Diamonds.

[liluqt]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Doboji

Yeah um... but you still want a 2ct platinum ring... so he's saving his money for what? so he can buy you more later?

-Max

dude. i think she was kidding about getting a 2ct platinum ring

oh

sowwy...

well you'd be surprised how many women actually do talk like that and aren't joking.

-Max

I know what you mean. I know a lot of those and I'm quite the opposite. I guess that's why I hang out with mostly guys and find it difficult to hang with girls. Maybe that's why I'm on this board when I should be working!

My family doesn't come from the best situation so I've learned what hard work and saving is. His family isn't in the best situation right now either so I've tried to be there for him and help him make smart decisions.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: liluqt

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: liluqt

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: liluqt

Originally posted by: akubi

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Timely thread. I've been ring shopping lately and it blows my mind how much damn diamonds cost. Luckily my GF has small hands, size 4 ring finger, so the largest stone she wants is a 1ct. Anything bigger just looks weird on her hand

Asian GF?

asian girl who only wants 1ct? dream on.... :laugh:

I'm aiming for 2 ct when the time comes and a certain somebody better be reading this too. Platinum it too!

If I was the certain somebody... I would kick your ass out on the curb

:Q Have a cookie

Seriously... what makes you such a spoiled biatch... do you know how much a 2ct diamond, and platinum ring costs? Go look it up... then only expect it if you are willing to buy him something of equal or greater value to show him your love.

Spoiled little wenches like you is what nearly ruined my engagement process... thankfully my fiancee was blown away by my ring which was way beyond what she expected.

You should take yourself down a couple notches.

-Max

Okay, let's calm it down, please. First of all, there is really no need for name calling or insults. If you knew me in person, I am not like that at all. There is such thing as sarcasm over the internet. I'm very careful about my money and that of my boyfriend's. In fact, for my birthday just a few weeks ago, he wanted to take me on a cruise dinner, but I told him the morning of when he surprised me with the plans that I wanted him to save his money instead so we just stayed home and I could've cared less. We've been together long enough to cherish everyday together as a couple rather than one particular day alone - at least that's what I tell him. It is quite the opposite in our relationship. He's the one who wants to splurge on me, and I lecture him about money. He is the one who talks about getting me the largest diamond and he is the one who wants platinum for me. He is the one I yelled at when he spent hundreds and hundreds on .25 ct diamond earrings when I told him he could've gotten them for $79 somewhere cheaper.

So in my eyes, I don't believe I'm a "wench" or a "biatch."

nothing against you liluqt (as I assume you were being sarcastic) however i agree with what he posted, women who demand/ expect nothing less then a huge diamond ring disgust me, almost as much as women that smoke cigs

its is sad that today the deciding factor in one marrying another is the size of the ring he buys for you, hove women become that pathetic and materialistic that love means nothing and all this is important is the small shiny status symbol you can wear on your finger and show off to your friends?

I don't plan on buying a diamond ring for the person i marry ever, I think diamonds are ugly and boring as well as not wanting to support that horrific diamond industry, its just aint gonna happen, and if she has issues with that, you know what then fvck her, the fact that i want to marry her should be more then enough, the ring is meaningless, hell if she truly loved you she would say YES when presented for one of those rings from the vending machine outside Walmart

My dad didn't buy my mom a diamond until their 10 year anniversary or so, he as well thinks they look like cut glass, He got her a Black Star Sapphire for an engagement ring, she loved it and they have been together for nearly 30 years

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Balthazar

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Balthazar
Wow, thanks for that, pansy huh.

I like how NOBODY here has actually provided a link for this stuff which is what I asked for.

And you know what, I don't drive my car and call it a symbol of my love for someone.

I'm not suggesting that the products I come into contact with are all 100% exploitation free. But again. A can of soda is not the universally accepted symbol of undying love now is it.

Ahhh I think I finally see where you're coming from. But here's where I think you're wrong. I don't think most women see diamonds as the "true symbol of love"... I think they are very much caught up in the beauty of the ring itself, and the showing off of the engagement. Any woman who would say without the diamond there is no love, is certainly not worth the dog doo on the heel of my boot. However I don't think most women really view it that way... all women love pretty jewelry... of which a diamond ring is pretty much the best.

-Max

First off, MANY women view it as such.
Second, if it was all about looks why would it be a GUARANTEED bad day if your girl found out it was a CZ?
Why is platinum, which, as mentioned earlier, dulls faster and requires more cleaning to stay decent looking, so popular with women?

If she REALLY just wants a pretty bit of jewelry, then she would fit into my category potentially, because it would be the ring itself and the fact that it was "natural" that interested her.

And again, the reception showing off to friends. I'm not really interested in a woman like that.

I hear where you're coming from, but I recommend you take the time to actually understand the world of diamonds... it's almost like a really expensive collecting hobby... like baseball cards. Each diamond is completely unique in it's color, it's blemishes, and the way it is cut. Cutting diamonds is pretty much an art form, and thus is very different than a CZ each of which is pretty much identical, and where it takes no effort to find a perfect CZ in both color and clarity.

Like the difference between an Error card and a regular card. The diamond's value is in it's uiqueness. And when you actually get into it, it's fairly interesting.

-Max

 

[elektrolokomotive]

You people trying to compare Diamonds to Nikes are laughable. That's not a fiar comparison.

Debeers = monopoly
Nike /= monopoly

Nike doesn't have the power to control the market the way Debeers does.

That being said, Debeers is a dreadful company. Besides making their profit on the backs of exploited workers, Their business practices are practically mafia-like. They are scared to death of man-made diamonds, and will do everything they can, legal or otherwise, to stop the proliferation of same. The man-made diamonds are nearly perfect in every way, and getting better all the time.

This is something Mrs. Elektro and I agree on. She's much more inclined to go with a Moissanite gemstone than a diamond. They are incredibly brilliant, and cost a fraction of a natural diamond. She doesn't have to feel bad about what it took to get it on her finger, and as she puts it, "no one's walking around with a loupe out there checking for the laser inscription". Also, she gets a larger stone as it's more closely aligned with our budget.

Another reason I love her so much.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Balthazar

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Balthazar
Wow, thanks for that, pansy huh.

I like how NOBODY here has actually provided a link for this stuff which is what I asked for.

And you know what, I don't drive my car and call it a symbol of my love for someone.

I'm not suggesting that the products I come into contact with are all 100% exploitation free. But again. A can of soda is not the universally accepted symbol of undying love now is it.

Ahhh I think I finally see where you're coming from. But here's where I think you're wrong. I don't think most women see diamonds as the "true symbol of love"... I think they are very much caught up in the beauty of the ring itself, and the showing off of the engagement. Any woman who would say without the diamond there is no love, is certainly not worth the dog doo on the heel of my boot. However I don't think most women really view it that way... all women love pretty jewelry... of which a diamond ring is pretty much the best.

-Max

First off, MANY women view it as such.
Second, if it was all about looks why would it be a GUARANTEED bad day if your girl found out it was a CZ?
Why is platinum, which, as mentioned earlier, dulls faster and requires more cleaning to stay decent looking, so popular with women?

If she REALLY just wants a pretty bit of jewelry, then she would fit into my category potentially, because it would be the ring itself and the fact that it was "natural" that interested her.

And again, the reception showing off to friends. I'm not really interested in a woman like that.

I'd rather not have a ring than have to wear a CZ. Sorry but I've had money and not had money and during hard luck times I'll go without jewelery of any sort rather than wear fake/costume jewelry,it's a matter of personal taste and style. Buying me a cheap,synthetic ring as a symbol of what is supposed to be a forever commitment seems more than a little insulting.If a guy objects to diamonds on moral principals that's fine,I'd prefer in that case that he didn't buy me any ring at all, I'll purchase my own jewelry.

Also, I think the option of family or estate jewelry is a nice compromise.Those stones have already been mined,whatever scarifices were made to get them have been made.You can purchase them for a fraction of the price of new stones, in that way you honor the memory of the workers who harvested the stone and you get a ring with some history and a story.

 

[GeneValgene]

info taken from the UN website:

Conflict Diamonds: Sanctions and War

 

[Balthazar]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Balthazar

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Balthazar
Wow, thanks for that, pansy huh.

I like how NOBODY here has actually provided a link for this stuff which is what I asked for.

And you know what, I don't drive my car and call it a symbol of my love for someone.

I'm not suggesting that the products I come into contact with are all 100% exploitation free. But again. A can of soda is not the universally accepted symbol of undying love now is it.

Ahhh I think I finally see where you're coming from. But here's where I think you're wrong. I don't think most women see diamonds as the "true symbol of love"... I think they are very much caught up in the beauty of the ring itself, and the showing off of the engagement. Any woman who would say without the diamond there is no love, is certainly not worth the dog doo on the heel of my boot. However I don't think most women really view it that way... all women love pretty jewelry... of which a diamond ring is pretty much the best.

-Max

First off, MANY women view it as such.
Second, if it was all about looks why would it be a GUARANTEED bad day if your girl found out it was a CZ?
Why is platinum, which, as mentioned earlier, dulls faster and requires more cleaning to stay decent looking, so popular with women?

If she REALLY just wants a pretty bit of jewelry, then she would fit into my category potentially, because it would be the ring itself and the fact that it was "natural" that interested her.

And again, the reception showing off to friends. I'm not really interested in a woman like that.

I hear where you're coming from, but I recommend you take the time to actually understand the world of diamonds... it's almost like a really expensive collecting hobby... like baseball cards. Each diamond is completely unique in it's color, it's blemishes, and the way it is cut. Cutting diamonds is pretty much an art form, and thus is very different than a CZ each of which is pretty much identical, and where it takes no effort to find a perfect CZ in both color and clarity.

Like the difference between an Error card and a regular card. The diamond's value is in it's uiqueness. And when you actually get into it, it's fairly interesting.

-Max

Thats all good and fine but again, baseball cards to carry quite the impetus.

Does it seem like I haven't put much thought into this to you? Because I have.
And the fact that "unique diamonds are interesting" doesn't justify the fact that I CANNOT put someone on a womans finger that was bought and paid for with, even possibly, the lives of people, from a cartel of greedy a-holes, and say "here, this is a symbol of my love for you".

Real diamonds ARE quite fascinating. The process of their creation, the chemical mixtures combined with astounding pressure forming something so exsquisite.

I have no problem with diamonds, diamonds are great.

What PEOPLE have done with them in the past, and even still in the present, is what I have a problem with.

It doesn't diminish their uniqueness, but it does diminish their value to me.

And thats what its about, I'm not looking to marry you, but the woman I marry SHOULD have similar ideals as me, at least in that area. And even if its just "some piece of jewelry I'm stuck wearing for life", it doesn't change the fact that "real" diamonds have a history attached to them that is not the kind of thing I would want associated with what _I_ see as a symbol of love.

And do you HONESTLY think that women get mad when they find out its a CZ because "YOU BASTARD! IT'S NOT UNIQUE!!!!"?

Honestly?

Women who get pissed about that get pissed because "That cheap fvck bought me a fake diamond".

And all I am saying is that a woman who WANTS a synthetic diamond, who understands WHY she wants it (not just "because he said"), is a closer match for me and my ideals, at least in one area.

And a woman who would be ok with (or even excited about) the aforementioned 10 person ceremony is an even CLOSER match.

I'm not saying anyone who buys or wears a diamond ring is a jackass who murders kids. I'm just saying it not for ME, and a woman who insists on it....is also not for me.

 

[PingSpike]

Women will continue to demand the expensive diamonds. Because they're expensive.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Balthazar

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Balthazar

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Balthazar
Wow, thanks for that, pansy huh.

I like how NOBODY here has actually provided a link for this stuff which is what I asked for.

And you know what, I don't drive my car and call it a symbol of my love for someone.

I'm not suggesting that the products I come into contact with are all 100% exploitation free. But again. A can of soda is not the universally accepted symbol of undying love now is it.

Ahhh I think I finally see where you're coming from. But here's where I think you're wrong. I don't think most women see diamonds as the "true symbol of love"... I think they are very much caught up in the beauty of the ring itself, and the showing off of the engagement. Any woman who would say without the diamond there is no love, is certainly not worth the dog doo on the heel of my boot. However I don't think most women really view it that way... all women love pretty jewelry... of which a diamond ring is pretty much the best.

-Max

First off, MANY women view it as such.
Second, if it was all about looks why would it be a GUARANTEED bad day if your girl found out it was a CZ?
Why is platinum, which, as mentioned earlier, dulls faster and requires more cleaning to stay decent looking, so popular with women?

If she REALLY just wants a pretty bit of jewelry, then she would fit into my category potentially, because it would be the ring itself and the fact that it was "natural" that interested her.

And again, the reception showing off to friends. I'm not really interested in a woman like that.

I hear where you're coming from, but I recommend you take the time to actually understand the world of diamonds... it's almost like a really expensive collecting hobby... like baseball cards. Each diamond is completely unique in it's color, it's blemishes, and the way it is cut. Cutting diamonds is pretty much an art form, and thus is very different than a CZ each of which is pretty much identical, and where it takes no effort to find a perfect CZ in both color and clarity.

Like the difference between an Error card and a regular card. The diamond's value is in it's uiqueness. And when you actually get into it, it's fairly interesting.

-Max

Thats all good and fine but again, baseball cards to carry quite the impetus.

Does it seem like I haven't put much thought into this to you? Because I have.
And the fact that "unique diamonds are interesting" doesn't justify the fact that I CANNOT put someone on a womans finger that was bought and paid for with, even possibly, the lives of people, from a cartel of greedy a-holes, and say "here, this is a symbol of my love for you".

Real diamonds ARE quite fascinating. The process of their creation, the chemical mixtures combined with astounding pressure forming something so exsquisite.

I have no problem with diamonds, diamonds are great.

What PEOPLE have done with them in the past, and even still in the present, is what I have a problem with.

It doesn't diminish their uniqueness, but it does diminish their value to me.

And thats what its about, I'm not looking to marry you, but the woman I marry SHOULD have similar ideals as me, at least in that area. And even if its just "some piece of jewelry I'm stuck wearing for life", it doesn't change the fact that "real" diamonds have a history attached to them that is not the kind of thing I would want associated with what _I_ see as a symbol of love.

And do you HONESTLY think that women get mad when they find out its a CZ because "YOU BASTARD! IT'S NOT UNIQUE!!!!"?

Honestly?

Women who get pissed about that get pissed because "That cheap fvck bought me a fake diamond".

And all I am saying is that a woman who WANTS a synthetic diamond, who understands WHY she wants it (not just "because he said"), is a closer match for me and my ideals, at least in one area.

And a woman who would be ok with (or even excited about) the aforementioned 10 person ceremony is an even CLOSER match.

I'm not saying anyone who buys or wears a diamond ring is a jackass who murders kids. I'm just saying it not for ME, and a woman who insists on it....is also not for me.

i you were a woman i think i woudl marry you

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Balthazar

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Balthazar

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Balthazar
Wow, thanks for that, pansy huh.

I like how NOBODY here has actually provided a link for this stuff which is what I asked for.

And you know what, I don't drive my car and call it a symbol of my love for someone.

I'm not suggesting that the products I come into contact with are all 100% exploitation free. But again. A can of soda is not the universally accepted symbol of undying love now is it.

Ahhh I think I finally see where you're coming from. But here's where I think you're wrong. I don't think most women see diamonds as the "true symbol of love"... I think they are very much caught up in the beauty of the ring itself, and the showing off of the engagement. Any woman who would say without the diamond there is no love, is certainly not worth the dog doo on the heel of my boot. However I don't think most women really view it that way... all women love pretty jewelry... of which a diamond ring is pretty much the best.

-Max

First off, MANY women view it as such.
Second, if it was all about looks why would it be a GUARANTEED bad day if your girl found out it was a CZ?
Why is platinum, which, as mentioned earlier, dulls faster and requires more cleaning to stay decent looking, so popular with women?

If she REALLY just wants a pretty bit of jewelry, then she would fit into my category potentially, because it would be the ring itself and the fact that it was "natural" that interested her.

And again, the reception showing off to friends. I'm not really interested in a woman like that.

I hear where you're coming from, but I recommend you take the time to actually understand the world of diamonds... it's almost like a really expensive collecting hobby... like baseball cards. Each diamond is completely unique in it's color, it's blemishes, and the way it is cut. Cutting diamonds is pretty much an art form, and thus is very different than a CZ each of which is pretty much identical, and where it takes no effort to find a perfect CZ in both color and clarity.

Like the difference between an Error card and a regular card. The diamond's value is in it's uiqueness. And when you actually get into it, it's fairly interesting.

-Max

Thats all good and fine but again, baseball cards to carry quite the impetus.

Does it seem like I haven't put much thought into this to you? Because I have.
And the fact that "unique diamonds are interesting" doesn't justify the fact that I CANNOT put someone on a womans finger that was bought and paid for with, even possibly, the lives of people, from a cartel of greedy a-holes, and say "here, this is a symbol of my love for you".

Real diamonds ARE quite fascinating. The process of their creation, the chemical mixtures combined with astounding pressure forming something so exsquisite.

I have no problem with diamonds, diamonds are great.

What PEOPLE have done with them in the past, and even still in the present, is what I have a problem with.

It doesn't diminish their uniqueness, but it does diminish their value to me.

And thats what its about, I'm not looking to marry you, but the woman I marry SHOULD have similar ideals as me, at least in that area. And even if its just "some piece of jewelry I'm stuck wearing for life", it doesn't change the fact that "real" diamonds have a history attached to them that is not the kind of thing I would want associated with what _I_ see as a symbol of love.

And do you HONESTLY think that women get mad when they find out its a CZ because "YOU BASTARD! IT'S NOT UNIQUE!!!!"?

Honestly?

Women who get pissed about that get pissed because "That cheap fvck bought me a fake diamond".

And all I am saying is that a woman who WANTS a synthetic diamond, who understands WHY she wants it (not just "because he said"), is a closer match for me and my ideals, at least in one area.

And a woman who would be ok with (or even excited about) the aforementioned 10 person ceremony is an even CLOSER match.

I'm not saying anyone who buys or wears a diamond ring is a jackass who murders kids. I'm just saying it not for ME, and a woman who insists on it....is also not for me.

Again I understand where you're coming from. But in the end, you're not going to dump the woman you're in love with and have decided you want to spend the rest of your life with, when she tells you she likes diamonds. Furthermore you're not going to filter your dates by asking what they think about diamonds... most you won't get a second date with, and the others you dont WANT a second date with.

I honestly don't feel bad about buying a diamond at all... I made all the precautions I could to try and get a non-conflict diamond... thats all I can do. I'm very proud of the ring I had made, and I'm confident she loves it, and will wear it until it gets passed on as a family heirloom.

But I definitly understand your position, and empathize with your disdain for the cultural phenomenon that diamonds are.


-Max

 

[Balthazar]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Balthazar

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Balthazar
Wow, thanks for that, pansy huh.

I like how NOBODY here has actually provided a link for this stuff which is what I asked for.

And you know what, I don't drive my car and call it a symbol of my love for someone.

I'm not suggesting that the products I come into contact with are all 100% exploitation free. But again. A can of soda is not the universally accepted symbol of undying love now is it.

Ahhh I think I finally see where you're coming from. But here's where I think you're wrong. I don't think most women see diamonds as the "true symbol of love"... I think they are very much caught up in the beauty of the ring itself, and the showing off of the engagement. Any woman who would say without the diamond there is no love, is certainly not worth the dog doo on the heel of my boot. However I don't think most women really view it that way... all women love pretty jewelry... of which a diamond ring is pretty much the best.

-Max

First off, MANY women view it as such.
Second, if it was all about looks why would it be a GUARANTEED bad day if your girl found out it was a CZ?
Why is platinum, which, as mentioned earlier, dulls faster and requires more cleaning to stay decent looking, so popular with women?

If she REALLY just wants a pretty bit of jewelry, then she would fit into my category potentially, because it would be the ring itself and the fact that it was "natural" that interested her.

And again, the reception showing off to friends. I'm not really interested in a woman like that.

I'd rather not have a ring than have to wear a CZ. Sorry but I've had money and not had money and during hard luck times I'll go without jewelery of any sort rather than wear fake/costume jewelry,it's a matter of personal taste and style. Buying me a cheap,synthetic ring as a symbol of what is supposed to be a forever commitment seems more than a little insulting.If a guy objects to diamonds on moral principals that's fine,I'd prefer in that case that he didn't buy me any ring at all, I'll purchase my own jewelry.

Also, I think the option of family or estate jewelry is a nice compromise.Those stones have already been mined,whatever scarifices were made to get them have been made.You can purchase them for a fraction of the price of new stones, in that way you honor the memory of the workers who harvested the stone and you get a ring with some history and a story.

I would never, EVER marry you.
In one breath its an insult because its a symbol of an everlasting commitment. But in the next, if you are going to buy some ugly piece of crap then just don't bother.

Nevermind the fact that it looks and IS identical to a "real" diamond.
But you said the key word there...."cheap"....

You know what, I don't care if a synthetic ring cost twice as much.

If the woman Iloved looked at me and said "I know you disagree with Debeers and the history of diamonds and the suffering caused by them. So just don't buy me a ring because I want a diamond and since you dont like it and wont buy me one, I'll buy it myself." she would be COMPLETELY flying in the face of what I believe.

And I can ASSURE you, her not getting a ring from me would NOT be a problem.

It's not a fvcking fashion statement. A melted down sodacan with a cubic zirconia should be ENOUGH if you actually understood what the POINT of that ring was in the first place.

But thats the great thing, I don't have to marry you, and you don't have to have some cheap ugly sythetic stone that DIDN'T come from a company who makes their living of the lives of innocent people.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Balthazar

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Balthazar

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Balthazar
Wow, thanks for that, pansy huh.

I like how NOBODY here has actually provided a link for this stuff which is what I asked for.

And you know what, I don't drive my car and call it a symbol of my love for someone.

I'm not suggesting that the products I come into contact with are all 100% exploitation free. But again. A can of soda is not the universally accepted symbol of undying love now is it.

Ahhh I think I finally see where you're coming from. But here's where I think you're wrong. I don't think most women see diamonds as the "true symbol of love"... I think they are very much caught up in the beauty of the ring itself, and the showing off of the engagement. Any woman who would say without the diamond there is no love, is certainly not worth the dog doo on the heel of my boot. However I don't think most women really view it that way... all women love pretty jewelry... of which a diamond ring is pretty much the best.

-Max

First off, MANY women view it as such.
Second, if it was all about looks why would it be a GUARANTEED bad day if your girl found out it was a CZ?
Why is platinum, which, as mentioned earlier, dulls faster and requires more cleaning to stay decent looking, so popular with women?

If she REALLY just wants a pretty bit of jewelry, then she would fit into my category potentially, because it would be the ring itself and the fact that it was "natural" that interested her.

And again, the reception showing off to friends. I'm not really interested in a woman like that.

I'd rather not have a ring than have to wear a CZ. Sorry but I've had money and not had money and during hard luck times I'll go without jewelery of any sort rather than wear fake/costume jewelry,it's a matter of personal taste and style. Buying me a cheap,synthetic ring as a symbol of what is supposed to be a forever commitment seems more than a little insulting.If a guy objects to diamonds on moral principals that's fine,I'd prefer in that case that he didn't buy me any ring at all, I'll purchase my own jewelry.

Also, I think the option of family or estate jewelry is a nice compromise.Those stones have already been mined,whatever scarifices were made to get them have been made.You can purchase them for a fraction of the price of new stones, in that way you honor the memory of the workers who harvested the stone and you get a ring with some history and a story.

I would never, EVER marry you.
In one breath its an insult because its a symbol of an everlasting commitment. But in the next, if you are going to buy some ugly piece of crap then just don't bother.

Nevermind the fact that it looks and IS identical to a "real" diamond.
But you said the key word there...."cheap"....

You know what, I don't care if a synthetic ring cost twice as much.

If the woman Iloved looked at me and said "I know you disagree with Debeers and the history of diamonds and the suffering caused by them. So just don't buy me a ring because I want a diamond and since you dont like it and wont buy me one, I'll buy it myself." she would be COMPLETELY flying in the face of what I believe.

And I can ASSURE you, her not getting a ring from me would NOT be a problem.

It's not a fvcking fashion statement. A melted down sodacan with a cubic zirconia should be ENOUGH if you actually understood what the POINT of that ring was in the first place.

But thats the great thing, I don't have to marry you, and you don't have to have some cheap ugly sythetic stone that DIDN'T come from a company who makes their living of the lives of innocent people.

What's wrong with the option of not buying her any ring at all? Why should anybody have to wear a piece of jewelry they don't like in order to "prove" their love?

How about the option of no engagement or wedding rings at all ? Sorry but expecting somebody to jump up and down for joy at the prospect of wearing a piece of jewelry they don't like everyday for the rest of their lives seems like emotional blackmail to me.If a guy feels that way about diamonds that's his choice, let's just not get any rings whatsoever.

 

[Balthazar]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Balthazar

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Balthazar

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Balthazar
Wow, thanks for that, pansy huh.

I like how NOBODY here has actually provided a link for this stuff which is what I asked for.

And you know what, I don't drive my car and call it a symbol of my love for someone.

I'm not suggesting that the products I come into contact with are all 100% exploitation free. But again. A can of soda is not the universally accepted symbol of undying love now is it.

Ahhh I think I finally see where you're coming from. But here's where I think you're wrong. I don't think most women see diamonds as the "true symbol of love"... I think they are very much caught up in the beauty of the ring itself, and the showing off of the engagement. Any woman who would say without the diamond there is no love, is certainly not worth the dog doo on the heel of my boot. However I don't think most women really view it that way... all women love pretty jewelry... of which a diamond ring is pretty much the best.

-Max

First off, MANY women view it as such.
Second, if it was all about looks why would it be a GUARANTEED bad day if your girl found out it was a CZ?
Why is platinum, which, as mentioned earlier, dulls faster and requires more cleaning to stay decent looking, so popular with women?

If she REALLY just wants a pretty bit of jewelry, then she would fit into my category potentially, because it would be the ring itself and the fact that it was "natural" that interested her.

And again, the reception showing off to friends. I'm not really interested in a woman like that.

I hear where you're coming from, but I recommend you take the time to actually understand the world of diamonds... it's almost like a really expensive collecting hobby... like baseball cards. Each diamond is completely unique in it's color, it's blemishes, and the way it is cut. Cutting diamonds is pretty much an art form, and thus is very different than a CZ each of which is pretty much identical, and where it takes no effort to find a perfect CZ in both color and clarity.

Like the difference between an Error card and a regular card. The diamond's value is in it's uiqueness. And when you actually get into it, it's fairly interesting.

-Max

Thats all good and fine but again, baseball cards to carry quite the impetus.

Does it seem like I haven't put much thought into this to you? Because I have.
And the fact that "unique diamonds are interesting" doesn't justify the fact that I CANNOT put someone on a womans finger that was bought and paid for with, even possibly, the lives of people, from a cartel of greedy a-holes, and say "here, this is a symbol of my love for you".

Real diamonds ARE quite fascinating. The process of their creation, the chemical mixtures combined with astounding pressure forming something so exsquisite.

I have no problem with diamonds, diamonds are great.

What PEOPLE have done with them in the past, and even still in the present, is what I have a problem with.

It doesn't diminish their uniqueness, but it does diminish their value to me.

And thats what its about, I'm not looking to marry you, but the woman I marry SHOULD have similar ideals as me, at least in that area. And even if its just "some piece of jewelry I'm stuck wearing for life", it doesn't change the fact that "real" diamonds have a history attached to them that is not the kind of thing I would want associated with what _I_ see as a symbol of love.

And do you HONESTLY think that women get mad when they find out its a CZ because "YOU BASTARD! IT'S NOT UNIQUE!!!!"?

Honestly?

Women who get pissed about that get pissed because "That cheap fvck bought me a fake diamond".

And all I am saying is that a woman who WANTS a synthetic diamond, who understands WHY she wants it (not just "because he said"), is a closer match for me and my ideals, at least in one area.

And a woman who would be ok with (or even excited about) the aforementioned 10 person ceremony is an even CLOSER match.

I'm not saying anyone who buys or wears a diamond ring is a jackass who murders kids. I'm just saying it not for ME, and a woman who insists on it....is also not for me.

Again I understand where you're coming from. But in the end, you're not going to dump the woman you're in love with and have decided you want to spend the rest of your life with, when she tells you she likes diamonds. Furthermore you're not going to filter your dates by asking what they think about diamonds... most you won't get a second date with, and the others you dont WANT a second date with.

I honestly don't feel bad about buying a diamond at all... I made all the precautions I could to try and get a non-conflict diamond... thats all I can do. I'm very proud of the ring I had made, and I'm confident she loves it, and will wear it until it gets passed on as a family heirloom.

But I definitly understand your position, and empathize with your disdain for the cultural phenomenon that diamonds are.


-Max

Yeah and to emphasize, I am NOT suggesting that anyone who buys a diamond is an ahole, not at all.

I just personally cannot do business with a company like that, with a product like that, and then see it for anything other than what I've said.

But thats just for me, and last time I checked I wasn't god, so I don't have the right to tell other people what is and is not cool for them to do. So I have ZERO problems with someone who IS ok with a real diamond.

And no, I wouldn't dump a woman I decided to propose to JUST for that, but at something in our dating period it would come up and it would go into that sort of scale we all make when we decide, is this person right for me.

For me, that issues weighs quite heavily, because this issue and the underlying nature of it (rabid consumerism, over-commercialization, etc. etc.), matters a great deal to me. And while not a complete deal breaker, I don't imagine that the type of woman I would see myself with would not come to understand and agree with me on that.

I think my type of woman wouldn't have to be convinced of it though. I truly think that if I got to that point with a woman, it would probably turn out that she agreed with me.

 

[Balthazar]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Balthazar
I would never, EVER marry you.
In one breath its an insult because its a symbol of an everlasting commitment. But in the next, if you are going to buy some ugly piece of crap then just don't bother.

Nevermind the fact that it looks and IS identical to a "real" diamond.
But you said the key word there...."cheap"....

You know what, I don't care if a synthetic ring cost twice as much.

If the woman Iloved looked at me and said "I know you disagree with Debeers and the history of diamonds and the suffering caused by them. So just don't buy me a ring because I want a diamond and since you dont like it and wont buy me one, I'll buy it myself." she would be COMPLETELY flying in the face of what I believe.

And I can ASSURE you, her not getting a ring from me would NOT be a problem.

It's not a fvcking fashion statement. A melted down sodacan with a cubic zirconia should be ENOUGH if you actually understood what the POINT of that ring was in the first place.

But thats the great thing, I don't have to marry you, and you don't have to have some cheap ugly sythetic stone that DIDN'T come from a company who makes their living of the lives of innocent people.

What's wrong with the option of not buying her any ring at all? Why should anybody have to wear a piece of jewelry they don't like in order to "prove" their love?

How about the option of no engagement or wedding rings at all ? Sorry but expecting somebody to jump up and down for joy at the prospect of wearing a piece of jewelry they don't like everyday for the rest of their lives seems like emotional blackmail to me.If a guy feels that way about diamonds that's his choice, let's just not get any rings whatsoever.

Because its all about the style with you and I'm sorry but to ME thats not what its about.

You shouldn't be jumping up and down about wearing a ring for the rest of your life even if its the most amazing thing ever made. You should be jumping up and down because I've given you a symbol of my love and my commitment.

The whole point here is not that you are a BAD person, you are just the type of person I would never, EVER, marry.

Again, not to be confused with you being a bad person, I am nobody to suggest such a thing.

 

[edmundoab]

reminds me that I got a 0.36 carat VS1,Round Brilliant cut but J color diamond from diamond.com

sigh, 2 paychecks used up by the time I added the pendant and chain.
but really, don't look at it that way.. that people are profiting from the ones who suffer.

coz it only hurts more :laugh:

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Balthazar
Because its all about the style with you and I'm sorry but to ME thats not what its about.

You shouldn't be jumping up and down about wearing a ring for the rest of your life even if its the most amazing thing ever made. You should be jumping up and down because I've given you a symbol of my love and my commitment.

The whole point here is not that you are a BAD person, you are just the type of person I would never, EVER, marry.

Again, not to be confused with you being a bad person, I am nobody to suggest such a thing.

The entire ring thing with women is retarded. You're better of just buying the ring that supports rape and genocide and not thinking about it. Don't try to use reason and rationality to change their mind...the entire ring thing is founded in emotional irrationality anyway, since the only reason most women prefer the diamond engagement ring is because everyone else does.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
True, but not as bad as platinum does. I've had a couple of jewelers tell me that platinum degrades in a matter of a few months.

This is BS. Did you ask these "jewelers" if they sell Platinum mountings? It think the answer would be pretty telling.

Platinum is by far the best material for setting jewelry. It's more durable and not as subject to the stress fractures of gold. It's common knowledge in the industry that a well manufactured platinum setting should outlast gold by a factor of 3-5x. It is harder to polish correctly but when done so is just as shiny as gold and keeps its shine longer. Platinum is also nearly pure while white gold is rarely more than 75% gold.

Why else are the best and most expensive gems set in platinum?

I'd also add that the high shine you see in a white gold setting is really a thin layer of rhodium plating which will wear off after a relatively short period of time. A platinum setting will maintain its shine.

 

[James3shin]

Hey folks, I'm at work so I will be as brief as possible. I am Liluqt's significant other, and was appalled to hear people calling her harsh names that I will not repeat. There is a freaking "name calling" sticky on the first ATOT page for a reason. How are you to judge someone over the internet where tone, sarcasm, humor and such are not conveyed accurately nor often? It's like trying to find your husband/wife in a catalog. Anyways, Liluqt was joking when she made her 2ct. statement and she is the very budget minded one. She is the coupon queen and penny pinching dynamo between the two of us. I am the type to splurge and go all out. Hey, if you're going to do something, do it well I would probably be the one to get her a 2ct. ring and what not without any notice to her. There is nothing wrong with giving nice things to people you care about folks. I'm working hard so that I can enjoy life and make it enjoyable for the people I care about, see I hope to one day to buy my buds $600 vid cards or something for christmas presents, or get liluqt a big diamonds or whatever else she wants for special occasions. Anyways to get back onto topic, yes there are "conflict/blood" diamonds around but apparently they make up 1% or less of the diamonds sold throughout the world. Also check out "Diamonds from Sierra Leone" by Kanye West, good song and good message.

 

[zerocool1]

also diamonds are the perfect example of a monopoly

 

[Balthazar]

Ok, first of all, while I can appreciate the whole "sticking up for your woman" thing, its customary to stick up for them BEFORE the person "calling them harsh names" clarifies what was being said and apologizes for it.

Second. 1% of the diamonds right now are conflict diamonds, BUT, it hasn't always been so low, and the point remains that DeBeers had NO compunction against buying and selling them. The only reason they stopped is because of a UN sanction.

Third. I find it hard to take advice from someone who suggests getting messages about diamonds from a Kanye West song.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: LolaWiz
WOW! I am glad i dont have you guys as husbands.:roll:

So you want your husband to buy you a worthless rock? The only reason they have value is because DeBeers maintains a stranghold on the world diamond market. Other stones are far more rare (truly rare, not artificially rare) such as emeralds, and colored stones are far more interesting to the eye than diamond.

I'm glad a don't have you as my wife, you money grubbing skank.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Anubis
nothing against you liluqt (as I assume you were being sarcastic) however i agree with what he posted, women who demand/ expect nothing less then a huge diamond ring disgust me, almost as much as women that smoke cigs

its is sad that today the deciding factor in one marrying another is the size of the ring he buys for you, hove women become that pathetic and materialistic that love means nothing and all this is important is the small shiny status symbol you can wear on your finger and show off to your friends?

I don't plan on buying a diamond ring for the person i marry ever, I think diamonds are ugly and boring as well as not wanting to support that horrific diamond industry, its just aint gonna happen, and if she has issues with that, you know what then fvck her, the fact that i want to marry her should be more then enough, the ring is meaningless, hell if she truly loved you she would say YES when presented for one of those rings from the vending machine outside Walmart

My dad didn't buy my mom a diamond until their 10 year anniversary or so, he as well thinks they look like cut glass, He got her a Black Star Sapphire for an engagement ring, she loved it and they have been together for nearly 30 years

A women wants to know that after she divorces you, you're going to be able to afford her outlandish spousal support award.

 

[Lola]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: LolaWiz
WOW! I am glad i dont have you guys as husbands.:roll:

So you want your husband to buy you a worthless rock? The only reason they have value is because DeBeers maintains a stranghold on the world diamond market. Other stones are far more rare (truly rare, not artificially rare) such as emeralds, and colored stones are far more interesting to the eye than diamond.

I'm glad a don't have you as my wife, you money grubbing skank.

DO NOT EVER CALL ME THAT AGAIN. EVER. :|
YOU DON'T KNOW ME, YOU HAVE NO IDEA MY VALUES OR WHO I AM. DROP DEAD YOU WORTHLESS RAT. :|

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Anubis
nothing against you liluqt (as I assume you were being sarcastic) however i agree with what he posted, women who demand/ expect nothing less then a huge diamond ring disgust me, almost as much as women that smoke cigs

its is sad that today the deciding factor in one marrying another is the size of the ring he buys for you, hove women become that pathetic and materialistic that love means nothing and all this is important is the small shiny status symbol you can wear on your finger and show off to your friends?

I don't plan on buying a diamond ring for the person i marry ever, I think diamonds are ugly and boring as well as not wanting to support that horrific diamond industry, its just aint gonna happen, and if she has issues with that, you know what then fvck her, the fact that i want to marry her should be more then enough, the ring is meaningless, hell if she truly loved you she would say YES when presented for one of those rings from the vending machine outside Walmart

My dad didn't buy my mom a diamond until their 10 year anniversary or so, he as well thinks they look like cut glass, He got her a Black Star Sapphire for an engagement ring, she loved it and they have been together for nearly 30 years

A women wants to know that after she divorces you, you're going to be able to afford her outlandish spousal support award.

another reason why i dont see myself getting married

 

[akubi]

uh oh, the thread just got heated up :shocked: