DHL - union busters

[George P Burdell]

Link to source???

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

yup, and how quickly they all have forgotten that without Unions there would be no OSHA, no mimumum wage, no employer-provided health care
...no lunch break, no coffee breaks.


There are good unions and bad, just like anything in the world. And much like the Masons, the stories are often exaggerated and unsubstantiated.

:thumbsup:

Excellent point, but you are just wasting your time trying to defend unions on this board.

It's sad that people fail to get all the facts, however it is quite common around here...🙁

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

yup, and how quickly they all have forgotten that without Unions there would be no OSHA, no mimumum wage, no employer-provided health care
...no lunch break, no coffee breaks.


There are good unions and bad, just like anything in the world. And much like the Masons, the stories are often exaggerated and unsubstantiated.

:thumbsup:

Excellent point, but you are just wasting your time trying to defend unions on this board.

It's sad that people fail to get all the facts, however it is quite common around here...🙁

yup. and they'll all assume I'm union, but I actually am MANAGEMENT over union employees.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

yup, and how quickly they all have forgotten that without Unions there would be no OSHA, no mimumum wage, no employer-provided health care
...no lunch break, no coffee breaks.


There are good unions and bad, just like anything in the world. And much like the Masons, the stories are often exaggerated and unsubstantiated.

:thumbsup:

Excellent point, but you are just wasting your time trying to defend unions on this board.

It's sad that people fail to get all the facts, however it is quite common around here...🙁

Yup. People all like to act like conservative hardasses on here.

 

[Wuffsunie]

Originally posted by: Amused
End socialism and this wont be a problem. I LOVE how people blame companies for not giving benefits rather than the government for giving them in this argument.

BTW, I pay for it either way, be it through taxes, or the increase of cost for goods and services. Your point is moot.

Yes, but wouldn't you rather have the choice to pay it through increased cost of goods? In that case you can always still go with the lowest bidder.

With taxes, the government gives you no choice in whether or not you want to pay them. You're paying for the health care of someone who has done nothing to earn your money that way.

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

yup. and they'll all assume I'm union, but I actually am MANAGEMENT over union employees.

I worked for a few non union shops before getting into my union.

In the building trades, working non union is just a dead end. For the most part, they have very little training. Workers have no conditions and earn a much lower wage.

It really is sad to see all the misinformation...

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: Wuffsunie

Originally posted by: Amused
End socialism and this wont be a problem. I LOVE how people blame companies for not giving benefits rather than the government for giving them in this argument.

BTW, I pay for it either way, be it through taxes, or the increase of cost for goods and services. Your point is moot.

Yes, but wouldn't you rather have the choice to pay it through increased cost of goods? In that case you can always still go with the lowest bidder.

With taxes, the government gives you no choice in whether or not you want to pay them. You're paying for the health care of someone who has done nothing to earn your money that way.

His name is Amused...not Logical.

 

[randym431]

Well I'll shock you. I'm really NOT pro union. I believe a good company will reward you with good benefits and wages to good workers. But sadly too many huge companies are taking the easy way out.
The question, should a company offer benefits like health care? Well, in America, thats the way it is...period. Is it the right way to go? Well, its been that way so far in our history. Seems our leaders don?t want to go the national insurance route, so this company based insurance is the way it is. Pulling the rug out from under the millions on this system would be disastrous without some system to take its place.
So we have to live with it the way it is. In America today, where would you get health insurance if not from you employer/company? The tooth fairy?
Without that, this would be like a 3rd world country, actually worse than a 3rd world country. The very rich would be healthy. The middle class would...???

So to me, its just plain un-American for a company as big as DHL or Wal-mart to try to get out of the benefits thing.

 

[AaronB]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: randym431
I posted added this in another post by someone, but think its worthy of its own posting.

Well just a short time ago I found out DHL is trying, and uses practices for union busting. DHL actually hires full time people from 'temp" agencies. UPS and Fedex are union. DHL is not. If and when the DHL full time "temps" try to unionize, DHL simply changes to a different "temp" company hiring new "temps" and laying off current 'temps". DHL has changed temp agencies 3 times in order to union bust. And naturally, these full time "temps" work for min wage with NO benefits. DHL... does anyone really want to use them?

Wow, guess I won't be using DHL anymore.

That's alright. I'll ship with them more often now to make up for the loss of your business.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: Wuffsunie

Originally posted by: Amused
End socialism and this wont be a problem. I LOVE how people blame companies for not giving benefits rather than the government for giving them in this argument.

BTW, I pay for it either way, be it through taxes, or the increase of cost for goods and services. Your point is moot.

Yes, but wouldn't you rather have the choice to pay it through increased cost of goods? In that case you can always still go with the lowest bidder.

With taxes, the government gives you no choice in whether or not you want to pay them. You're paying for the health care of someone who has done nothing to earn your money that way.

His name is Amused...not Logical.

There is nothing logical about problem-reaction-solution. In fact, it's a form of the logical fallacy known as Begging the Question.

 

[intogamer]

DHL is full of contracts
Because it is more of a spread out worldwide shipper
In which, they have contractors fill the in the gaps... and why not pick up some workers from temp agencies?

To sum it all... DHL is not completely stablized in the US

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Amused
Actually, I'm now more inclined to use them. Thanks for the heads up.

BTW a company should be able to fire anyone for any reason. Making union members a protected class is absurd.

Exactly my sentiments. :thumbsup:

 

[Conky]

Unions suck but any company that uses temps as a way to staff more than a small percentage of their employees needs to be burned to the ground.

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: randym431[
In America today, where would you get health insurance if not from you employer/company? The tooth fairy?
Without that, this would be like a 3rd world country, actually worse than a 3rd world country. The very rich would be healthy. The middle class would...???

Blue Cross? Kaiser?
I pay for mine and I'm barely "middle class".

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: DVK916
thanks i will be sure to use DHL more often.

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

yup. and they'll all assume I'm union, but I actually am MANAGEMENT over union employees.

I worked for a few non union shops before getting into my union.

In the building trades, working non union is just a dead end. For the most part, they have very little training. Workers have no conditions and earn a much lower wage.

It really is sad to see all the misinformation...

Where is this? Sounds like a symptom of unions to me.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

yup. and they'll all assume I'm union, but I actually am MANAGEMENT over union employees.

I worked for a few non union shops before getting into my union.

In the building trades, working non union is just a dead end. For the most part, they have very little training. Workers have no conditions and earn a much lower wage.

It really is sad to see all the misinformation...

Where is this? Sounds like a symptom of unions to me.

What he says is true. In the Building trades the most skilled workers are Union as the Unions attract them with it's training, higher wages and benefit packages.

 

[jkersenbr]

Maybe there's a reason to use DHL after all!

 

[Viper GTS]

Good for them.

WalMart is another one that has my utmost respect for their union approach.

Want to unionize? Fine, we don't have a store there anymore.

Gotta love companies that are big enough and ballsy enough to pull that.

Viper GTS

 

[mattocs]

From a business standpoint, unions are horrid...and I understand that.

From being a poor worker standpoint, they can be very benficial.


DHL is just doing what they gotta do to keep ahead. UPS drivers can make upward of 100k a year...which is rediculous for what they do. $35k would be about right for what they do.

 

[ArmchairAthlete]

Originally posted by: randym431
Well consider this friends...
So you enjoy paying for DHL workers health care??? Like wal-mart, DHL does an even better job at passing "their" health care cost onto YOU. DHL, no benefits, no insurance, min wage. So who do you think pays when a DHL worker is hurt or their family needs a doc, the tooth fairy? Its you. Apparently you enjoy this practice? And when your company comes to you and says, "hey guy, we're dropping your company insurance. Too costly". Guess you?ll just say, ?wow, I?m all for that!?.

I'd bet most of you anti union and DHL pro folk currently have company insurance AND make more than min wage AND have job security. Are you in danger of being laid off at a whim? Bet not... But then again, look behind you, your own company may use these practices in the near future. Good luck!

And you aren't when you ship with someone else? Lol.

Doubt our gov will change it but they could end the free ride.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: OBW96
From a business standpoint, unions are horrid...and I understand that.

From being a poor worker standpoint, they can be very benficial.


DHL is just doing what they gotta do to keep ahead. UPS drivers can make upward of 100k a year...which is rediculous for what they do. $35k would be about right for what they do.

You seem to know what UPS drivers do, please tell us the specifics. I see them on occasion and they are always running....

 

[GTaudiophile]

GM is the perfect example of what happens when unions gain control. Nuff said.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Walmart is the perfect example of what happens when unions gain no control. Nuff said.

fixed

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: randym431
Well consider this friends...
So you enjoy paying for DHL workers health care??? Like wal-mart, DHL does an even better job at passing "their" health care cost onto YOU. DHL, no benefits, no insurance, min wage. So who do you think pays when a DHL worker is hurt or their family needs a doc, the tooth fairy? Its you. Apparently you enjoy this practice? And when your company comes to you and says, "hey guy, we're dropping your company insurance. Too costly". Guess you?ll just say, ?wow, I?m all for that!?.

I'd bet most of you anti union and DHL pro folk currently have company insurance AND make more than min wage AND have job security. Are you in danger of being laid off at a whim? Bet not... But then again, look behind you, your own company may use these practices in the near future. Good luck!

Your thinking is all wrong here. DHL has the right to run their company the way they see fit. As long as they are going by the law...there's nothing wrong with it.

You should blame the people who work there and are trying to FORCE DHL's hand to give them these luxuries. They are called BENEFITS for a reason. They are not a given. These employees applied for the job knowing exactly what they were getting, or not in this case. How is this DHL's fault? Hey idiot, go to another company or don't apply if you need benefits! Some people don't because their spouses have them or they just don't want them. It comes out of their paycheck ultimately anyways. Some people simply don't want or care about that.

If my company said they were going to drop company insurance..guess what? I'd CHANGE FREAKING JOBS. Wow, how hard is that. The company has to do what they have to do. They run their own business. I can either choose to believe in it, or go somewhere else.

Unions on the other hand try to force a company's hand and squeeze out as much as possible till the company is hurting. So who really is worse?