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Des Moines Register Poll 12/1: Obama Leading Clinton

We can hope the Democrats are finally catching on to Hillary. If we could just get the Republicans to dump Rudy and Romney...
 
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
We can hope the Democrats are finally catching on to Hillary. If we could just get the Republicans to dump Rudy and Romney...

All 3 could disappear and I'd be quite pleased.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
We can hope the Democrats are finally catching on to Hillary. If we could just get the Republicans to dump Rudy and Romney...
All 3 could disappear and I'd be quite pleased.
A rare moment of absolute agreement.
 
as I've said a couple times, I might be one of the biggest Hillary fanboys on the board, but I'll be just as happy for Obama :thumbsup:

lately I've been thinking that Obama would be more electable than Clinton... but then again, people also thought that about Kerry over Dean 😱
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
We can hope the Democrats are finally catching on to Hillary. If we could just get the Republicans to dump Rudy and Romney...

All 3 could disappear and I'd be quite pleased.

It's not often I agree with you. Let us celebrate our shared position with a nice :beer:
 
Here's the real killer for Hillary:

In the new poll, Obama leads with support from 31 percent of women likely attend the caucuses, compared to 26 percent for Clinton. In October, Clinton was the preferred candidate of 34 percent of women caucusgoers, compared to 21 percent for Obama.

Women represent roughly six in 10 Democratic caucusgoers, according to the new poll.


Looks like her victim-mentality, gender-baiting tactics have failed.

 
Hehe. Just keep beleiving it.
Here's what's really happening.
First off notice how Guiliani is losing ground to Huckabee and and Romney (esp. Huck)?
When you have an election with non-party line, but party supported front runners the undecideds are usually higher. Just like this year.
The key is in the "break". And more importantly for the polls, the timing of the "break".
The candidate who is nearer to the "party line" or the "party choice" usually loses ground as the early break is for the non-traditional candidate. Then as the election gets really close, the break swings over to "party candidate". ( this year the party candidates are hilary and rudy)
The Obama surge is because those people who have made up their minds recently are breaking his way.
Clinton can expect a similiar surge in the last 3 weeks before each primary.
And, sadly for America, their is usually a much more pronounced "break" against African-American candidates. Study after study has pointed out that white Americans consistently support black candidates in polls, but not in elections.
Sorry, Republicans. You won't get your "dream" candidate, the only one you could beat, Obama.
Its Hilary.
 
I hope that continues. I just don't believe anything I see Hillary say. Both she and Romney almost always sound like they are talking from a script and not their conscience.
 
I don't think Obama will win the nomination, but the more Hillary is tested the better.

Hillary has some serious flaws and the more she is challenged the more likely we are to see them.
 
Originally posted by: Balt
I hope that continues. I just don't believe anything I see Hillary say. Both she and Romney almost always sound like they are talking from a script and not their conscience.

after 8 years of Bush running the government into the ground based on his conscience and convictions... 4-8 years of focus group-run government doesn't seem that bad.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Balt
I hope that continues. I just don't believe anything I see Hillary say. Both she and Romney almost always sound like they are talking from a script and not their conscience.

after 8 years of Bush running the government into the ground based on his conscience and convictions... 4-8 years of focus group-run government doesn't seem that bad.

That's what he says, but everything he does is very scripted and predictable.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Balt
I hope that continues. I just don't believe anything I see Hillary say. Both she and Romney almost always sound like they are talking from a script and not their conscience.

after 8 years of Bush running the government into the ground based on his conscience and convictions... 4-8 years of focus group-run government doesn't seem that bad.

The problem with Bush isn't so much that he has convictions, it's that the things he is so dedicated to are all wrong. 😛

Watching the debates I honestly can't stand when Hillary and Romney will just refuse to answer a question because they don't want to alienate anyone.
 
Originally posted by: techs
Hehe. Just keep beleiving it.
Here's what's really happening.
First off notice how Guiliani is losing ground to Huckabee and and Romney (esp. Huck)?
When you have an election with non-party line, but party supported front runners the undecideds are usually higher. Just like this year.
The key is in the "break". And more importantly for the polls, the timing of the "break".
The candidate who is nearer to the "party line" or the "party choice" usually loses ground as the early break is for the non-traditional candidate. Then as the election gets really close, the break swings over to "party candidate". ( this year the party candidates are hilary and rudy)
The Obama surge is because those people who have made up their minds recently are breaking his way.
Clinton can expect a similiar surge in the last 3 weeks before each primary.
And, sadly for America, their is usually a much more pronounced "break" against African-American candidates. Study after study has pointed out that white Americans consistently support black candidates in polls, but not in elections.
Sorry, Republicans. You won't get your "dream" candidate, the only one you could beat, Obama.
Its Hilary.

republicans can beat obama?
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: techs
Hehe. Just keep beleiving it.
Here's what's really happening.
First off notice how Guiliani is losing ground to Huckabee and and Romney (esp. Huck)?
When you have an election with non-party line, but party supported front runners the undecideds are usually higher. Just like this year.
The key is in the "break". And more importantly for the polls, the timing of the "break".
The candidate who is nearer to the "party line" or the "party choice" usually loses ground as the early break is for the non-traditional candidate. Then as the election gets really close, the break swings over to "party candidate". ( this year the party candidates are hilary and rudy)
The Obama surge is because those people who have made up their minds recently are breaking his way.
Clinton can expect a similiar surge in the last 3 weeks before each primary.
And, sadly for America, their is usually a much more pronounced "break" against African-American candidates. Study after study has pointed out that white Americans consistently support black candidates in polls, but not in elections.
Sorry, Republicans. You won't get your "dream" candidate, the only one you could beat, Obama.
Its Hilary.

republicans can beat obama?

He's the only Dem they can they beat.

 
Originally posted by: homercles337
"Well respected"? Like we should let some bassackwards state lead the country? 😕

Funny you should have the balls to term Iowa 'some bassackwards state' when you're in fucking Massachusetts, liberal moonbat central. :roll:

Like it or not, Iowa is where it all begins.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: homercles337
"Well respected"? Like we should let some bassackwards state lead the country? 😕

Iowa is 'some bassackwards state' unlike Massachusetts, the birthplace of America :thumbsup:.
Fixed for accuracy
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: homercles337
"Well respected"? Like we should let some bassackwards state lead the country? 😕

Funny you should have the balls to term Iowa 'some bassackwards state' when you're in fucking Massachusetts, liberal moonbat central. :roll:

Like it or not, Iowa is where it all begins.

but seriously, F Iowa.

after the charlie foxtrot that will be the 2008 primaries, I really hope some sensible reform is put in by the national parties.

I really <3'd the idea of the rotating regional primaries. it's just silly that states as undiverse as Iowa and New Hampshire have such a huge impact.

ethonal would be a laughing stock political issue without the Iowa caucus.
 
NEWS FLASH: NEWS FLASH!!!!

CANDIDATES SHIFT POSITIONS IN A POLL WHILE REMAINING WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR!

I never understand all these poll threads about who is leading in states where the candidates are within the polls' margin of error. It is literally meaningless. Not only that but stupid news organizations make stories about candidates fluctuating within the margin of error as well. Then again I guess "poll fluctuates within own self described area of inaccuracy" doesn't generate as many hits.
 
Well respected poll

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I'm sorry but very little the DMR does can be considered "respected". They are just another bought and paid for political entity.

Oh and their new website blows.
 
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