Did Anyone Catch Bernie Sanders on Joe Rogan?

[Mai72]

I was never a big fan of Bernie, but after I watched the full video I may have to reconsider my decision. Much of what he said made sense. The student loan crisis. The 0000.1% who own much of America today. The issues with Big Pharma. Our stupid weed laws. The dismantling of the middle class. Global warming. Check out the video if you haven't already. The one Joe did with Andrew Yang is also pretty cool.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

That's Bernie though. Sometimes what he says makes sense. Other times what he says is batshit crazy and unfeasible in the real world.

 

[Fenixgoon]

It's almost like progressive democrats have real ideas on real issues that affect America and every day Americans.

Edit: not a Bernie bro, but definitely on board with the progressive democrat ideas in general. And no TANSTAAFL - shit gets paid for with taxes.

 

[Moonbeam]

Remember that billions are being spent to have anybody but the candidates themselves tell you what they stand for. Almost all of what we believe about politics and much else was told to us by fans or proponents of the candidates. Then there is the matter of what the candidates think being objective itself. Everybody has an objective opinion or so they think. If you actually know you might not know what you think you know, there is a chance one may actually be able to be open to learning. Of course, this could all be wrong.

 

[UNCjigga]

Politics is so fucked up right now, the public in general doesn't know how to react to a candidate for public office who isn't bought and paid for by billionaires and lobbyists and is focusing on the common man and woman.

"Social safety net? Healthcare as a right? Free higher education? That's just crazy talk!"

 

[Moonbeam]

Other times what he says is batshit crazy and unfeasible in the real world.

Yup, I know, he wants to invade Greenland and sell the ice to combat global warming.

 

[Moonbeam]

Politics is so fucked up right now, the public in general doesn't know how to react to a candidate for public office who isn't bought and paid for by billionaires and lobbyists and is focusing on the common man and woman.

"Social safety net? Healthcare as a right? Free higher education? That's just crazy talk!"

It's that dread and utterly insane socialism where all them money isn't owned by just a few people. How crazy can you be?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Yup, I know, he wants to invade Greenland and sell the ice to combat global warming.

It's on fire right now



Greenland is burning: Country hit with more wildfires this year than in past decade combined

https://nationalpost.com/news/world...ce-sheet-is-on-track-for-a-record-melt-season

 

[Blackjack200]

That's Bernie though. Sometimes what he says makes sense. Other times what he says is batshit crazy and unfeasible in the real world.

Example?

 

[Jhhnn]

Remember that billions are being spent to have anybody but the candidates themselves tell you what they stand for. Almost all of what we believe about politics and much else was told to us by fans or proponents of the candidates. Then there is the matter of what the candidates think being objective itself. Everybody has an objective opinion or so they think. If you actually know you might not know what you think you know, there is a chance one may actually be able to be open to learning. Of course, this could all be wrong.

Well, yeh, of course. I mean, why listen to the candidates when Trump & Fox News personalities explain it so well? They made it obvious to me that AOC hates all Jews & makes the baby Jesus cry.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's on fire right now

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Greenland is burning: Country hit with more wildfires this year than in past decade combined

https://nationalpost.com/news/world...ce-sheet-is-on-track-for-a-record-melt-season

Filthy fucking Leftists set those fires to discredit the Donald, the Precious. Everybody knows that climate change is a Chinese hoax.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's on fire right now

View attachment 9655

Greenland is burning: Country hit with more wildfires this year than in past decade combined

https://nationalpost.com/news/world...ce-sheet-is-on-track-for-a-record-melt-season

It's a forest management problem. They need to get out there and rake the underbrush same like California.

 

[dank69]

It's a forest management problem. They need to get out there and rake the underbrush same like California.

Hopefully Trump can MGGA

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Example?

Just one? Have a look at the incredible predictions he has made about his economic programs, then have a look at what economists say are the likely results. The predictions he makes about the impact of his proposals are completely divorced from reality. The predictions of his policies be Gerald Friedman, who he had analyze it, was ripped to shreds.

Example. That removing stimulus has no impact. That the full effect of a temporary stimulus will remain after its removal. Second example. That a permanent rise in government spending will yield a permanent rise on the rate of change of output. That’s the basis of his claims of incredible economic growth but it’s not born out in the conventional wisdom of how an economy works.

His focus on climate change and reducing carbon emissions is great. That being said he promises to eliminate nuclear energy which produces 1/5 of the energy in the country and produces no greenhouse gases. Sanders denied that the closure of the Vermont nuclear plant increased emissions. The data says otherwise. It increased more than double the national average.

 

[Blackjack200]

Just one? Have a look at the incredible predictions he has made about his economic programs, then have a look at what economists say are the likely results. The predictions he makes about the impact of his proposals are completely divorced from reality. The predictions of his policies be Gerald Friedman, who he had analyze it, was ripped to shreds.

Example. That removing stimulus has no impact. That the full effect of a temporary stimulus will remain after its removal. Second example. That a permanent rise in government spending will yield a permanent rise on the rate of change of output. That’s the basis of his claims of incredible economic growth but it’s not born out in the conventional wisdom of how an economy works.

His focus on climate change and reducing carbon emissions is great. That being said he promises to eliminate nuclear energy which produces 1/5 of the energy in the country and produces no greenhouse gases. Sanders denied that the closure of the Vermont nuclear plant increase emissions. The data says otherwise. It increase more than double the national average.

You posted some things that you disagree with, I don't see anything in there that's "bat shit crazy".

 

[MomentsofSanity]

You posted some things that you disagree with, I don't see anything in there that's "bat shit crazy".

I posted what experts have said about his policies being incredibly grandiose and having no basis in the world we currently occupy. They are devoid of fact and reason. It’s not that I disagree with them. Reality disagrees with them.

This isn’t just my opinion. This is the opinion of the people who know best on the subjects. You can try to claim it’s just something I don’t like if it makes it easier for them. How about instead you show me where I’m wrong. Where the economists are wrong. Where the emission results for Vermont are wrong.

 

[Blackjack200]

I posted what experts have said about his policies being incredibly grandiose and having no basis in the world we currently occupy. They are devoid of fact and reason. It’s not that I disagree with them. Reality disagrees with them.

This isn’t just my opinion. This is the opinion of the people who know best on the subjects. You can try to claim it’s just something I don’t like if it makes it easier for them. How about instead you show me where I’m wrong. Where the economists are wrong. Where the emission results for Vermont are wrong.

Pretty tough for me to do when you didn’t bother to provide a single link, article, quote, or source.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Pretty tough for me to do when you didn’t bother to provide a single link, article, quote, or source.

Not really. His policies on economics and energy are public as are the evaluations by Friedman and the rebuttals by, well, everyone. As is his denials about the impact of closing the Vermont nuclear plant and the data on their increase in emissions.

 

[Blackjack200]

Not really. His policies on economics and energy are public as are the evaluations by Friedman and the rebuttals by, well, everyone. As is his denials about the impact of closing the Vermont nuclear plant and the data on their increase in emissions.

Great.

 

[ivwshane]

Bernie has always sounded great, its how he's been elected and re-elected for some 40 years.

The problem with Bernie is that his solutions are either very limited or aren't supported by the facts (see the costs of his health care and college plans).

The other problem with Bernie is that he had a history of not getting anything done. For how long he's been in office he's accomplished zero of his goals or have had zero meaningful impact on any of the ills he speaks about.

I like Bernie, he's consistent and he's consistently on the right side of every issue. But he's all talk.

 

[Moonbeam]

.The other problem with Bernie is that he had a history of not getting anything done. For how long he's been in office he's accomplished zero of his goals or have had zero meaningful impact on any of the ills he speaks about.

Not necessarily. We've gone from having no idea of what he's talking about as a nation, to believing everything he says is wildly impractical, with the help of billions of dollars of propaganda, plus, even Christ and his 2000 year old church can't seem to sell real Christianity to Americans and we even elected the Anti-Christ for President. Patience, patience, please. Truth and goodness take time to manifest.

As for me, I'd take a few strides down Sander's revolution to a few baby tiny steps from the incrementalists.

 

[1prophet]

It's almost like progressive democrats have real ideas on real issues that affect America and every day Americans.

Edit: not a Bernie bro, but definitely on board with the progressive democrat ideas in general. And no TANSTAAFL - shit gets paid for with taxes.

Problem is tax the rich means income taxes to most and that won't in itself work and it never has, even during the days of the highest tax rates the richest paid no income taxes.

This was in 1966, long before trickle down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Reform_Act_of_1969

In extreme cases, individuals enjoyed large economic incomes without paying any tax at all. This was true for example in the case of 154 returns in 1966 with adjusted gross incomes of $200,000 a year (apart from those with income exclusions which do not show on the returns filed). Similarly, a number of large corporations paid either no tax at all or taxes which represented very low effective rates

What does work and has built up this country is when American businesses had manufacturing based in the USA which resulted in many other taxes being paid from property taxes, sales taxes, payroll taxes etc. which obviously meant a lower difference of CEO pay to employee pay, because the management and owners are sharing the wealth with employees and the community/country and the end result being everyone prospers.

In came free trade deals and outsourcing whose only purpose was to move more of that wealth upward by avoiding the environmental, labor, safety, and all other associated taxes and costs by making in America as well as trickle down tax cuts for the very rich, end result is Mexico and other Central American countries turning into less than desirable places to be, hence mass illegal immigration, China becoming an economic powerhouse still abiding by its communist totalitarian style government currently flexing its muscles more and more, and a hollowed out American middle class that has been bullshitted by the bought and paid for politicians for over 30 years.

But if you are a west coast Silicon Valley gazillionaire or an east coast Wall Street tycoon who cares about the rest of the country especially the flyover deplorable middle as long as you got yours, that is until they gave you and the rest of the world Trump, threatening to cut off your cheap illegal laborers or your outsource slaves in far away countries which is the main reason the rich have gotten richer while the middle class stagnated and regressed economically.

As for the student loan debt problem, bring back bankruptcy protection and the problem will solve itself real fast.

 

[brycejones]

Problem is tax the rich means income taxes to most and that won't in itself work and it never has, even during the days of the highest tax rates the richest paid no income taxes.

This was in 1966, long before trickle down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Reform_Act_of_1969


What does work and has built up this country is when American businesses had manufacturing based in the USA which resulted in many other taxes being paid from property taxes, sales taxes, payroll taxes etc. which obviously meant a lower difference of CEO pay to employee pay, because the management and owners are sharing the wealth with employees and the community/country and the end result being everyone prospers.

In came free trade deals and outsourcing whose only purpose was to move more of that wealth upward by avoiding the environmental, labor, safety, and all other associated taxes and costs by making in America as well as trickle down tax cuts for the very rich, end result is Mexico and other Central American countries turning into less than desirable places to be, hence mass illegal immigration, China becoming an economic powerhouse still abiding by its communist totalitarian style government currently flexing its muscles more and more, and a hollowed out American middle class that has been bullshitted by the bought and paid for politicians for over 30 years.

But if you are a west coast Silicon Valley gazillionaire or an east coast Wall Street tycoon who cares about the rest of the country especially the flyover deplorable middle as long as you got yours, that is until they gave you and the rest of the world Trump, threatening to cut off your cheap illegal laborers or your outsource slaves in far away countries which is the main reason the rich have gotten richer while the middle class stagnated and regressed economically.

As for the student loan debt problem, bring back bankruptcy protection and the problem will solve itself real fast.

Can you name one leader on the national stage who you support?

 

[Thump553]

That's Bernie though. Sometimes what he says makes sense. Other times what he says is batshit crazy and unfeasible in the real world.

This. Bernie Sanders is the Ron Paul of the left-says a lot of good things together with a whole bunch of pie in the sky stuff. Both proved to be almost completely ineffective legislators that got a lot of supporters and funds for their grandstanding.

 

[Blackjack200]

This. Bernie Sanders is the Ron Paul of the left-says a lot of good things together with a whole bunch of pie in the sky stuff. Both proved to be almost completely ineffective legislators that got a lot of supporters and funds for their grandstanding.

His signature policy issues, M4A, $15, student debt relief, are now table stakes for Democratic candidates. He has brought attention and momentum to issues like prison reform, and his huge grassroots campaign has facilitated progessive Democrats like AOC, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Talib. But go off.