Did Atari not learn anything from EA and 3 activation limits?!

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: chizow
You seem to be stuck on my claim that Riddick's DRM doesn't prohibit a user's ability to resell the game. It does not, as you can resell the game if there are active installations remaining.

The currently implemented DRM may limit features and expectations, but it clearly does not prohibit resale explicitly.

[/quote]

There you have it folks, convincing evidence, expect to see Dark Athena in the second-hand games section at a department store near you. Presumably the price will vary according to the number of activations remaining?

Originally posted by: chizow
I know English isn't your first language, but seriously, all you're doing here is showing how dishonestly you argue.

No, I was showing your inability to refrain from showing yourself to be an ass.

English actually does happen to be my first language, I'm Irish, hence the moniker, but I am already accustomed to your tendency to jump to hasty conclusions based on limited information (i.e. the country in which I work), so no offence taken. Moreover, we will ignore any possible underlying racism evident in this assumption, for your convenience (i.e. where English isn't your first language, this somehow detracts from your argument). I'm starting to feel like Indiana Jones, must be all this whipping.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: chizow
It [the DRM] doesn't prohibit our ability to resell the game

No, but it forces you to place your trust in the seller (you know, it has "so many" activations left). Aren't you the one who keeps talking about pirates and pirates who were forced to buy? You can't have it both ways chizow, either you trust people or you don't.

Given that you have consistently maintained the postion that people are not to be trusted (all those accusations of "pirate", etc), you must now admit that the possibilties of second-hand sale are limited to the point of effectively being non-existent.

Thank you for taking on the function of acting as an "intellectual whipping boy" in Atari's stead, thereby subjecting yourself to the observations of the serious posters on this thread, like your work as a DRM beta-tester, it is also (presumably) unpaid, and you are to be commended.

You are the only one answering him. What other serious posters?
:roll:

You keep talking about being limited as to RESELLIING AAoDA ,, you cannot resell ANY Steam games and very likely you NEVER will be able to. At least we KNOW that Atari will UP the limit and eventually remove it entirely ... something Steam will never do

And i am about to play EfBB/AAoDA again ..


. . . to see how my GTX280 performs, of course
:Q

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: chizow
It [the DRM] doesn't prohibit our ability to resell the game

No, but it forces you to place your trust in the seller (you know, it has "so many" activations left). Aren't you the one who keeps talking about pirates and pirates who were forced to buy? You can't have it both ways chizow, either you trust people or you don't.

Given that you have consistently maintained the postion that people are not to be trusted (all those accusations of "pirate", etc), you must now admit that the possibilties of second-hand sale are limited to the point of effectively being non-existent.

Thank you for taking on the function of acting as an "intellectual whipping boy" in Atari's stead, thereby subjecting yourself to the observations of the serious posters on this thread, like your work as a DRM beta-tester, it is also (presumably) unpaid, and you are to be commended.

You are the only one answering him. What other serious posters?
:roll:

You keep talking about RESELLIING AAoDA ,, you cannot resell ANY Steam games and very likely you NEVER will be able to. At least we KNOW that Atari will UP the limit and eventually remove it entirely ... something Steam will never do

And i am about to play it again ..


. . . to see how my GTX280 performs of course

Thanks for that, chizow surely needed a friendly face on these forums. Great post, we might summarise each point as follows:

chizow is my friend

Steam is just as bad

I play, don't care about DRM and don't care about the concerns of others


Thanks that cleared up a lot of things. You are obviously a serious poster.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: Red Irish
There you have it folks, convincing evidence, expect to see Dark Athena in the second-hand games section at a department store near you. Presumably the price will vary according to the number of activations remaining?

Second-hand games section of a department store? They barely make room for new PC games nowadays. A "Second-hand games section" assumes there's actually a viable market making it worthwhile, yet they don't even take them at Gamestop, wonder why?

Its obvious at this point you continue trying to deceive with your attempts at claiming its only my "word" as assurance. But no, the only convincing evidence needed was provided directly from the publisher, Atari:

• Atari Employee on their Official Forums
  
  I want to make it clear that there are people who are monitoring activations so if and when we get into an issue with people not being able to play that issue will be addressed. Should the case get so severe it effects a large portion of the gamers, more activations will be set in place as needed. Further down the line the DRM will be removed and a new unprotected exe will be released.
  
  So to summarize if you buy Riddick legally on the PC we are going to do our best to make sure you can play it for as long as you want. I hope this helps answer some of your questions / concerns.

and from Riddick's EULA:

• PERMITTED USES
  
  .....You may permanently transfer all your rights under this EULA, provided you retain no copies, you transfer all of the Software (including all component parts, the media and printed materials and any upgrades) and the recipient reads and accepts this EULA.

Originally posted by: Red Irish
No, I was showing your inability to refrain from showing yourself to be an ass.

English actually does happen to be my first language, I'm Irish, hence the moniker, but I am already accustomed to your tendency to jump to hasty conclusions based on limited information (i.e. the country in which I work), so no offence taken. I'm starting to feel like Indiana Jones, must be all this whipping.

LMAO, actually I was going off information you provided, you know that whole bit about being in Spain, enjoying long rides on the beach on your moped, translating, but clearly not understanding the content of various legal documents and contracts etc.

As for your forum handle being evidence or some key indicator lol. Let's just say I'm quite sure there's plenty of forum handles that do not reflect any factual reality about the person who chose that handle. I just figured you were an Irish Red beer loving Spaniard! :beer::laugh:

The fact you are a native English speaker does provide less excuse for your blatant attempt to misconstrue the very clear meaning of what I wrote though, but at this point it should come as no surprise given you've repeatedly demonstrated tendencies to lie and spread misinformation.

As for Indiana Jones....how? Sean Connery played his father in Last Crusade and he's Scottish, not Irish. WTF??? But you said you were Indiana Jones, i'm sooo confuzzled LMAO. HOW???? Hahaha. I'm sure you'll post some other nonsense given you certainly won't be playing Riddick. Lookin forward for the next chance to crack the whip...er reply to your nonsense.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: chizow
It [the DRM] doesn't prohibit our ability to resell the game

No, but it forces you to place your trust in the seller (you know, it has "so many" activations left). Aren't you the one who keeps talking about pirates and pirates who were forced to buy? You can't have it both ways chizow, either you trust people or you don't.

Given that you have consistently maintained the postion that people are not to be trusted (all those accusations of "pirate", etc), you must now admit that the possibilties of second-hand sale are limited to the point of effectively being non-existent.

Thank you for taking on the function of acting as an "intellectual whipping boy" in Atari's stead, thereby subjecting yourself to the observations of the serious posters on this thread, like your work as a DRM beta-tester, it is also (presumably) unpaid, and you are to be commended.

You are the only one answering him. What other serious posters?
:roll:

You keep talking about RESELLIING AAoDA ,, you cannot resell ANY Steam games and very likely you NEVER will be able to. At least we KNOW that Atari will UP the limit and eventually remove it entirely ... something Steam will never do

And i am about to play it again ..


. . . to see how my GTX280 performs of course

Thanks for that, chizow surely needed a friendly face on these forums. Great post, we might summarise each point as follows:

chizow is my friend

Steam is just as bad

I play, don't care about DRM and don't care about the concerns of others


Thanks that cleared up a lot of things. You are obviously a serious poster.

You're welcome and you need a jolt back to reality - clearly there is no one who cares to support your silly and eXtreme PoV - as somehow you "speak" for consumers
- you do not; you do not speak for any majority on this tech site even; i am not supporting any "friends" here - that is evident from my thousands of posts - i speak for myself.

Clearly you ONLY care for your own agenda concerning ONE game that you are SINGLING OUT from hundreds of similarly protected games
- the ONE difference is that THIS game cannot be cracked [yet] and you are passing on the pirates' message and and actually doing their devious work for them, wittingly or unwittingly - you are not reasonable at all but carry on, page after page with ONE poster.

Is this a serious enough post for you ?

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: chizow
The fact you are a native English speaker does provide less excuse for your blatant attempt to misconstrue the very clear meaning of what I wrote though, but at this point it should come as no surprise given you've repeatedly demonstrated tendencies to lie and spread misinformation.

chizow, you are moving into very dangerous waters, but I don't mind repeating myself:


English actually does happen to be my first language, I'm Irish, hence the moniker, but I am already accustomed to your tendency to jump to hasty conclusions based on limited information (i.e. the country in which I work), so no offence taken. Moreover, we will ignore any possible underlying racism evident in this assumption, for your convenience (i.e. where English isn't your first language, this somehow detracts from your argument or ability to understand)

I strongly advise you to leave all questions of language out of your arguments. Even an ass like you must see that you are doing yourself absolutely no favours.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: Red Irish
The fact you are a native English speaker does provide less excuse for your blatant attempt to misconstrue the very clear meaning of what I wrote though, but at this point it should come as no surprise given you've repeatedly demonstrated tendencies to lie and spread misinformation.

chizow, you are moving into very dangerous waters, but I don't mind repeating myself:


English actually does happen to be my first language, I'm Irish, hence the moniker, but I am already accustomed to your tendency to jump to hasty conclusions based on limited information (i.e. the country in which I work), so no offence taken. Moreover, we will ignore any possible underlying racism evident in this assumption, for your convenience (i.e. where English isn't your first language, this somehow detracts from your argument or ability to understand).

I strongly advise you to leave all questions of language out of your arguments. Even an ass like you must see that you are doing yourself absolutely no favours.

i don't mind repeating myself either in pointing out that that is quite an agenda you are carrying on - page after page - *rudely* debating with a single poster and all the while claiming you represent anyone but yourself
:roll:

i learned my writing skills in Dublin and i worked first for the Evening Press as a chess columnist

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: apoppin

i don't mind repeating myself either in pointing out that that is quite an agenda you are carrying on - page after page - debating with a single poster and all the while claiming you represent anyone but yourself
:roll:

Do you condone what was said with regards to language and its implications? No forget that, I'll keep it simpler for you:

Your post is nothing more than conjecture in the form of a veiled accusation. There is now no longer any mention of Dark Athena or its DRM. Grow up and wise up and stop wasting your time and ours.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: apoppin

i don't mind repeating myself either in pointing out that that is quite an agenda you are carrying on - page after page - debating with a single poster and all the while claiming you represent anyone but yourself
:roll:

Do you condone what was said with regards to language and its implications? No forget that, I'll keep it simpler for you:

Your post is nothing more than conjecture in the form of a veiled accusation. There is now no longer any mention of Dark Athena or its DRM. Grow up and wise up and stop wasting your time and ours.

[/quote]

why don't you take your own advice ?

There is nothing 'veiled' in what i say .. i call it like i see it; you are giving a PoV that i read on other sites
- it is extreme to the max and it SINGLES OUT Dark Athena from OTHER similarly protected games

i have no comment on writing skills; i learned my own writing skills in Dublin and i worked first for the Evening Press as a chess columnist

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: Red Irish
chizow, you are moving into very dangerous waters, but I don't mind repeating myself:


English actually does happen to be my first language, I'm Irish, hence the moniker, but I am already accustomed to your tendency to jump to hasty conclusions based on limited information (i.e. the country in which I work), so no offence taken. Moreover, we will ignore any possible underlying racism evident in this assumption, for your convenience (i.e. where English isn't your first language, this somehow detracts from your argument or ability to understand)

I strongly advise you to leave all questions of language out of your arguments. Even an ass like you must see that you are doing yourself absolutely no favours.

Huh? There is no racism indicated whatsoever and nothing I said would indicate otherwise. If you were not a native English speaker, as I had originally concluded based on information you provided, it would be understandable that you might've genuinely misunderstood the meaning of the words I had used, such as limit vs. prohibit.

The fact you are a native English speaker removes that possibility for a genuine mistake or misunderstanding, meaning you were once again arguing dishonestly in an attempt to catch me in a contradiction I did not make.

So again, considering a pedantic and flawed focus on "language" is clearly the centerpiece of your dishonest arguments, I'd say any scrutiny on your manipulative use of language is warranted.

 

[Red Irish]

apoppin, I haven't singled out Dark Athena, but as this thread makes reference to that title I was under the false assumption that you wanted to discuss the DRM on that game, rather than, well, I'm not sure how we could define the intent of your posts. Unfounded accusations?


Now that you have called me a pirate or whatever else I'm supposed to be, we can get back to discussing the DRM on Dark Athena and you can continue on your way.

The fact that you quoted and subsequently failed to condemn assumptions with racist implications has been noted, by me at least.

Incidentally, fix the quotes within your posts, they are a mess (partially my fault).

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: Red Irish
chizow, you are moving into very dangerous waters, but I don't mind repeating myself:


English actually does happen to be my first language, I'm Irish, hence the moniker, but I am already accustomed to your tendency to jump to hasty conclusions based on limited information (i.e. the country in which I work), so no offence taken. Moreover, we will ignore any possible underlying racism evident in this assumption, for your convenience (i.e. where English isn't your first language, this somehow detracts from your argument or ability to understand)

I strongly advise you to leave all questions of language out of your arguments. Even an ass like you must see that you are doing yourself absolutely no favours.

Huh? There is no racism indicated whatsoever and nothing I said would indicate otherwise. If you were not a native English speaker, as I had originally concluded based on information you provided, it would be understandable that you might've genuinely misunderstood the meaning of the words I had used, such as limit vs. prohibit.

The fact you are a native English speaker removes that possibility for a genuine mistake or misunderstanding, meaning you were once again arguing dishonestly in an attempt to catch me in a contradiction I did not make.

So again, considering a pedantic and flawed focus on "language" is clearly the centerpiece of your dishonest arguments, I'd say any scrutiny on your manipulative use of language is warranted.

If you fail to recognise what is wrong with what you have said, or refuse to acknowledge the implications of what you have said, you are quite literally beyond all hope.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: Red Irish
There you have it folks, convincing evidence, expect to see Dark Athena in the second-hand games section at a department store near you. Presumably the price will vary according to the number of activations remaining?

Second-hand games section of a department store? They barely make room for new PC games nowadays. A "Second-hand games section" assumes there's actually a viable market making it worthwhile, yet they don't even take them at Gamestop, wonder why?

Why, indeed: the Jews, the Chinese, Muslims, all the DRM?

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: Red Irish
chizow, you are moving into very dangerous waters, but I don't mind repeating myself:


English actually does happen to be my first language, I'm Irish, hence the moniker, but I am already accustomed to your tendency to jump to hasty conclusions based on limited information (i.e. the country in which I work), so no offence taken. Moreover, we will ignore any possible underlying racism evident in this assumption, for your convenience (i.e. where English isn't your first language, this somehow detracts from your argument or ability to understand)

I strongly advise you to leave all questions of language out of your arguments. Even an ass like you must see that you are doing yourself absolutely no favours.

Huh? There is no racism indicated whatsoever and nothing I said would indicate otherwise. If you were not a native English speaker, as I had originally concluded based on information you provided, it would be understandable that you might've genuinely misunderstood the meaning of the words I had used, such as limit vs. prohibit.

The fact you are a native English speaker removes that possibility for a genuine mistake or misunderstanding, meaning you were once again arguing dishonestly in an attempt to catch me in a contradiction I did not make.

So again, considering a pedantic and flawed focus on "language" is clearly the centerpiece of your dishonest arguments, I'd say any scrutiny on your manipulative use of language is warranted.

If you fail to recognise what is wrong with what you have said, or refuse to acknowledge the implications of what you have said, you are quite literally beyond all hope.

There is nothing racist about what I've written here in this thread (or on these forums, ever), if you feel otherwise I recommend you lodge a complaint in Personal Forum Issues and alert a moderator for review.

If anything they'll just see how dishonestly you argue with your attempts to omit, selectively quote and attach meanings to words and phrases in a manipulative manner that can only be interpreted as an attempt to deceive and misconstrue.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Red Irish
apoppin, I haven't singled out Dark Athena, but as this thread makes reference to that title I was under the false assumption that you wanted to discuss the DRM on that game, rather than, well, I'm not sure how we could define the intent of your posts. Unfounded accusations?


Now that you have called me a pirate or whatever else I'm supposed to be and we can get back to discussing the DRM on Dark Athena and you can continue on your way.

The fact that you quoted and subsequently failed to condemn assumptions with racist implications has been noted, by me at least.

Incidentally, fix the quotes within your threads, they are a mess (partially my fault).

you told me to "forget it" .. so i did
- clearly you did not say what you really meant and then blamed me for not responding to what you told me NOT to
:thumbsdown:

Very clearly you have singled out Dark Athena
---this thread is all about ATARI and the Three activation limits
. . . look at its title
:roll:


There is nothing about your posts that is "discussion" .. you are intent on BEATING UP on Atari - or anyone who does not agree with your extreme PoV - over doing EXACTLY the SAME thing that UBi does, for example ... and AAoD's DRM is less than restrictive than Steam's is.

Yet you ignore ALL MY points in favor of your agenda - a campaign against Atari's AAoD

i am discussing this DRM as it is implemented in AAoD; maybe you should take your own advice to be on your own way

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Red Irish
apoppin, I haven't singled out Dark Athena, but as this thread makes reference to that title I was under the false assumption that you wanted to discuss the DRM on that game, rather than, well, I'm not sure how we could define the intent of your posts. Unfounded accusations?


Now that you have called me a pirate or whatever else I'm supposed to be and we can get back to discussing the DRM on Dark Athena and you can continue on your way.

The fact that you quoted and subsequently failed to condemn assumptions with racist implications has been noted, by me at least.

Incidentally, fix the quotes within your threads, they are a mess (partially my fault).

you told me to "forget it" .. so i did
- clearly you did not say what you really mean and then blame me
"thumbsdown;

clearly you have singled out dark athena

this thread is all about ATARI and the Three activation limits
:roll:


there is nothing about your posts that is "discussion" .. you are intent on BEATING UP on Atari
- over doing EXACTLY the SAMAE thing that UBi does, for example ... and less than restrictive than Steam


but you ignore ALL THESE points in favor of your agenda - a campaign against Atari's AAoD

i am discussing this DRM .. maybe you should take your own advice to be on your own way

Have you seen the title of the thread? I discuss other forms of DRM elsewhere. Tell chizow he can come out now, I won't report him to the moderators.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Red Irish
apoppin, I haven't singled out Dark Athena, but as this thread makes reference to that title I was under the false assumption that you wanted to discuss the DRM on that game, rather than, well, I'm not sure how we could define the intent of your posts. Unfounded accusations?


Now that you have called me a pirate or whatever else I'm supposed to be and we can get back to discussing the DRM on Dark Athena and you can continue on your way.

The fact that you quoted and subsequently failed to condemn assumptions with racist implications has been noted, by me at least.

Incidentally, fix the quotes within your threads, they are a mess (partially my fault).

you told me to "forget it" .. so i did
- clearly you did not say what you really mean and then blame me
"thumbsdown;

clearly you have singled out dark athena

this thread is all about ATARI and the Three activation limits
:roll:


there is nothing about your posts that is "discussion" .. you are intent on BEATING UP on Atari
- over doing EXACTLY the SAMAE thing that UBi does, for example ... and less than restrictive than Steam


but you ignore ALL THESE points in favor of your agenda - a campaign against Atari's AAoD

i am discussing this DRM .. maybe you should take your own advice to be on your own way

Have you seen the title of the thread? I discuss other forms of DRM elsewhere. Tell chizow he can come out now, I won't report him to the moderators.

Yes, i just pointed out the topic's title out to you

i have stayed on topic all through this thread and pointed out my observations for all to see

You are making false assumptions, as usual; Tell chizow yourself

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: Red Irish
Have you seen the title of the thread? I discuss other forms of DRM elsewhere. Tell chizow he can come out now, I won't report him to the moderators.

Rofl, actually I was hoping you would instead of continuing in your attemps to derail the thread. In any case, I think someone needs a nap, off to finish EfBB for me!

 

[mindcycle]

Originally posted by: Red Irish
So, in sense, or rather in nonsense, you are now arguing that the DRM on Dark Athena does not represent an impediment to resale?

Originally posted by: chizow
As it is right now, the DRM may limit various other features or expectations, like resale or number of machine installs...

Originally posted by: chizow
It [the DRM] doesn't prohibit our ability to resell the game

There are approximately two or three posts between each of your statements above. Which is it this time? Another whipping?

lol. What's the contradiction count up to now? I think it's 3 in this thread alone.

 

[mindcycle]

For those of you still reading this thread, or maybe skimming through it for some laughs like me, check out the following article as it's a pretty good read: The Impossible DRM

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: mindcycle

Originally posted by: Red Irish
So, in sense, or rather in nonsense, you are now arguing that the DRM on Dark Athena does not represent an impediment to resale?

Originally posted by: chizow
As it is right now, the DRM may limit various other features or expectations, like resale or number of machine installs...

Originally posted by: chizow
It [the DRM] doesn't prohibit our ability to resell the game

There are approximately two or three posts between each of your statements above. Which is it this time? Another whipping?

lol. What's the contradiction count up to now? I think it's 3 in this thread alone.

Its obvious neither of you understand the meaning of the word contradiction, but thanks again for illustrating just how dishonestly you argue. Its not in plain text right there, or anything, prohibit is not synonymous with limit.

 

[mindcycle]

Just read this on the TAGES website. Looks like everyone waiting on a revoke tool are out of luck.

Revokation

T@GES does not -and will not- provide this service. Please find below the reasons that forbid us to do this:

* The basis of the revokation is to hide some information on the end-user PC in order for him to be unable to copy it. Whilst revoking, this information is modified (i.e. deleted) then the activation count is decreased. This behavior is unethical and is clearly against our company policy: every Copy Protection?s companies who has implemented it had to use rootkit? technics and this is not acceptable from our point of view, for end-users, publishers, and courts.

* Revokation is useless when the hidden information can be saved by very simple and common means, like a restoration point or a ghost.

http://www.tagesprotection.com/main.htm (It's under the Activation section)

 

[apoppin]

the REST of it was *really* interesting

The following points may also be taken into consideration and illustrate the reasons that render revokation obsolete and explain why it is not needed:

* 10 to 20% of end-users activate their software more than once, and for the very few who reach the limit, the publisher's hotline can very easily increment the activation count.
* A time based incremental activation count can be used to re-credit the SN without requiring the end-user to bother about his activation count.
* In many cases, when the commercial lifetime of the product is ended, a patch that is not protected is released.


Completely removing T@GES from your system

This process is very easy to perform:

* Activation

All information were stored at the application data repository, as defined by Microsoft and compatible with the "Game for Windows" requirements: the CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA\Tages directory.

CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA is a generic name and stand for:
o Prior Vista: XX:\All Users\Application Data
o Vista and upper: XX:\ProgramData

Where XX is the drive letter where Windows is installed (on most PCs, the letter is 'C')

The CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA directory may be hidden by default. Once you have located the CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA\Tages directory, removing it completely removes ALL T@GES activations from your system.
* Drivers:

Please download our installer/un-installer at Drivers and run it.

if you would like to ascertain that everything IS removed, our two "level 3" drivers - atksgt.sys and lirsgt.sys- are located in the system32\DRIVERS directory. After un-installation, all registry keys that were created during the installation using the standart Windows' APIs will be removed, as well as the two files (atksgt.sys and lirsgt.sys).

is it clear now

they INCREASE the limit when they want to and address each customer BEFORE that

FINALLY they put our a patch that takes out the copy protection altogether

clear now?
- that is what Atari said - not what you say - thanks for the evidence we need!!

 

[NoWhereM]

Originally posted by: mindcycle
Just read this on the TAGES website. Looks like everyone waiting on a revoke tool are out of luck.

Revokation

T@GES does not -and will not- provide this service. Please find below the reasons that forbid us to do this:

* The basis of the revokation is to hide some information on the end-user PC in order for him to be unable to copy it. Whilst revoking, this information is modified (i.e. deleted) then the activation count is decreased. This behavior is unethical and is clearly against our company policy: every Copy Protection?s companies who has implemented it had to use rootkit? technics and this is not acceptable from our point of view, for end-users, publishers, and courts.

* Revokation is useless when the hidden information can be saved by very simple and common means, like a restoration point or a ghost.

http://www.tagesprotection.com/main.htm (It's under the Activation section)

It's simply amazing. The longer this thread is drawn out by installation limit apoligists the more we know and the worse SecuRom and T@ges look. So now the TAGES website has confirmed that SecuRom does install a rootkit when their DRM contains an installation limit.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: NoWhereM

Originally posted by: mindcycle
Just read this on the TAGES website. Looks like everyone waiting on a revoke tool are out of luck.

It's simply amazing. The longer this thread is drawn out by installation limit apoligists the more we know and the worse SecuRom and T@ges look. So now the TAGES website has confirmed that SecuRom does install a rootkit when their DRM contains an installation limit.

The following points may also be taken into consideration and illustrate the reasons that render revokation obsolete and explain why it is not needed:

* 10 to 20% of end-users activate their software more than once, and for the very few who reach the limit, the publisher's hotline can very easily increment the activation count.
* A time based incremental activation count can be used to re-credit the SN without requiring the end-user to bother about his activation count.
* In many cases, when the commercial lifetime of the product is ended, a patch that is not protected is released.


Completely removing T@GES from your system

This process is very easy to perform:

* Activation

All information were stored at the application data repository, as defined by Microsoft and compatible with the "Game for Windows" requirements: the CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA\Tages directory.

CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA is a generic name and stand for:
o Prior Vista: XX:\All Users\Application Data
o Vista and upper: XX:\ProgramData

Where XX is the drive letter where Windows is installed (on most PCs, the letter is 'C')

The CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA directory may be hidden by default. Once you have located the CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA\Tages directory, removing it completely removes ALL T@GES activations from your system.
* Drivers:

Please download our installer/un-installer at Drivers and run it.

if you would like to ascertain that everything IS removed, our two "level 3" drivers - atksgt.sys and lirsgt.sys- are located in the system32\DRIVERS directory. After un-installation, all registry keys that were created during the installation using the standart Windows' APIs will be removed, as well as the two files (atksgt.sys and lirsgt.sys).

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