Development on Clinton Email Probe?

[emperus]

The Comey transcript: https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...lary-clintons-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

For those demanding that people eat crow for suggesting her activities were illegal:


For those alleging that there is no evidence that her server was hacked and even that her email was likely more secure than States':

So, how does all that prove it was illegal? Just commence eating crow.

 

[ivwshane]

Of course no ones going to prosecute a Clinton. You want to die of a mysterious "suicide"?

Yes, let the butthurt flow! But don't cry too much now, save some tears for November😉

 

[sportage]

Just face it.
Hillary IS right up there with the blessed Mother Mary.
Hillary is Sainted.
God watches out for Hillary.
And I predict before November 7th, election day, that Hillary will indeed walk on water, "AND" heal at least one blind republican.
Father-Son And Hillary C.
And they all said, AMEN.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

There was no citation of the claim. There still hasn't been despite repeated requests. It is becoming more clear with every post that the accuser has no intention of acting in anything resembling good will, as such I feel no obligation to continue responding until the good faith effort of a citation is provided.

Good faith discussion isn't fskimospy's strong suit....just saying.

 

[Knowing]

Considering that the state department computers were hacked and hers were not, I'd say any incompetence in handling classified material you are whining about are negated by her competence in keeping that material safe!

With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.

Emphasis added.

 

[JSt0rm]

hillary is actually a lizard alien that hates real tru™ patriots i.e. conservatives. She used her brain manipulations on the fbi to make it so they wont charge her with anything. Only Tru™ conservatives have the power to block her special brain waves.

 

[sportage]

Seriously... I'm really surprised "THIS" is what republicans BET EVERYTHING upon to win them this election.
WOW!!! Simply WOW!!!

Watching all the reactions from republican leaders over this, it is obvious the republican establishment bet the farm on this one issue alone.
Fully believing THIS ONE ISSUE would bring down Hillary Clinton.

And you know what???? IT DIDN"T.

So whats next?
Well, reality sets in for republicans, more so now, that they the republican party really really did enable Donald Trump to be THEIR GUY.
Oh Oh, the humanity.

You know what Friday needs to be?
We need this Friday to be the officially HUG A REPUBLICAN DAY.
Because after this FBI conclusion, and the realization for republicans that they are stuck with Donald Trump, every republican needs a hug.
So lets do that. A great BIG hug. On Friday....

 

[werepossum]

So to sum it all up, Hillary being too careless or stupid translates into 'no intent'. Fine and dandy. So, this November we have a choice between a massively boorish dbag and a total incompetent can't grasp the notion that she should stay on the side obvious compliance with law vs pushing the line. We are so f*cked as a nation.

That's the true beauty of democracy: We get the leaders we deserve.

Of course no ones going to prosecute a Clinton. You want to die of a mysterious "suicide"?

lol Arkanside - the act of committing suicide by shooting oneself behind the ear with a rifle. I'd forgotten those.

So, how does all that prove it was illegal? Just commence eating crow.

PROVING it is illegal requires a trial. However, its illegality can easily be seen by any who care to look.

As far as eating crow, I have always maintained that she would never be indicted, even under a President Trump or President Cruz.

 

[Phynaz]

See the announcement by Paul Ryan after the FBI released NO CHARGES?

Ryan statement: "while I respect the FBI, this decision is ridiculous."

For those that need translation for what Ryan meant, Ryan actually meant:
WHILE I RESPECT THE FBI, THEY DROPPED THE BALL.
SO....... NOW MY REPUBLICAN CONGRESS WILL CONDUCT OUR OWN INVESTIGATION.
WE WILL HAVE THE LAST WORD CONCERNING CHARGES OR NO CHARGES.
NATURALLY, WE WILL FIND CHARGES.

And THAt is how it goes.
They never see things but through their twisted corrupt republican vision. Or envisions.
Nuff said?

Just courious, how many threads to plan on re-posting this in?

 

[sportage]

12. 😉

Face it. Its not me. Republicans all over the news crying in their soup.
Apparently this is the death for them. Their death.
Anyone have an empty box?

 

[First]

The Comey transcript: https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...lary-clintons-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

For those demanding that people eat crow for suggesting her activities were illegal:


For those alleging that there is no evidence that her server was hacked and even that her email was likely more secure than States':

Ah, now it's much clearer why you're so confused; you must not know that the State Department email system isn't supposed to store those same classified emails either, only a system built specifically for classified emails is supposed to contain them in the first place. Now I see why you've been confused this whole time, you thought had she used a State Department email system that it would been legally substantially better than handling those classified emails on her private server. How quaint.

 

[First]

In terms of the hacks, Comey absolutely has to say that and it's not an indictment of her personal server any more than it would be for a State Department email system we know with 100% certainty was hacked in 2014 for many months. Basically, Comey is stating something very obvious to any IT security professional, that there's no way to prove it one way or the other that a hack occurred. It is absolutely true.

 

[shady28]

You can't seriously believe this. How is a home PC running a Home version of Windows more secure than an Exchange server running a (presumably) hardened Windows Server software?

Yes, because it's true. Running your own email server, web site, web forum, etc. requires more competent security than a home PC typically meaning active security measures (monitoring). I can't imagine why you would think otherwise outside of complete ignorance.

 

[Jhhnn]

So to sum it all up, Hillary being too careless or stupid translates into 'no intent'. Fine and dandy. So, this November we have a choice between a massively boorish dbag and a total incompetent can't grasp the notion that she should stay on the side obvious compliance with law vs pushing the line. We are so f*cked as a nation.

Or maybe it's been a learning experience in a lot of ways. I'm sure Hillary & crew will be a lot more observant of protocols in the White House than they were at State, a good thing.

At the same time, maybe some of the Birther/Benghazi believers will realize that they've been chumps for puffed up scandal, over and over again.

Notice the date, 6 months ago-

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/f...ould-face-criminal-indictment/article/2579620

I'm too lazy to dig out the pertinent thread but it was a doozy.

 

[ivwshane]

Emphasis added.

So speculation is equal to fact? Got it. Now I see what your problem is.

 

[Perknose]

To warrant a criminal charge, Mr. Comey said, there had to be evidence that Mrs. Clinton intentionally sent or received classified information — something that the F.B.I. did not find.

However, its illegality can easily be seen by any who care to look.

Well, reality sets in for republicans...

Were it but so! 😛

 

[shady28]

Straw man or just stupid? Which are you? Here's what I said:

Each one of the others knowingly purloined classified info from a "secure server" to their home computers.

Hilary Clinton did no such thing. Got that?

First of all, you don't know that, you're trying to re-write the narrative. Hillary's emails which are public show a pattern when articles, memos, and other documents are "cut and pasted" into an email text.

So are you now going to say "cut and paste" the contents of classified documents into an email is different from taking the document itself?

And even if you did "know" what was in those documents, does that matter? Some of the people prosecuted did nothing more than take notes on classified conversations or take manuals on classified systems home to study, presumably for work. That would be how military types get nailed.

Got that?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

In terms of the hacks, Comey absolutely has to say that and it's not an indictment of her personal server any more than it would be for a State Department email system we know with 100% certainty was hacked in 2014 for many months. Basically, Comey is stating something very obvious to any IT security professional, that there's no way to prove it one way or the other that a hack occurred. It is absolutely true.

It really wasn't appropriate for him to speculate on that or add his personal commentary on how "irresponsible" it may have been. The facts can speak for themselves, Comey was just giving his party soundbites.

 

[Knowing]

So speculation is equal to fact? Got it. Now I see what your problem is.

You said her server wasn't hacked, the FBI said that it was widely known she had one and that state actors probably wouldn't leave evidence while she engaged in risky infosec practices.

Given the circumstances it is illogical to state that her server wasn't hacked, because if it was us we'd have that box owned in no time flat.

 

[First]

Yes, because it's true. Running your own email server, web site, web forum, etc. requires more competent security than a home PC typically meaning active security measures (monitoring). I can't imagine why you would think otherwise outside of complete ignorance.

Huh? You wrote words, jumbled them together and yet they still make no sense, lol.

Why is hardened Windows Server software, irrespective of the hardware, equal to or less secure than Windows Home software?

 

[shady28]

Huh? You wrote words, jumbled them together and yet they still make no sense, lol.

Why is hardened Windows Server software, irrespective of the hardware, equal to or less secure than Windows Home software?

That's not what I said.

What I said was running an email server is inherently less secure than running a home PC. Understand?


EDIT :

Seriously I thought this was self-evident.

If you want to educate yourself, look here as a starter : http://www.geekwire.com/2015/why-you-shouldnt-try-to-host-your-own-email/

There are hundreds more places you could go. If you are in any way high profile, you shouldn't be running your own servers without a dedicated security administrator. The FBI Director alluded to this by noting that services like gmail are likely more secure than what Hillary was doing.

The Challenges of Securing Your Email
While the tools and capabilities have improved in the past decade, the truth is that you have to be a highly skilled system administrator to properly manage your email in a secure manner — even if you’re not the senior diplomat for the United States.

 

[IBMer]

BREAKING NEWS:

Management doesn't know how IT actually works and makes mistakes.

More at 11

 

[Perknose]

First of all, you don't know that, you're trying to re-write the narrative. Hillary's emails which are public show a pattern when articles, memos, and other documents are "cut and pasted" into an email text.

So are you now going to say "cut and paste" the contents of classified documents into an email is different from taking the document itself?

And even if you did "know" what was in those documents, does that matter? Some of the people prosecuted did nothing more than take notes on classified conversations or take manuals on classified systems home to study, presumably for work. That would be how military types get nailed.

Got that?

You're the one trying to "re-write the narrative" so you can somehow support your hysterical assertion the Republican FBI Director Comey LIED.

In EACH of the cases you put forth, the actors DOWNLOADED TOP SECRET INFO FROM a classified server TO their personal laptops and took it home.

They INTENTIONALLY PURLOINED CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS.

Hilary Clinton DID NO SUCH THING.

Read FBI Director Comey's lips and see if, this time, you can take in this KEY difference:

To warrant a criminal charge, Mr. Comey said, there had to be evidence that Mrs. Clinton intentionally sent or received classified information — something that the F.B.I. did not find.

No matter how you try and try to re-frame your yip-yap assertion that the cases are the same and that somehow Comey lied, the key difference was spelled right out for you.

 

[Artdeco]

I'll settle for the FBI calling her "extremely careless" and voicing concerns she used the server(s) that were likely hacked 🙂

 

[First]

It really wasn't appropriate for him to speculate on that or add his personal commentary on how "irresponsible" it may have been. The facts can speak for themselves, Comey was just giving his party soundbites.

I think Comey was within his rights to make such a statement. I'm glad it wasn't blatantly clear her server was hacked, which means it's certainly possible it wasn't. Comey could have said that too, and he would have been accurate.