Dems keep saying Healthcare bill lowers costs

[totalnoob]

Take care of yourself Nemesis..and please don't intentionally kill yourself on December 11th like I'm sure some of your crazy brethren will do. I want you to be here on 12/13 so I can lol @ you.

 

[nick1985]

Nemesis you ass, you hijacked my thread. May you be banished to the 8th ring of hell.

 

[Nemesis 1]

What would happen in the world today if Science told people whats about to happen . It would be ugly . Your links are only blogs to settle the wild beast which is man into living like everthing goes on without change to the galaxy and our solar system . I understand you afraid its OK but denying that we entered the dark rift is not science fact . Its calming of the masses . nothing more.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Nemesis you ass, you hijacked my thread. May you be banished to the 8th ring of hell.

No I didn't Obama care will never happen and I expanded on why I have that belief .

 

[nick1985]

No I didn't Obama care will never happen and I expanded on why I have that belief .

Yes you did.

Wish you were here

 

[James Bond]

All your links show is blog bullshit were is the science behind it.

He has a link straight from NASA smarty.

Hint: If you think everyone around you is crazy, maybe you should look in the mirror.

 

[paperfist]

Is the anti christ a person or an idea?

hmm depends on whether or not you believe in a god(s) or not I guess. I was just reading up on Nostradamus and his prophecy of 'Mabus' and wondered if that's what you meant.

Any big government program lowers costs if the program includes enough tax increases and those tax increase actually becomes reality. That's what Obama and the democrats are doing.

Politicians are getting smarter these days, they learn to package their programs with bunch of add-ons and make the whole package an easier sell. Let's see if Americans are dumb enough to just eat it up.

It has nothing to do with how dumb or smart American are, as we no longer have a choice in the matter. We don't directly vote on health care and those we choose to represent us don't care to listen.

Nothing the government does with perhaps the exception of the lotto generates income and those whole program was 'sold' to use as a deficit reducer and that's why proof of it showing otherwise is relevant.

 

[nick1985]

Hint: If you think everyone around you is crazy, maybe you should look in the mirror.

I was about to post the same thing.

Nemesis is crazier than a rat in a tin shithouse

 

[Nemesis 1]

At about 2 min. into this its explained how your statement is false and the nasa blog is false. This is science fact , Not conjector. Note the sign wave . Which shows how we move in relation to the central core of or galaxy . This is science fact, It occurs every 26,000 years or there abouts .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HUc62XYpvI

 

[dmcowen674]

All your links show is blog bullshit were is the science behind it.

That's the point, Republicans don't believe in Science.

 

[HumblePie]

nick1985,

Unfortunately, I am unable to watch the video and give an accurate rebuttal.

However, suffice it to say, my interpretation of the bill is that this is just one small step forward. That this is the start by establishing a foothold and then as time goes on, incorporating more cost saving changes. The bill doesn't even take full effect until a decade from now. As it is, it's suppose to start small and incremental so that changes can be made as needed during the following years. As such, there is no major cost efficient plans laid out yet. I knew originally the claims made by some that the HC bill would save X amount was crap. There are several fundamental changes that need to be in place that have ramifications for several industries that touch the HC industry before costs begin to come down. I outlined a few of these with a thread I started weeks ago.

However, I have to ask you this. Just because the bill currently may or may not address costs right now, is that a reason to shoot it down? Must we give a huge, pigeon-holed, piece of legislature through all at once? Or start more simply and get a framework going that we add on to as needed?

 

[nick1985]

However, I have to ask you this. Just because the bill currently may or may not address costs right now, is that a reason to shoot it down?

Yes. Shifting control of 1/6 of our economy to the federal government, which has its own Constitutional questions, for a shot in the dark of MAYBE reducing costs decades down the road is incredibly silly if not downright retarded.

 

[totalnoob]

At about 2 min. into this its explained how your statement is false and the nasa blog is false. This is science fact , Not conjector. Note the sign wave . Which shows how we move in relation to the central core of or galaxy . This is science fact, It occurs every 26,000 years or there abouts .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HUc62XYpvI

Yes..NASA scientists and astronomers all over the world are lying to us. Instead we should trust the opinion of a Youtube uploader named BURSTER1. lolol Post some science nem. Post a link to something in a peer reviewed journal. Do you really think every PHD on earth is trying to keep this hidden from the public? P.S. Take a spelling class for God's sake. I've seen 8 year olds with better grammar.

 

[ElFenix]

Yes. Shifting control of 1/6 of our economy to the federal government, which has its own Constitutional questions, for a shot in the dark of MAYBE reducing costs decades down the road is incredibly silly if not downright retarded.

the feds already controlled more than 1/2 of that 1/6.

 

[alkemyst]

no government agencies run at a profit...any surplus is moved to another entity.

Sort of scary opening up our health care to that.

It' sad all these big government votes taking place.

 

[Nemesis 1]

That's the point, Republicans don't believe in Science.

I not a repubican .I have voted for the person not the party . I have voted more times than not for dems. I just didn't vote last election because no men were running . Only animals.

 

[nick1985]

the feds already controlled more than 1/2 of that 1/6.

And doing a piss poor job of it.

 

[nick1985]

That's the point, Republicans don't believe in Science.

Just how dumb are you really, Dave?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Yes..NASA scientists and astronomers all over the world are lying to us. Instead we should trust the opinion of a Youtube uploader named BURSTER1. lolol Post some science nem. Post a link to something in a peer reviewed journal. Do you really think every PHD on earth is trying to keep this hidden from the public? P.S. Take a spelling class for God's sake. I've seen 8 year olds with better grammar.

Lets give this topic back to OP . Attacking only shows your bitterness .Idon't care to see that. May judgment on you be fair.

 

[James Bond]

Lets give this topic back to OP . Attacking only shows your bitterness .Idon't care to see that. May judgement on you be fair.

Are you kidding? He asks for some actual proof and you decide to stop debating?

You're a joke.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

That's the point, Republicans don't believe in Science.

You don't believe in providing evidence to back up your ridiculous claims, so who are you to talk?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Are you kidding? He asks for some actual proof and you decide to stop debating?

You're a joke.

Well good I hope you enjoyed your laugh. But I have already presented my links . The OP stepped in and said give me back my topic . It is his thread . Start another topic on subject .

 

[Throckmorton]

Yes. Shifting control of 1/6 of our economy to the federal government, which has its own Constitutional questions, for a shot in the dark of MAYBE reducing costs decades down the road is incredibly silly if not downright retarded.

Dude. Are you completely ignorant of reality? There is no new federal health insurance, much less turning over the 1/2 private part of the 1/6 to the federal government.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Dude. Are you completely ignorant of reality? There is no new federal health insurance, much less turning over the 1/2 private part of the 1/6 to the federal government.

But there are changes in who controls insurance. You have a chronic condition and need that premium plan? Congrats, your are screwed.

Max out that FSA for the same reason? Same thing.

The government isn't offering new plans, they're just taking control of the old and screwing people they didn't bother to tell were going to get screwed.

 

[nobodyknows]

But there are changes in who controls insurance. You have a chronic condition and need that premium plan? Congrats, your are screwed.

Max out that FSA for the same reason? Same thing.

The government isn't offering new plans, they're just taking control of the old and screwing people they didn't bother to tell were going to get screwed.

As someone in the health care industry you of all people shouldn realize that health care isn't cheap. I guess it's a case of who's bull is being gored, no?