crimes."

has any offical charges been files or has he been arrested and gone to trial? gotta have those to even try to day he wasn't convicted of anything. oh way this is pubic opinion and a she said thing, so he is guilty.
 

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For what it's worth I don't think this accusation will go any further than the others. Kavanaugh, like Trump, has reached a position where he is immune to prosecution because of the perception that it is politically motivated. It would not matter if there was video of him doing it, bragging that he was doing it and citing a law textbook for the exact statute he was breaking in that moment. His party will simply dismiss it as partisan fake news and will demonize Bill Clinton in response. He's a partisan hack. I have zero confidence he will ever suffer any consequences.

The real justice may be long in coming but Kavanaugh may have to face it eventually. He has two daughters. Because of the world we live in, those daughters may at some point in their lives end up in a situation where a man is demanding something sexual of them that they are not prepared to give. And they will go back to their dad thinking that he will get justice for them... And Brett Kavanaugh will have to look at someone who forced/exposed themselves sexually on his daughter and he'll have to check their political affiliation to see if that person is an up and coming Republican. And if the answer to that question is yes, he's going to have to tell his own daughter to stop being a slut because look what you made the decent, honest man do to you and look at how you almost ruined his career with your whoring. While I expect the blatant hypocrisy to cause him no more than a moment of dismay, his daughters will hopefully realize what a scumbag their father is.

Yes, this is why he shouldn’t have. Even confirmed in the first place. Now that he’s been ‘hired’ you need a house majority and 67 senators to ‘fire’ him, something we will never get.

Now on the Supreme Court we have a guy who probably sexually assaulted one or more people and someone who almost certainly lied under oath to the US Senate about it.

Just once it would be nice to see conservatives put their country before their party.
 
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has any offical charges been files or has he been arrested and gone to trial? gotta have those to even try to day he wasn't convicted of anything. oh way this is pubic opinion and a she said thing, so he is guilty.

Welcome to the nomination process. It's not a court of law but a court of politics and public opinion. The nominee isn't entitled to the job.
 
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"but" has no place in that sentence. You are constantly evading saying what you clearly admit to be true. I'm not sure if it's because you still want to support Kavanaugh but know it's wrong or you're afraid being on the side of Democrats once is some kind of weakness. If you truly care, post the text below and be greeted with a chorus of likes:

I support Kavanaugh's removal because outright perjury is an inexcusable offense for a member of our highest court no matter how much of a circus the hearings became.

Easy was to look at any statement with a “but” or “however” is toss everything that was said in the sentence beforehand.
 

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Had I discovered what I should have known, that I fucked up another person's life because of my own drunken lusts, I would hope I'd have the courage to abandon success that might lay before me to atone at least in part for my sins. I would also want to say I am sorry.

How fucking hard can this be?

I swear I dont understand these people grinding for power...
Maybe its a catch 22, dont know.
 

brandonbull

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How many triple murders does a person have to be CONVICTED of before said person is considered "maybe not a good candidate" for the SC?
Asking for a friend.
The Clintons have had numerous and varied allegations against them for decades and Liberals chalk that up to the GOP performing political attacks. As soon as the first allegation against any non-Liberal person is made, that person has to be burnt at the stake. Any more talks about "not a good candidate" should stop.
 
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The Clintons have had numerous and varied allegations against them for decades and Liberals chalk that up to the GOP performing political attacks. As soon as the first allegation against any non-Liberal person is made, that person has to be burnt at the stake. Any more talks about "not a good candidate" should stop.
Fox / Hannity "chatter" inst "numerous and varied allegations" ... Show me the shitshow that was Kavanaugh confirmation with a liberal in the seat instead .. Id honestly like to see it.
The polarity you are up against here is Al Franken resigning for a comedy picture of him groping a woman while sleeping (that very likely WAS a GOP hitjob) .. non the less, you own your shit. In the same news you have Roy Moore, Steve King characters ad libitum on the conservative side ... And you demand that Franken needs to go. Screw your double standards.
Get some proof and/or good character witnesses and liberals will burn their own if they find a rotten egg. No problem.
 
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The Clintons have had numerous and varied allegations against them for decades and Liberals chalk that up to the GOP performing political attacks. As soon as the first allegation against any non-Liberal person is made, that person has to be burnt at the stake. Any more talks about "not a good candidate" should stop.
And the Clintons have had more investigations against them than every damn member of the GOP combined. Nothing has ever been found despite the GOP trying their fucking hardest.
 

Starbuck1975

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Welcome to the nomination process. It's not a court of law but a court of politics and public opinion. The nominee isn't entitled to the job.
Quite true, but we’re past the nomination process. This is sour grapes and political maneuvering. It seems that both Trump and some of the Democrat noninees relish the idea of SCOTUS seats being a focal point for 2020.