Des Moines Register Poll 12/1: Obama Leading Clinton

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: homercles337
"Well respected"? Like we should let some bassackwards state lead the country? 😕

Funny you should have the balls to term Iowa 'some bassackwards state' when you're in fucking Massachusetts, liberal moonbat central. :roll:

Like it or not, Iowa is where it all begins.

Hey pab, is there any chance you will be in the state that founded this nation any time soon? I would like to meet up.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: homercles337
Hey pab, is there any chance you will be in the state that founded this nation any time soon? I would like to meet up.

:laugh:

You purchase the tickets and I'm in :laugh:

 

[Pabster]

Battered By Poll, Clinton "Hits" Back

Desperate times indeed for Billary.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Well respected poll

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I'm sorry but very little the DMR does can be considered "respected". They are just another bought and paid for political entity.

Oh and their new website blows.

Ha. Well, at least I can access it on my phone now

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Well respected poll

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I'm sorry but very little the DMR does can be considered "respected". They are just another bought and paid for political entity.

Oh and their new website blows.

Ha. Well, at least I can access it on my phone now

True, but it's so freakin java heavy(not to mention the insane amount of ads), I think juan valdez tripled his deliveries to the DMR.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Battered By Poll, Clinton "Hits" Back

Desperate times indeed for Billary.

Yay, now Hillary's gotten in on the game. Some other poll that is a statistical tie and therefore meaningless has her on the higher end!

 

[Pabster]

Clinton Cranks Up Rhetoric On Obama

You can smell the fear and desperation.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Clinton Cranks Up Rhetoric On Obama

You can smell the fear and desperation.

I'm a fanboy, but man... you seem to care far more about Hillary than I ever will 😉

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Clinton Cranks Up Rhetoric On Obama

You can smell the fear and desperation.

I sincerely doubt its either fear or desperation. It is interesting how you would paint someone up by 20 points nationally as "desperate" though.

I like Hillary, but I like Obama just as much if not more. I wouldn't mind him winning in the slightest. The odds of him beating Hillary though are simply astronomical. He's going to get a boost from the "anyone but Hillary" people after Edwards quits the race, but I still don't see it as being enough.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I sincerely doubt its either fear or desperation. It is interesting how you would paint someone up by 20 points nationally as "desperate" though.

I like Hillary, but I like Obama just as much if not more. I wouldn't mind him winning in the slightest. The odds of him beating Hillary though are simply astronomical. He's going to get a boost from the "anyone but Hillary" people after Edwards quits the race, but I still don't see it as being enough.

Interesting you should mention a "20 point nationally". USA Today/Gallup has a new poll out today showing Hillary dropping fast. 15 points and dropping.

It's now clear that Iowa is a must-win for her.

 

[fskimospy]

c

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I sincerely doubt its either fear or desperation. It is interesting how you would paint someone up by 20 points nationally as "desperate" though.

I like Hillary, but I like Obama just as much if not more. I wouldn't mind him winning in the slightest. The odds of him beating Hillary though are simply astronomical. He's going to get a boost from the "anyone but Hillary" people after Edwards quits the race, but I still don't see it as being enough.

Interesting you should mention a "20 point nationally". USA Today/Gallup has a new poll out today showing Hillary dropping fast. 15 points and dropping.

It's now clear that Iowa is a must-win for her.

That's not clear in the slightest. You can believe what you want, and I know that you desperately, desperately want Hillary to lose, but the numbers are massively in her favor. I suggest you prepare for disappointment.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
That's not clear in the slightest. You can believe what you want, and I know that you desperately, desperately want Hillary to lose, but the numbers are massively in her favor. I suggest you prepare for disappointment.

I'm fully prepared for January 3. :laugh:

Save for a catastrophic event, Obama looks to have Hillary dethroned.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: eskimospy
That's not clear in the slightest. You can believe what you want, and I know that you desperately, desperately want Hillary to lose, but the numbers are massively in her favor. I suggest you prepare for disappointment.

I'm fully prepared for January 3. :laugh:

Save for a catastrophic event, Obama looks to have Hillary dethroned.

Because he is in a statistical tie with her in polls? That Iowa is the only state he's even within shouting distance of her in? Jeez man, I mean seriously I don't care who wins the Democratic primary, but you need to take a long hard look at reality.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Because he is in a statistical tie with her in polls? That Iowa is the only state he's even within shouting distance of her in? Jeez man, I mean seriously I don't care who wins the Democratic primary, but you need to take a long hard look at reality.

Rasmussen: Hillary Falls To Single-Digit Lead In New Hampshire

In South Carolina, Rasmussen now has her 10 points ahead (as of Nov. 20) but on MTP Sunday the lead was more like 7 points.

She's losing ground fast. Logic suggests that an Obama victory in Iowa could propel him to wins in NH and (especially) SC as well, which (IMHO) puts her out of the race. And she knows it.

 

[theeedude]

Some Iowa rednecks want to vote for Obama, let them. Don't see why I need to care. If anyone cared, we'd have an Obama-Huckabee general election 😀

 

[CellarDoor]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
NEWS FLASH: NEWS FLASH!!!!

CANDIDATES SHIFT POSITIONS IN A POLL WHILE REMAINING WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR!

I never understand all these poll threads about who is leading in states where the candidates are within the polls' margin of error. It is literally meaningless. Not only that but stupid news organizations make stories about candidates fluctuating within the margin of error as well. Then again I guess "poll fluctuates within own self described area of inaccuracy" doesn't generate as many hits.

Politics and elections are all style. I agree with you about the polls, but even if the candidates switch around within the margin of error it's still meaningful because people perceive it that way and it gets discussed.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Some Iowa rednecks want to vote for Obama, let them. Don't see why I need to care. If anyone cared, we'd have an Obama-Huckabee general election 😀

Ugh, that's just what we need. Two guys who grew up poor who think it's the government's job to support the poor. One's an out and out socialist, the other thinks god wants him to do it.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: senseamp
Some Iowa rednecks want to vote for Obama, let them. Don't see why I need to care. If anyone cared, we'd have an Obama-Huckabee general election 😀

Ugh, that's just what we need. Two guys who grew up poor who think it's the government's job to support the poor. One's an out and out socialist, the other thinks god wants him to do it.

My point is we don't need to care about what Iowa thinks about anything just because the media has nothing better to do than to cover that caucus for a few months. It's picking nominee with a caucus in the 21st century, how much more medieval does it get?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: senseamp
Some Iowa rednecks want to vote for Obama, let them. Don't see why I need to care. If anyone cared, we'd have an Obama-Huckabee general election 😀

Ugh, that's just what we need. Two guys who grew up poor who think it's the government's job to support the poor. One's an out and out socialist, the other thinks god wants him to do it.

My point is we don't need to care about what Iowa thinks about anything just because the media has nothing better to do than to cover that caucus for a few months. It's picking nominee with a caucus in the 21st century, how much more medieval does it get?

Whatever, you hate poor people too. 🙂

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: senseamp
Some Iowa rednecks want to vote for Obama, let them. Don't see why I need to care. If anyone cared, we'd have an Obama-Huckabee general election 😀

Ugh, that's just what we need. Two guys who grew up poor who think it's the government's job to support the poor. One's an out and out socialist, the other thinks god wants him to do it.

My point is we don't need to care about what Iowa thinks about anything just because the media has nothing better to do than to cover that caucus for a few months. It's picking nominee with a caucus in the 21st century, how much more medieval does it get?

Whatever, you hate poor people too. 🙂

My main problem with Hillary is she is not pushing universal healthcare enough 🙂

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: senseamp
Some Iowa rednecks want to vote for Obama, let them. Don't see why I need to care. If anyone cared, we'd have an Obama-Huckabee general election 😀

Ugh, that's just what we need. Two guys who grew up poor who think it's the government's job to support the poor. One's an out and out socialist, the other thinks god wants him to do it.

My point is we don't need to care about what Iowa thinks about anything just because the media has nothing better to do than to cover that caucus for a few months. It's picking nominee with a caucus in the 21st century, how much more medieval does it get?

Whatever, you hate poor people too. 🙂

My main problem with Hillary is she is not pushing universal healthcare enough 🙂

Haha, I see what you mean. You like Hillary's version of UHC because it excludes the poorest of the poor, right?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
We can hope the Democrats are finally catching on to Hillary. If we could just get the Republicans to dump Rudy and Romney...

real good point!! I agree!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: techs
Hehe. Just keep beleiving it.
Here's what's really happening.
First off notice how Guiliani is losing ground to Huckabee and and Romney (esp. Huck)?
When you have an election with non-party line, but party supported front runners the undecideds are usually higher. Just like this year.
The key is in the "break". And more importantly for the polls, the timing of the "break".
The candidate who is nearer to the "party line" or the "party choice" usually loses ground as the early break is for the non-traditional candidate. Then as the election gets really close, the break swings over to "party candidate". ( this year the party candidates are hilary and rudy)
The Obama surge is because those people who have made up their minds recently are breaking his way.
Clinton can expect a similiar surge in the last 3 weeks before each primary.
And, sadly for America, their is usually a much more pronounced "break" against African-American candidates. Study after study has pointed out that white Americans consistently support black candidates in polls, but not in elections.
Sorry, Republicans. You won't get your "dream" candidate, the only one you could beat, Obama.
Its Hilary.

republicans can beat obama?

He's the only Dem they can they beat.

exactly!! I stand by this statement I made many months ago--- If Hillary gets the nomination we will have another Republican in the White House!!!

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: senseamp
Some Iowa rednecks want to vote for Obama, let them. Don't see why I need to care. If anyone cared, we'd have an Obama-Huckabee general election 😀

Ugh, that's just what we need. Two guys who grew up poor who think it's the government's job to support the poor. One's an out and out socialist, the other thinks god wants him to do it.

My point is we don't need to care about what Iowa thinks about anything just because the media has nothing better to do than to cover that caucus for a few months. It's picking nominee with a caucus in the 21st century, how much more medieval does it get?

Whatever, you hate poor people too. 🙂

My main problem with Hillary is she is not pushing universal healthcare enough 🙂

Haha, I see what you mean. You like Hillary's version of UHC because it excludes the poorest of the poor, right?

I don't like it because it is not socialist enough.

 

[Pabster]

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