Desktop Geforce 7 comes by Computex

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http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31077-desktop-geforce-7-comes-by-computex

Closer than many think

We have seen people writing about the upcoming launch of Geforce 7-series desktop products, claiming that they won’t appear before CES 2014, but we got some information that the launch takes place by Computex 2013, in just a few months.
We don’t have a fix date but Nvidia has talked to some of its partners assuring them that they will have something new and hot to see as of May 2013. Computex 2013 starts in late May but Nvidia might launch its new graphics card generation a bit earlier.
They do want to address AMD’s aggressive bundle push and try to offer a more competitive product. Bear in mind that desktop sales still play an important role in Nvidia's financial statement. We don’t know much about the performance expectation but we do know that it is faster than what is out today.
At 28nm you cannot expect miracles, but next year Nvidia does have plans to move to 20nm graphics and put even more transistors on their graphics dies. Nvidia also wants to put pressure on new console sales, as now more than ever Nvidia wants to tell the world that PC gaming is the future.

 

[Leadbox]

This is good, I would like to see a situation were nVidia put their parts out first and AMD responds. Nvidia has had something of a target to shoot at over the last couple of generations setting their parts to come out faster on release and we all know how important those initial impressions are.

 

[wand3r3r]

Crystal ball of doom Scenerio 1:
Somehow I suspect the titan that is neutered (Titan minus a part or two) will be the 780, thus milking 680 (mid-range 560 ti successor) and finally titan's little brother (580 successors little bro e.g. 570 successor) as the successor to the 680. It'd easily be doable with the pretty minor bump from the 580 -> 680 (iirc wasn't it around 30%ish or a tiny bit more?) and then if the titan is ~40% more and the broken titan about ~30% more then the 680 it'd fit with their minor upgrades this generation.

580 -> ~30% = 680
680 -> ~30% = 780 (Titan minus a couple parts?)

If they pull it off it'll be nothing short of a victory for their shareholders, and a complete joke on the consumers imo.

Just a random thought. If they know AMD is slacking (imo) and not putting anything out until 2014 there will be no competition to force them to do otherwise.

Crystal ball scenario 2:
Then again, it could just be a lower end or respin of the GTX 6xx series.

 

[willomz]

AMD did say they had stuff to release before 2014, it just probably won't be 8xxx series parts.

More GCN 1.1 as Anandtech called it I guess.

 

[Fx1]

I doubt we will see 30% increase on the 780 GTX. No process shrink normally means very small performance increases.

Probably a 3GB 780 GTX between 680 GTX and Titan

 

[Arkadrel]

@wand3r3r

A GTX Titan is about ~33% faster than a GTX 680. (about 27% faster than a 7970 1ghz ed)

*IF* its a cut down titan, it ll be less than 33% faster than a 680.

My guess is somewhere around 15-20% faster than a 680.
Kinda like how the 580 was around 15-20% faster than the 480,
when it released.

It would be enough to put it ahead of the 7970 1ghz ed. though, by a decent margin (~10% or more).

 

[BrightCandle]

I am kind of hoping its a bigger chip but without the extreme of titan. We don't need 6GB of RAM on the card and this monster cooler, we need a 250W part that has better memory bandwidth (384 bit) and some more cores at a price that is appropriate for its place in the market against the competition. The 680's are definitely Nvidia's mid range offering but they ended up priced a lot higher and the high end being released nearly a year later, it would be nice to get a proper high end offering for gamers that isn't ridiculously priced.

 

[Dribble]

The thing is nvidia could to a 780 which was a 680 + 50% cores/memory bus width/etc. That would only be equivalent in die size/thermals/etc to a 580 (obviously that was built at 40nm) and should cost about the same as a 580. This would also mean a 770 similarly priced to a 570.

That's what we'd all really like but I don't know if they will bother as they seem to be doing fine with their little 680 chips

 

[tviceman]

This is what i think: Neutered GK110 makes up the new 700 series flagship. The rumored Titan LE? That is what I think it will be, 12-13 SMX's, 320-bit memory interface, either 2.5 or 5 gigs of vram, and performance about 20% faster than current gtx680. DP is castrated and it will cost $599.

I no longer believe Nvidia is reworking or tweaking any of the their Kepler chips for the refresh. Like their recently announced mobile parts, I think they are relying on the improved yields they are likely getting now on the mature 28nm process, and also on their improved GPU boost 2.0 to squeeze out a few more mhz. I think gk104's top 700 card ends up with 1100mhz boost and 6.2-6.4ghz stock vram.

 

[Elfear]

This is what i think: Neutered GK110 makes up the new 700 series flagship. The rumored Titan LE? That is what I think it will be, 12-13 SMX's, 320-bit memory interface, either 2.5 or 5 gigs of vram, and performance about 20% faster than current gtx680. DP is castrated and it will cost $599.

Sounds pretty reasonable. Nvidia needs to fill the gap between the 680 and Titan. That also leaves room for a 770 GTX that's ~680 +10% which would compete directly with the 7970GHz.

 

[TY-1]

Here's hoping that Nvidia has something good up its sleeves. We keep hearing rumors about the Titan Lite (LE?), which could prove interesting, but couple that with rumorso n the GTX700 series and it just leads to confusion. C'mon Nvidia, throw us a bone already!

 

[Stuka87]

This is what i think: Neutered GK110 makes up the new 700 series flagship. The rumored Titan LE? That is what I think it will be, 12-13 SMX's, 320-bit memory interface, either 2.5 or 5 gigs of vram, and performance about 20% faster than current gtx680. DP is castrated and it will cost $599.

I no longer believe Nvidia is reworking or tweaking any of the their Kepler chips for the refresh. Like their recently announced mobile parts, I think they are relying on the improved yields they are likely getting now on the mature 28nm process, and also on their improved GPU boost 2.0 to squeeze out a few more mhz. I think gk104's top 700 card ends up with 1100mhz boost and 6.2-6.4ghz stock vram.

I highly doubt it would be a 320bit memory interface. If anything it would be a 384bit. Which means it would need to be 1.5, 3, or 6GB of video memory.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

I really hope they do something, I'm really looking forward to rebuilding come june-july timeframe and I would hate to slap "last years card" into it. Even if its just a small-moderate bump in performance, its better than no performance gain.

I wouldnt mind going ATI/AMD, but i swear every single time ive given them a shot i have driver issues out the wazoo, and hardware issues. My current 5870 was plagued by the GSOD issue and after replacement it would work fine as long as i didnt go to one of the new bios that actually made the power savings work as they were supposed to. Before that it was 9800XT that had awful drivers, the third party modded ones (omega) worked ok, but i always felt i shouldnt have to do hack work arounds to make it work.

 

[f1sherman]

They do want to address AMD’s aggressive bundle push and try to offer a more competitive product. Bear in mind that desktop sales still play an important role in Nvidia's financial statement.

and Nvidia's non-OEM, PC gaming sales are 50% of it's Desktop revenue, but 3/4 margin-wise

how about that

 

[tviceman]

I highly doubt it would be a 320bit memory interface. If anything it would be a 384bit. Which means it would need to be 1.5, 3, or 6GB of video memory.

Nvidia will want to differentiate performance of the next upcoming gk110 geforce SKU from Titan by enough margin to keep Titan's high price from looking even more ridiculous than it is now. Simply cutting down the SMX's to 12 or 13, while keeping the bandwidth and ROP's the same would put performance very close to Titan. There is also ample evidence to suggest my theory holds validity. GK110 based Tesla K20 has a 320 bit bus vs. K20x having 384 bit and gtx570 had a 320 bit bus vs. gtx580 having 384 bit.

Of course my theory hinges on this version of GK110 being a 700 series product.

 

[Xarick]

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/index.php?released[]=y11_c&mfgr[]=nvidia&mobile=0&sort=released
Just bought a 670 too so I am a little miffed.

 

[Muyoso]

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/index.php?released[]=y11_c&mfgr[]=nvidia&mobile=0&sort=released
Just bought a 670 too so I am a little miffed.

Same. Was about to buy another 670 to SLI them, but if a 770 is going to be coming out in a couple months I am thinking about selling the 670 and waiting for the 770.

 

[wand3r3r]

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/index.php?released[]=y11_c&mfgr[]=nvidia&mobile=0&sort=released
Just bought a 670 too so I am a little miffed.

This could be in a new thread, it's just getting lost in here.

 

[tviceman]

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/index.php?released[]=y11_c&mfgr[]=nvidia&mobile=0&sort=released
Just bought a 670 too so I am a little miffed.

I guarantee that chart's specs for the "770" is a complete guess and totally inaccurate on top of that.

Same. Was about to buy another 670 to SLI them, but if a 770 is going to be coming out in a couple months I am thinking about selling the 670 and waiting for the 770.

I wouldn't be too concerned if I were either of you. I'm guessing the 770 will be the 680 + 5%, so you're really not missing much. A 670 @ 1200mhz is on par with a 680, and overclocking the vram to 6800+mhz puts you ahead of a 680 by 5-10%. Enjoy your cards now that you have them.

 

[Xarick]

I can only do 1175 on my 670.. I got a bum card.
I was wondering how much hardware affects a cards boost ability?
I am using an p5qse with ddr2800, q9550, and and antec 750 truepower.

Would better hardware allow for a higher push on the card.. or did I just lose the silicon lottery?

 

[tviceman]

I can only do 1175 on my 670.. I got a bum card.
I was wondering how much hardware affects a cards boost ability?
I am using an p5qse with ddr2800, q9550, and and antec 750 truepower.

Would better hardware allow for a higher push on the card.. or did I just lose the silicon lottery?

None of that will help your card. 1175 is all you have, but like I told you the other day the difference between 1175 and 1200mhz is negligible. You can't discern it at all with anything other than readouts after you run a benchmark, but even then we're talking 1.5% difference. Overclock your vram and you'll still have a faster card than a stock gtx680.

 

[blackened23]

I can only do 1175 on my 670.. I got a bum card.
I was wondering how much hardware affects a cards boost ability?
I am using an p5qse with ddr2800, q9550, and and antec 750 truepower.

Would better hardware allow for a higher push on the card.. or did I just lose the silicon lottery?

I think you're bring ridiculous about the entire thing. Your card is fine as is your performance.

As for the topic at hand, i'll echo what brightcandle said earlier. I hope the rumors are true, and hopefully the new cards will have a slightly lesser amount of of VRAM. Let's face it, unless 4k gaming happens anytime soon 5-6GB really is overkill even for the most dedicated surround users - 3 or 4GB would make much more sense. I pretty much monitor my VRAM usage at all times (with the MSI afterburner overlay) and I certainly play a ton of demanding games - at 2560x1600 even 2GB is of no issue. There are no games that will pass that unless you use override settings (eg SGSSAA in nvidia inspector) or go overkill with mods. 2GB is fine. Now with 5760x surround resolution, you can certainly make a case for 3-4GB there. High amounts of anti aliasing can certainly put one above the 2GB threshold. Anyway - In any case, I look forward to seeing what happens with these new cards. The timing is perfect for desktop users upgrading in conjunction with Haswell.

 

[tviceman]

@wand3r3r

A GTX Titan is about ~33% faster than a GTX 680. (about 27% faster than a 7970 1ghz ed)

Worst case scenario, perhaps. But Titan is generally faster than that.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/nvidias-geforce-gtx-titan-part-2-titans-performance-unveiled

average vs. gtx680: 47%
average vs. 7970GE: 34%

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan/27.html

average vs. gtx680 @ 1440p: 43%
average vs. 7970ge @ 1440p: 32%

average vs. 7970GE from compilation of 28 site reviews: 33% @ 1440p, 45% at multimonitor gaming

 

[wand3r3r]

Most reviews failed to warm up the Titan which is a known bug as once it warms up for however many minutes the 'boost' clocks start tapering off and dropping. The true number could be 5% less than those. The only way around that was the voiding your warranty BIOS flash AFAIK and NV was supposedly 'looking into' it (it's been weeks already).

I'd guess the final difference is somewhere around the 40% between the 680 and titan?

 

[sontin]

No, thats not a bug, that is Boost 2.0.

So reviewers only need to adjust the temp target up to 95°C and no downclocking happens.