Did Judge Kavanaugh

[zinfamous]

The Clintons have had numerous and varied allegations against them for decades and Liberals chalk that up to the GOP performing political attacks. As soon as the first allegation against any non-Liberal person is made, that person has to be burnt at the stake. Any more talks about "not a good candidate" should stop.

Hey dingus, how about you allow Kavanaugh, Trump, and all the other criminal darlings of the new fascist GOP party to be submitted to a mere 1/10th the investigations that your gaslighting leaders have subjected the Clintons to over the years, then we can talk, no?

Not willing to play, are you?

 

[fskimospy]

Quite true, but we’re past the nomination process. This is sour grapes and political maneuvering. It seems that both Trump and some of the Democrat noninees relish the idea of SCOTUS seats being a focal point for 2020.

Just because he's in the job now doesn't mean we should forget that he never should have been confirmed in the first place.

 

[Atreus21]

Which victim? Are you somehow under the impression that there is only one victim?

lol.

Brett Kavanaugh Fit In With the Privileged Kids. She Did Not. (Published 2019)

Deborah Ramirez’s Yale experience says much about the college’s efforts to diversify its student body in the 1980s.

www.nytimes.com

NYT finally added in this slightly relevant fact:



I'm convinced that the 2020 election belongs to the party which least insists on making a complete ass of itself. Democrats could be completely silent and let Trump be himself, and they'd coast to victory. But they just can't help themselves.

 

[dank69]

lol.

Brett Kavanaugh Fit In With the Privileged Kids. She Did Not. (Published 2019)

Deborah Ramirez’s Yale experience says much about the college’s efforts to diversify its student body in the 1980s.

www.nytimes.com

NYT finally added in this slightly relevant fact:

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I'm convinced that the 2020 election belongs to the party which least insists on making a complete ass of itself. Democrats could be completely silent and let Trump be himself, and they'd coast to victory. But they just can't help themselves.

Since you seemed to have misunderstood my question, how does this negate the other victims' claims?

 

[Atreus21]

Since you seemed to have misunderstood my question, how does this negate the other victims' claims?

I'm referring to the subject of the OP. The female student into whom someone pushed Brett Kavanaugh's ding dong.

How strange that the sole source for this nonsense, Max Stier, refuses to elaborate or accept interviews. The alleged victim has no memory of the incident and declines interviews. And from evidence of this quality elected Democrats leap to calls for impeachment.

One might almost suspect bad faith and ulterior motives. This passes for news?

 

[UNCjigga]

Just because he's in the job now doesn't mean we should forget that he never should have been confirmed in the first place.

Still, something about this current round of press and outrage strikes me as “fabricated”. You’ll get no disagreement from me that Kavanaugh’s nomination should’ve been pulled when Republicans had the chance to replace him with another conservative without such a checkered history. Or, that his performance during his confirmation hearing should have lost him the votes. But he was confirmed.

To impugn a sitting SCOTUS judge is to impugn them all. Over what—a drunken teabagging incident during college that one girl in question doesn’t even remember? What’s the issue here—that Kavanaugh lied about it during his hearing?? If she didn't remember, why is he expected to remember? Are we going to impeach him too?

This whole thing is dumb. And now we're hearing that Democrats are going to focus on Trump, Mitch and Kavanaugh as the "faces of Republican evil" going into 2020. I'm sorry, is Kavanaugh up for re-election? This whole thing has a high probability of backfiring and rallying conservatives around Trump...again.

I think focusing on Trump and Mitch should be enough, as well as the possibility of losing RBG's seat. Kavanaugh might be a piece of shit, but we should focus on unseating the people that nominated and confirmed him in the first place.

 

[SlowSpyder]

More fake news...

 

[zinfamous]

lol.


I'm convinced that the 2020 election belongs to the party which least insists on making a complete ass of itself. Democrats could be completely silent and let Trump be himself, and they'd coast to victory. But they just can't help themselves.

the ever-loving fuck are you talking about? that was exactly the strategy in 2016, and it didn't work. Hell, everyone across the spectrum points to CNN and MSNBC airing all of Donnie's little sociopath Nuremburg rallies, hoping that just making him as public as possible, he would destroy himself. Ended up with billions in free advertising, and as it turns out, this country is actually full of tens of millions of sick fucks that actually liked what they saw.

Why are you changing your mind on what actually happened in 2016?

 

[fskimospy]

Still, something about this current round of press and outrage strikes me as “fabricated”. You’ll get no disagreement from me that Kavanaugh’s nomination should’ve been pulled when Republicans had the chance to replace him with another conservative without such a checkered history. Or, that his performance during his confirmation hearing should have lost him the votes. But he was confirmed.

To impugn a sitting SCOTUS judge is to impugn them all. Over what—a drunken teabagging incident during college that one girl in question doesn’t even remember? What’s the issue here—that Kavanaugh lied about it during his hearing?? If she didn't remember, why is he expected to remember? Are we going to impeach him too?

This whole thing is dumb. And now we're hearing that Democrats are going to focus on Trump, Mitch and Kavanaugh as the "faces of Republican evil" going into 2020. I'm sorry, is Kavanaugh up for re-election? This whole thing has a high probability of backfiring and rallying conservatives around Trump...again.

I think focusing on Trump and Mitch should be enough, as well as the possibility of losing RBG's seat. Kavanaugh might be a piece of shit, but we should focus on unseating the people that nominated and confirmed him in the first place.

The issue is that Kavanaugh pretty clearly lied multiple times while under oath at his confirmation hearing. I think people who perjure themselves during their hearings should not be confirmed. I also think that those who perjure themselves should be impeached and removed later if the senators who did confirm him were not ethical enough to put country before party.

 

[fskimospy]

the ever-loving fuck are you talking about? that was exactly the strategy in 2016, and it didn't work. Hell, everyone across the spectrum points to CNN and MSNBC airing all of Donnie's little sociopath Nuremburg rallies, hoping that just making him as public as possible, he would destroy himself. Ended up with billions in free advertising, and as it turns out, this country is actually full of tens of millions of sick fucks that actually liked what they saw.

Why are you changing your mind on what actually happened in 2016?

It's always funny to watch right wing people say that they secretly really want to vote for Democrats but the Democrats are always too mean or terrible in some random way that prevents them from doing so.

I wish you guys would just admit you voted for Trump because you wanted to. Yes it's shameful but just own your shame!

 

[Atreus21]

It's always funny to watch right wing people say that they secretly really want to vote for Democrats but the Democrats are always too mean or terrible in some random way that prevents them from doing so.

I wish you guys would just admit you voted for Trump because you wanted to. Yes it's shameful but just own your shame!

I'll be voting for John Bel Edwards next go-round. He had the balls to put his money where his mouth was regarding abortion.

EDIT: Wait, crap, I can't, because I'm moving out of Louisiana before the election. Well, I would've.

 

[dank69]

I'm referring to the subject of the OP. The female student into whom someone pushed Brett Kavanaugh's ding dong.

How strange that the sole source for this nonsense, Max Stier, refuses to elaborate or accept interviews. The alleged victim has no memory of the incident and declines interviews. And from evidence of this quality elected Democrats leap to calls for impeachment.

One might almost suspect bad faith and ulterior motives. This passes for news?

Maybe you just don't know how to read, or more likely, continue to allow conservative media to do your reading and summarizing for you no matter how many times they lie to you. I am betting on the latter. I mean, if you just actually read the link you posted you see this:

We also uncovered a previously unreported story about Mr. Kavanaugh in his freshman year that echoes Ms. Ramirez’s allegation. A classmate, Max Stier, saw Mr. Kavanaugh with his pants down at a different drunken dorm party, where friends pushed his penis into the hand of a female student. Mr. Stier, who runs a nonprofit organization in Washington, notified senators and the F.B.I. about this account, but the F.B.I. did not investigate and Mr. Stier has declined to discuss it publicly. We corroborated the story with two officials who have communicated with Mr. Stier; the female student declined to be interviewed and friends say she does not recall the episode.

See? Stier hasn't declined interviews. He has sought out interviews with the FBI and other officials. He just does not want to do any public interviews, which I think is understandable given how people like you treated Ford after publicly saying damaging things against the people you worship.

Additionally, you quoted my post asking what a specific victim said, and my replies to you indicated that there is more than one victim, and many witnesses, so what one victim says or doesn't remember really is not all that relevant in the big picture. Yet you want to focus on the one angle where you can pretend you found a gotcha. That's because you are a dishonest piece of shit who likes to fancy himself a moral religious type. Funny how differently religious people see themselves compared to how they actually are.

 

[K1052]

Quite true, but we’re past the nomination process. This is sour grapes and political maneuvering. It seems that both Trump and some of the Democrat noninees relish the idea of SCOTUS seats being a focal point for 2020.

What do you mean "seems"? Judgeships are an explicit (and arguably chief) part of the GOP electoral sales pitch. It's not even remotely subtle since they're spelling it out directly all the time.

SCOTUS is faced with the very real potential that there will be a number of broadly unpopular 5-4 decisions coming down this term before the election. Given that the conservative majority on the court was secured through cheating and lies via a president that didn't win the popular vote and a senate that represents a minority of the country the legitimacy of the court is likely about to be tested in ways not conceived of in generations. The real question is how far does Roberts want to go in pursuit of conservative ideology versus protecting the integrity of his institution and place in history. This, in large part, remains to be seen.

 

[Homerboy]

And the Clintons have had more investigations against them than every damn member of the GOP combined. Nothing has ever been found despite the GOP trying their fucking hardest.

It's like they kick and scream and shout saying "The Clintons/democrats need to be investigated!" Not realizing they have been... A LOT. And nothing (or very little) ever found. They they yell "The Clintons/democrats need to be investigated!" again and we're in a full circle.

Meanwhile GOPers get investigated and a shit ton is found and they cry 'Witch hunt!"

It's FUCKING.INSANITY

 

[Moonbeam]

Quite true, but we’re past the nomination process. This is sour grapes and political maneuvering. It seems that both Trump and some of the Democrat noninees relish the idea of SCOTUS seats being a focal point for 2020.

The Republican Party politicized the SCOTUS. They destroy everything they touch. They will kick and scream like spoiled children as the Democrats repair the damage. The price will be extinction. Like every other disease that spreads like wildfire, the patient either dies or mounts an immune response. Puss screams to be lanced.

 

[Atreus21]

Maybe you just don't know how to read, or more likely, continue to allow conservative media to do your reading and summarizing for you no matter how many times they lie to you. I am betting on the latter.

...sometimes i think I'm living on the moon. The NYT literally just admitted it left out a crucial element of this story, the initial reporting of which sent Democrats into fever-dreams, and I'm the one allowing partisan sources to affect my judgment?

I mean, if you just actually read the link you posted you see this:

See? Stier hasn't declined interviews. He has sought out interviews with the FBI and other officials. He just does not want to do any public interviews, which I think is understandable given how people like you treated Ford after publicly saying damaging things against the people you worship.

It's almost as if making public, inflammatory, politically-charged, decades-old allegations completely free of corroboration and evidence obliges one to elaborate a bit to the public.

Additionally, you quoted my post asking what a specific victim said, and my replies to you indicated that there is more than one victim, and many witnesses, so what one victim says or doesn't remember really is not all that relevant in the big picture.

I see. So the actual victim of the act alleged in this OP isn't relevant to you. That's the only person I was referring to since, you know, that's the topic of this thread.

Yet you want to focus on the one angle where you can pretend you found a gotcha.

Pretend? Did you read the Times' edit?

That's because you are a dishonest piece of shit who likes to fancy himself a moral religious type. Funny how differently religious people see themselves compared to how they actually are.

Yes. YES. Evil EVIL moral religious type.

 

[dank69]

...sometimes i think I'm living on the moon. The NYT literally just admitted it left out a crucial element of this story, the initial reporting of which sent Democrats into fever-dreams, and I'm the one allowing partisan sources to affect my judgment?



It's almost as if making public, inflammatory, politically-charged, decades-old allegations completely free of corroboration and evidence obliges one to elaborate a bit to the public.



I see. So the actual victim of the act alleged in this OP isn't relevant to you. That's the only person I was referring to since, you know, that's the topic of this thread.



Pretend? Did you read the Times' edit?



Yes. YES. Evil EVIL moral religious type.

Yes. Pretend. You are pretending it is relevant or crucial. The victim remembering the incident is not crucial or relevant. Stier says he saw the incident. The victim may have been blackout drunk for all we know. The fact that she does not remember it and/or does not want to talk about it does not prove that Stier didn't see what he says he saw. Not only does he say he saw it, but he is willing to testify under oath to the FBI that he saw it.

Regarding your shit claim that making claims against public figures obliges someone to elaborate to the public, fuck you, you're an idiot. If Bill Clinton raped some kid, you think that kid must go on TV in order to put Clinton in jail for it? Why? Explain your reasoning.

 

[Jaskalas]

This is exactly the nightmare scenario we guys have been warning about, right? You're at a party with your pants around your ankles, you and your exposed penis innocently minding your own business, And some guys pushed his penis into some lady’s face and then out of the blue you get accused of improper behavior..

Her hand. Not face.

This is what I talked about regarding the media conflating this !@#$ and confusing people. The face allegation existed last year during the confirmation. P&N talked about it. Where as today's BREAKING NEWS is very similar, but involves a... hand. Very important news here people. Very important.

 

[Atreus21]

Yes. Pretend. You are pretending it is relevant or crucial. The victim remembering the incident is not crucial or relevant. Stier says he saw the incident. The victim may have been blackout drunk for all we know. The fact that she does not remember it and/or does not want to talk about it does not prove that Stier didn't see what he says he saw. Not only does he say he saw it, but he is willing to testify under oath to the FBI that he saw it.

His story was already considered by Senate Democrats, no one corroborates it, and the alleged victim has no memory of it.

Sounds like a rock-solid starting point for another progressive inquisition.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes. Pretend. You are pretending it is relevant or crucial. The victim remembering the incident is not crucial or relevant. Stier says he saw the incident. The victim may have been blackout drunk for all we know. The fact that she does not remember it and/or does not want to talk about it does not prove that Stier didn't see what he says he saw. Not only does he say he saw it, but he is willing to testify under oath to the FBI that he saw it.

There are also seven other people who say they heard of the incident contemporaneously. The sheer magnitude of the conspiracy to smear Kavanaugh, spanning dozens of people across decades and across multiple geographic areas is really something to behold.

Of course it’s also possible that Kavanaugh was too wasted to remember or that he’s lying out of incredibly obvious self interest.

Like with Trump though I’m sure the answer is that everyone else is lying.

 

[fskimospy]

His story was already considered by Senate Democrats, no one corroborates it, and the alleged victim has no memory of it.

Sounds like a rock-solid starting point for another progressive inquisition.

This is false. There are at least seven other people who recall hearing of the incident at the time it happened.

So not only do we have corroboration, we have large amounts of it!

 

[Moonbeam]

How fucking hard can this be?

I swear I dont understand these people grinding for power...
Maybe its a catch 22, dont know.

You can make a fine looking blade for ceremonial purposes out of low grade steel, but the sword that passes the test of battle has had its impurities beaten out of it by the forge and the hammer. The problem those of privilege face is that they coasted through life never seeing much of either. They may be technically trained but ethically and morally skin deep. We saw that shallow lack of personal dignity and maturity when he made a spectacle of himself blubbered on about liking beer and the suffering his victimization was causing him. He had but a single moral position to take and that was to decline the nomination of another judge that had been robbed of it. For that alone he will always be tainted. He does, however, have a path or two to redemption.

 

[Jhhnn]

His story was already considered by Senate Democrats, no one corroborates it, and the alleged victim has no memory of it.

Sounds like a rock-solid starting point for another progressive inquisition.

That's jumping to conclusions bullshit. She declined to speak about it & "friends" say she has no memory of it. It's right there in your own link.

If she actually said she had no memory of it, on the record, I'd tend to believe her. Don't pretend that she has.

 

[ElFenix]

i don't remember puking in the parking lot that one time and i swear i didn't do it but everyone else says i did. they're clearly just trying to smear me.

 

[IronWing]

If Kavanaugh had kept his hands and other parts in his pockets his entire college career, he'd still be unfit for the court and should be impeached.