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Deutsche Bank confirms it has Trump's tax returns...and will release them

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Greenman said:
I'm to believe that a rich Russian guy promised a German bank he would pay back Trumps loan if Trump didn't? Right, because that happens all the time.

If this happened, it was part of a business transaction involving more than just a loan.
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You don't have to believe it--it's been reported for years now, even out of the Jr's own mouth:

--Trump Inc can't get a loan in the US. They've been banned for over a decade now.
--DB is the only financial institute that will grant any kind of loan to them.
--Jr admitted, in public, that pretty much all of their money comes out of Russia.
--DB has already been thoroughly litigated on their known history of shady underwriting and loan-making with...yep, Russian oligarchs and criminals (basically the same thing)

Again, you don't have to "believe" things that have been thoroughly reported for years now. We're well past debating the established facts. ...OK, most people are.
 
IRS must be run by a shitload of frick'in idiots seeing as if it's taking more than 2 1/2 years now for Trump's tax papers to be audited. I mean, Trump did say he'd release them after the audit right?

And you know, I trust the guy and take him for his word, so it's the only thing that makes sense to me. /s
 
Greenman said:
Because the Russian guy knew Trump was going to be elected even though every single poll showed Hillary winning?
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Co-signing a loan is a pretty low risk way to buy an asset, even as just a business contact they can use. Mattering on when these loans were made it could be that they knew at the very minimum he was going to get a lot of national attention and be in the GOP debates which could be turned to their favor. It hardly matters if they thought they were getting a president or just a influential public figure, because he is now President. If they thought they were just buying a real estate developer then they got the bargain of the century, huh? Doesn't make him any less bought.


I understand the need to vilify someone you don't like, and Trump is about as unlikable as they get, but this is all rumor. As a rule banks don't discuss loans with the media, the people getting the loans don't like it.
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As of right now, it is. So consider this idle speculation. But as this is part of an official investigation we should know more before the election. It is at least worth speculating about. Just like you find all the stuff about Uranium One worth speculating about.
 
tweaker2 said:
IRS must be run by a shitload of frick'in idiots seeing as if it's taking more than 2 1/2 years now for Trump's tax papers to be audited. I mean, Trump did say he'd release them after the audit right?

And you know, I trust the guy and take him for his word, so it's the only thing that makes sense to me. /s
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Actually, a President's tax returns are always being audited. It is a general rule of the IRS that the President's returns are basically under constant audit.
 
Aside from the basic Trump reaction to defend himself against all perceived attacks, ISTM his reasoning for not wanting his tax returns available probably are:

It will show that he is not a rich as he proclaims.

It will open him up to accusations of fraud. The game for him is to low ball on taxes, and to overstate when getting loans. Either way he's gaming/cheating/lying, and NY AG's would be very interested to know just when and how.

Deutsche Bank has already been identified as a means of Russian money laundering.

I still don't see anything like this will make the Republicans disavow him, because they are scared shitless of his base. And also, because some prominent Republicans and Republican causes are probably in the same position. Russia didn't just corrupt a campaign; it corrupted a party.

We already do have a committee, which includes a wide variety of people across the country, who vets presidential candidates in great detail and determines whether they're fit to hold office. And in 2016, 62,984,828 members of that committee decided that he was fit
 
glenn1 said:
For some reason the left seems to think that if the public knew Trump was only worth $300mm instead of $100B or something, they'll refuse to vote for him in 2020. Or that there will be a line item on his 1040 form saying "tax deductible bribe from Vladimir Putin, $10mm."

Should Trump have released his tax returns long ago? Of course. Is there going to be something in there which will be straightforward rationale to impeach or cause him to lose the election, no. Do I care if they're released and he's embarrassed, likewise no. This reminds me of the Bill Clinton days and right wing dipshits wanted to release Bubba's medical files because they were sure he had an STD and that would be what caused him to lose the election. It was stupid then, and it's likewise stupid now.
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Being vulnerable to bribery and/or extortion from a hostile foreign adversary is definitely the same as having the clap or whatever.
 
zinfamous said:
so, what are you bitching about, then? Should we see that information or not?

Ignore the reasons for which you think other people demand them. If you agree that it is important to know these things, then I don't see any reason for arguing here.
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Reread my posts. I'm not bitching and I'm fine that his returns are being made public (he should have done it himself long ago). My point is that IMHO there will be nothing in the release that either kills outright or mortally wounds his presidency or reelection chances. Any impact would be swamped within the ocean of other disclosures about him and his own gaffes and incompetence anyway.
 
SMOGZINN said:
Actually, a President's tax returns are always being audited. It is a general rule of the IRS that the President's returns are basically under constant audit.
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I wonder if Trump knew that when he said what he said. Looks to be a win/win for him in this regard.

Seems as if Trump's fate lay in the hands of the IRS's ability to do the job they're assigned to accomplish. Do you know if the IRS is obligated to inform the proper enforcement agencies of any wrongdoing they find in Trump's tax doc's, or if the IRS has the ability to enforce tax law on their own authority and volition?

I ask this in order to get a clearer picture of how the IRS has handled Trump's tax situation and what it's obligations are to the public trust in this specific instance.
 
glenn1 said:
Reread my posts. I'm not bitching and I'm fine that his returns are being made public (he should have done it himself long ago). My point is that IMHO there will be nothing in the release that either kills outright or mortally wounds his presidency or reelection chances. Any impact would be swamped within the ocean of other disclosures about him and his own gaffes and incompetence anyway.
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I get what you are saying and I kind of agree. Real question is if this was public knowledge in 2016 could it have made the difference of several thousand votes in a couple of States?
 
tweaker2 said:
Do you know if the IRS is obligated to inform the proper enforcement agencies of any wrongdoing they find in Trump's tax doc's,
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No, they are not. The IRS audits tax returns for compliance to tax law only. They would not care if he had a line item on his tax return for 'hookers and blow' as long as it followed applicable tax law (I can't imagine how it would, but that is just an example).

or if the IRS has the ability to enforce tax law on their own authority and volition?
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They are. The IRS has it's own court system for tax fraud even. But in the case of a public official the first step would be to report it to the commissioner of the IRS, who would then have to decide what to do about it.
 
glenn1 said:
Again if you stopped requiring positive affirmation about your team loyalties all the time this would be easier. I don't support Trump, never have, didn't vote for him, would be happy if he was no longer POTUS, and plan to vote Buttigieg in the Dem primaries in 2020. I swear you guys require a ritualistic denunciation of Trump in every post before you turn your brains on and it's fucking annoying.

AND with all the above being said, I repeat what I said in my post - I highly doubt there's anything in the DB disclosures that will even move the needle in terms of either him getting impeached or re-elected. *Perhaps* there will be something revealed which mildly embarrasses him for a news cycle or two (if he's capable of being embarrassed) but even that's probably unlikely.

If after the years of him saying the most incredibly outrageous/stupid/inflammatory things and acting like a general dumbass before and after his election, you want to believe that his tax returns are going to be what finally does him in, then have at that belief. Personally I think that a man who survived "grab 'em by the pussy," and "nuke the hurricane," and every other stupid thing he's done won't even be inconvenienced in his Presidency or reelection by his tax returns.
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In terms of waging war, I believe the notion is death by a thousand cuts.

Every bit can help with independents, or suppress his own loyalists.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
You forget. Only Trump is the one playing eleventy billion dimensional chess.
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For the benefit of certain Trump's supporters out there in Trump's Never Never Land who would have the remote yet infinitely possible chance of perusing your post, I suggest you edit your spelling of "eleventy" by replacing it with "eleventeen". In this way they can understand it in a way that's very familiar to them and realize that it's a quantity you're referring to and not some high faloot'in geek speak computer forum entrepreneurial jargon that never makes any sense to them.
 
tweaker2 said:
For the benefit of certain Trump's supporters out there in Trump's Never Never Land who would have the remote yet infinitely possible chance of perusing your post, I suggest you edit your spelling of "eleventy" by replacing it with "eleventeen". In this way they can understand it in a way that's very familiar to them and realize that it's a quantity you're referring to and not some high faloot'in geek speak computer forum entrepreneurial jargon that never makes any sense to them.
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It will be a cold day in HELL before I ever make that change!!!

 
compuwiz1 said:
I would be concerned and alarmed, I suppose, if I got my news from places like the Raw Story and Dailykos and believed it, like so many morons do.
So, what if a Russian oligarch did cosign for Trump or the Trump organization before he became president...was it illegal?
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JSt0rm said:
@compuwiz1 take your retarded brain and go to stormfront or some over 65 forum for boomers to pass around shitty alt-white memes.
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I see the logic retardants are in attack mode. Maybe you should check to see if the story is true about who's tax returns DB has and what they are doing with them?
 
brandonbull said:
I see the logic retardants are in attack mode. Maybe you should check to see if the story is true about who's tax returns DB has and what they are doing with them?
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This information comes from a filing the bank made yesterday with the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. It is about as real as any information gets.
 
glenn1 said:
Reread my posts. I'm not bitching and I'm fine that his returns are being made public (he should have done it himself long ago). My point is that IMHO there will be nothing in the release that either kills outright or mortally wounds his presidency or reelection chances. Any impact would be swamped within the ocean of other disclosures about him and his own gaffes and incompetence anyway.
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Some food for thought: When the New York Times published their expose on how the Trumps used illegal tax dodges to inherit a ton more wealth from their father than they claimed, Trump's sister resigned as a federal judge in order to prevent an investigation (investigation not needed as long as she's off the bench.) The only difference between her and Trump? She wasn't shielded by Executive Privilege.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html
 
brandonbull said:
I see the logic retardants are in attack mode. Maybe you should check to see if the story is true about who's tax returns DB has and what they are doing with them?
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Some names were conveniently redacted, but you can guess who they're referring to when they mention "immediate family".
 
Omg its Hillarys tax returns and they show Epstein cosigning for a loan to start a pedo ring? Did I get that right Brando plants crave you?
 
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