Deutsche Bank confirms it has Trump's tax returns...and will release them

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Vic

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Obviously, the IRS is not allowed to comment on any taxpayer's returns unless they taking legal action that taxpayer. And as long that taxpayer paid their taxes, the IRS won't be taking legal action against them.

Yaknow, I am just certain that the Useful Idiots here won't say a word when a future Democratic President decides not to make appropriate financial disclosure, even when there is the credible appearance of conflicts of interest and the use of public office for personal gain.
 
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trenchfoot

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I get the giggles every time I think about how the Repubs would treat Trump if he were a Democrat. Matter-o-fact he'd have been impeached a long time ago with McConnell, Graham, Hannity and Carlson leading the charge.
 
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ivwshane

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I would be concerned and alarmed, I suppose, if I got my news from places like the Raw Story and Dailykos and believed it, like so many morons do.
So, what if a Russian oligarch did cosign for Trump or the Trump organization before he became president...was it illegal?

God damn you are fucking retarded. It doesn't matter what the source is as you've already began to rationalize why it's not a big deal. I wonder what your stance was when the right wing was pushing the Clinton/Russia uranium conspiracy.

Oh, you were right there parroting it!

 

Moonbeam

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You're stupid as fuck if you actually believe this.
My immediate reaction was to look for some other explanation for why he would say what he did. I have a hard time crediting that anybody could be that stupid. But then, maybe I'm the dumb one because I can't think of another reason that would be less stupid.
 

Moonbeam

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I would be concerned and alarmed, I suppose, if I got my news from places like the Raw Story and Dailykos and believed it, like so many morons do.
So, what if a Russian oligarch did cosign for Trump or the Trump organization before he became president...was it illegal?
Think: cosigned by muslims from kenya. It will clear your mind
 

fskimospy

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Well, my darned logical side of my brain just had to kick in. If there were any bombshells in his tax returns, wouldn't the IRS have been on him like stink on shit? Irregularities trigger audits, but those aren't the only things that do. Sometimes people are just unlucky when it comes to getting audited, others just make so much money that it's pretty certain they get audited. So many questions; do we get Trump's personal returns, or the business returns? I'm 99% certain that a businessman like Trump has the loans taken out by the corporation. So a Russian oligarch co signed, which is pretty strange. Why would Deutsche bank make such a loan? Wouldn't that come under the scrutiny of regulators somewhere. Also, there are a lot of dumb asses out there that think this is a Russian bank. It's a German bank. Just not sure what the OP has posted is accurate, as there was no linky posted. So, is this news from a propaganda site?

I'm all for the release of his tax returns, if legally required to do so, for valid purposes. If we head down that road, just because political opponents demand it, because reasons, this has bad potential and could be a slippery slope. Once this is a precedent, nobody is safe. There needs to be a new law in place that says all candidates running for office are required to submit several years of tax returns. I say 5 years minimum. So far it has been voluntary. They are either required, or they're not required. Bottom line is, if Trump didn't offer tax returns, it's because he didn't have to, because it was not legally required. So, if we want that changed, as the old saying goes; "there ought to be a law."

And OP needs to post a link to authenticate claims.

If irregularities meant the IRS would be all over him Paul Manafort would have been in prison years ago so clearly not.
 
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fskimospy

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I would be concerned and alarmed, I suppose, if I got my news from places like the Raw Story and Dailykos and believed it, like so many morons do.
So, what if a Russian oligarch did cosign for Trump or the Trump organization before he became president...was it illegal?

At a minimum it would mean that Trump has lied for several years about his close, personal business dealings with, and financial dependence on, a close associate of Vladimir Putin, the individual we know ordered a hostile foreign power to commit crimes to help Trump get elected.

If it’s true that an oligarch did co-sign one of these loans and Trump never told anyone there’s no telling how far this will go.
 

fskimospy

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Since you're a nobody then you're safe, right? I know I am.

So if I understand the argument it is: ‘the only way the tax information of Americans can be safe is if Congress is prohibited from determining if people are bribing the president’?
 

MooseNSquirrel

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Well, my darned logical side of my brain just had to kick in. If there were any bombshells in his tax returns, wouldn't the IRS have been on him like stink on shit? Irregularities trigger audits, but those aren't the only things that do. Sometimes people are just unlucky when it comes to getting audited, others just make so much money that it's pretty certain they get audited. So many questions; do we get Trump's personal returns, or the business returns? I'm 99% certain that a businessman like Trump has the loans taken out by the corporation. So a Russian oligarch co signed, which is pretty strange. Why would Deutsche bank make such a loan? Wouldn't that come under the scrutiny of regulators somewhere. Also, there are a lot of dumb asses out there that think this is a Russian bank. It's a German bank. Just not sure what the OP has posted is accurate, as there was no linky posted. So, is this news from a propaganda site?

I'm all for the release of his tax returns, if legally required to do so, for valid purposes. If we head down that road, just because political opponents demand it, because reasons, this has bad potential and could be a slippery slope. Once this is a precedent, nobody is safe. There needs to be a new law in place that says all candidates running for office are required to submit several years of tax returns. I say 5 years minimum. So far it has been voluntary. They are either required, or they're not required. Bottom line is, if Trump didn't offer tax returns, it's because he didn't have to, because it was not legally required. So, if we want that changed, as the old saying goes; "there ought to be a law."

And OP needs to post a link to authenticate claims.

Translation - I don't believe the American people should know whether or not their (future) President is beholden to 3rd parties which will likely introduce conflicts of interest and influence their decision making.

We've already seen it with Trump and his efforts to enrich himself and his progeny off the backs of his Presidency and taxpayer dollars.
 

Thump553

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I wouldn't get your hopes up. It'll probably be like last time, where we get just the 2 pages of some old 1040's so that the crowd that pays $500 to H&R Block to do their W-2 income/standard deduction returns can call it a nothingburger.

Both personally and professionally I've been involved in probably hundreds of bank loans and (except for penny ante stuff like small home equity loans) and I can't think of a single one where the lender didn't ask for one or more tax returns (and/or get tax transcripts directly from the IRS) and I certainly can never recall one where they would accept anything less than the full tax return. I can't imagine a lender using acceptable banking practices treating nine figure loans any differently.

To me the real intriguing thing-IF true-would be if the loans were co-signed by one or more Russians. That would be extremely damning-it's certainly not like daddy cosigning your car loan.
 
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SlowSpyder

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Even more fun to watch SnowTrumpians claim every fact is a rumor. Because feelings and white people.

There you go again, injecting race into everything.

Nikola Tesla once said, “If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”

It can also be said, if you want to find the secrets of liberals, think in terms or race, victimization, and making excuses.
 

glenn1

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They issued him a loaned signed by Russian oligarchs. That doesn’t concern you in the least given his co duct towards Russia since he’s been in office?

Again if you stopped requiring positive affirmation about your team loyalties all the time this would be easier. I don't support Trump, never have, didn't vote for him, would be happy if he was no longer POTUS, and plan to vote Buttigieg in the Dem primaries in 2020. I swear you guys require a ritualistic denunciation of Trump in every post before you turn your brains on and it's fucking annoying.

AND with all the above being said, I repeat what I said in my post - I highly doubt there's anything in the DB disclosures that will even move the needle in terms of either him getting impeached or re-elected. *Perhaps* there will be something revealed which mildly embarrasses him for a news cycle or two (if he's capable of being embarrassed) but even that's probably unlikely.

If after the years of him saying the most incredibly outrageous/stupid/inflammatory things and acting like a general dumbass before and after his election, you want to believe that his tax returns are going to be what finally does him in, then have at that belief. Personally I think that a man who survived "grab 'em by the pussy," and "nuke the hurricane," and every other stupid thing he's done won't even be inconvenienced in his Presidency or reelection by his tax returns.
 

HomerJS

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For some reason the left seems to think that if the public knew Trump was only worth $300mm instead of $100B or something, they'll refuse to vote for him in 2020. Or that there will be a line item on his 1040 form saying "tax deductible bribe from Vladimir Putin, $10mm."

Should Trump have released his tax returns long ago? Of course. Is there going to be something in there which will be straightforward rationale to impeach or cause him to lose the election, no. Do I care if they're released and he's embarrassed, likewise no. This reminds me of the Bill Clinton days and right wing dipshits wanted to release Bubba's medical files because they were sure he had an STD and that would be what caused him to lose the election. It was stupid then, and it's likewise stupid now.
It would hurt Trump more then anyone of the public found out what many of us already know he is a fraud. I'm fine with that

It's the hand size thing.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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For some reason the left seems to think that if the public knew Trump was only worth $300mm instead of $100B or something, they'll refuse to vote for him in 2020. Or that there will be a line item on his 1040 form saying "tax deductible bribe from Vladimir Putin, $10mm."

That wouldn't work in a Jr. High novice debate. Naturally all the forensic accountants who use such documentation for a starting point expect to find tax deductable bribes, eh? What the Left thinks Trump is worth isn't minutely relevant to this inquiry and allowing for average intelligence you ought to know that which leave you being either just pissy or want to obstruct inquiries. Neither is a good look.
 

HomerJS

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I would be concerned and alarmed, I suppose, if I got my news from places like the Raw Story and Dailykos and believed it, like so many morons do.
So, what if a Russian oligarch did cosign for Trump or the Trump organization before he became president...was it illegal?
You can't see a complete conflict of interest when Trump gets into office he's trying everything he can to help and promote Putin?

Were you watching Helsinki? Does that not put the country at risk? Did you not see him doing it again at the G7?
 

HomerJS

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Again if you stopped requiring positive affirmation about your team loyalties all the time this would be easier. I don't support Trump, never have, didn't vote for him, would be happy if he was no longer POTUS, and plan to vote Buttigieg in the Dem primaries in 2020. I swear you guys require a ritualistic denunciation of Trump in every post before you turn your brains on and it's fucking annoying.

AND with all the above being said, I repeat what I said in my post - I highly doubt there's anything in the DB disclosures that will even move the needle in terms of either him getting impeached or re-elected. *Perhaps* there will be something revealed which mildly embarrasses him for a news cycle or two (if he's capable of being embarrassed) but even that's probably unlikely.

If after the years of him saying the most incredibly outrageous/stupid/inflammatory things and acting like a general dumbass before and after his election, you want to believe that his tax returns are going to be what finally does him in, then have at that belief. Personally I think that a man who survived "grab 'em by the pussy," and "nuke the hurricane," and every other stupid thing he's done won't even be inconvenienced in his Presidency or reelection by his tax returns.
How about in the meantime Congress stripping away any power Trump has related in dealing with Russia.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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It would hurt Trump more then anyone of the public found out what many of us already know he is a fraud. I'm fine with that

It's the hand size thing.


He assumes or would like to that tax returns are the end of things, ignoring that they would provide a legal launching pad that either provides no basis for further inquiry or forms a legally valid basis for pursuing a case. He may indeed want Trump out but not at cost of tax returns falling into the hands of legal authorities.