Dems keep saying Healthcare bill lowers costs

[nick1985]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WOLkfnIlXI&feature=channel

At 2:30, Paul Ryan refutes those claims, and shows how its actually creating more of a deficit.

Can any supporters of this bill refute what Paul Ryan is saying, or are his points valid?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Of course it doesn't lower costs. Everyone knows this.

 

[Tristicus]

He's from Wisconsin. He had nothing better to do than actually read the bill and understand it.

 

[XZeroII]

It has been stated (I read a couple articles after the bill was passed) that this bill has nothing at all in it to lower costs except for a single study to be commissioned on ways to lower costs. Even democrats admit it. I'm not sure why people keep thinking otherwise.

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WOLkfnIlXI&feature=channel

At 2:30, Paul Ryan refutes those claims, and shows how its actually creating more of a deficit.

Can any supporters of this bill refute what Paul Ryan is saying, or are his points valid?

As much as Paul has basicly said the trueth here. I could care less. I really haven't said much about health care because of the time frame. 2 men in the world today well defeat this bill . Just 2 Godly rightious men will end this debate . How will they do this ? By simply uttering of words. They will not prophesied. For prophecy looks forward . These 2 men will utter words and those words will be for that time . This bill tho passed will never see the light of day . Lets say california has a 10x earth shaker this year. The medical cost alone would bankrupt this country let alone bankrupt an already bankrupt california.

This bill will never bare fruit ever . So it was written so shall it be.

 

[Slick5150]

As much as Paul has basicly said the trueth here. I could care less. I really haven't said much about health care because of the time frame. 2 men in the world today well defeat this bill . Just 2 Godly rightious men will end this debate . How will they do this ? By simply uttering of words. They will not prophesied. For prophecy looks forward . These 2 men will utter words and those words will be for that time . This bill tho passed will never see the light of day . Lets say california has a 10x earth shaker this year. The medical cost alone would bankrupt this country let alone bankrupt an already bankrupt california.

This bill will never bare fruit ever . So it was written so shall it be.

Uhhh. Wha?

 

[Tristicus]

As much as Paul has basicly said the trueth here. I could care less. I really haven't said much about health care because of the time frame. 2 men in the world today well defeat this bill . Just 2 Godly rightious men will end this debate . How will they do this ? By simply uttering of words. They will not prophesied. For prophecy looks forward . These 2 men will utter words and those words will be for that time . This bill tho passed will never see the light of day . Lets say california has a 10x earth shaker this year. The medical cost alone would bankrupt this country let alone bankrupt an already bankrupt california.

This bill will never bare fruit ever . So it was written so shall it be.

What the fuck...

 

[sandorski]

Uhhh. Wha?

I'm guessing the 2 Witnesses, as Prophesied in the Book of Revelations, have a Hate On for this Bill. Somehow, assuming they will exist, I think they'd have bigger fish to fry than some random Nations HealthCare Policy.

 

[Jaskalas]

I assure you plenty of people will be denied quality coverage as soon as the screaming roar of "costs" comes into play. Politicians will buy votes with cost savings.

 

[Red Dawn]

As much as Paul has basicly said the trueth here. I could care less. I really haven't said much about health care because of the time frame. 2 men in the world today well defeat this bill . Just 2 Godly rightious men will end this debate . How will they do this ? By simply uttering of words. They will not prophesied. For prophecy looks forward . These 2 men will utter words and those words will be for that time . This bill tho passed will never see the light of day . Lets say california has a 10x earth shaker this year. The medical cost alone would bankrupt this country let alone bankrupt an already bankrupt california.

This bill will never bare fruit ever . So it was written so shall it be.

One of them is Yule Brenner?

 

[Nemesis 1]

I'm guessing the 2 Witnesses, as Prophesied in the Book of Revelations, have a Hate On for this Bill. Somehow, assuming they will exist, I think they'd have bigger fish to fry than some random Nations HealthCare Policy.

No one said least of all me that the 2 witnesses in revelation . Have a hate for anyone or anything. No were did I write they hate the health care bill. I said because of the time frame this bill will never be enforced. Meaning whats coming will cause so much sufferring and hardship that the new bill will never be inplace and even if it were it would fail miserably . we haven't printed enough money to pay for the health care of this destruction. Thats why I said I could careless about this bill. It will be a non event.

 

[Red Dawn]

No one said least of all me that the 2 witnesses in revelation . Have a hate for anyone or anything. No were did I write they hate the health care bill. I said because of the time frame this bill will never be enforced. Meaning whats coming will cause so much sufferring and hardship that the new bill will never be inplace and even if it were it would fail miserably . we haven't printed enough money to pay for the health care of this destruction. Thats why I said I could careless about this bill. It will be a non event.

Your family get togethers must be a real hoot

 

[Nemesis 1]

One of them is Yule Brenner?

Gess golly I forgot about 10 commandments . LOL . But could be same tick on the clock in celestial alignment as that period of time. But this event is even bigger. Grabs popcorn .

 

[dmcowen674]

Dems keep saying Healthcare bill lowers costs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WOLkfnIlXI&feature=channel

At 2:30, Paul Ryan refutes those claims, and shows how its actually creating more of a deficit.

Can any supporters of this bill refute what Paul Ryan is saying, or are his points valid?

What do you feel your life is worth?

Do you feel you should check the plumbing once in a while or just drop dead because doing a check would "create more of a deficit"?

 

[dmcowen674]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemesis 1
As much as Paul has basicly said the trueth here. I could care less. I really haven't said much about health care because of the time frame. 2 men in the world today well defeat this bill . Just 2 Godly rightious men will end this debate . How will they do this ? By simply uttering of words. They will not prophesied. For prophecy looks forward . These 2 men will utter words and those words will be for that time . This bill tho passed will never see the light of day . Lets say california has a 10x earth shaker this year. The medical cost alone would bankrupt this country let alone bankrupt an already bankrupt california.

This bill will never bare fruit ever . So it was written so shall it be.

What the fuck...

There are many Republicans especially in here that don't value life until it is their own on the line.

They are awesome at faking it though especially with their fake outrage on abortion.

 

[Anarchist420]

Anyone who actually believes it will lower the costs is on crack.

It will both increase the deficit and increase health care costs.

The sooner it's repealed or shot down as Unconstitutional by the High Court, the sooner we're saved from being delivered to hell in a handbasket.

The Democrats know that, that's why they don't want this for themselves. Bill Clinton's big money pimpin' ass went to an expensive Presbyterian hospital and Ted Kennedy got really expensive care. The Democrats piss me off, they're SUPPOSED to be the civil servants, rather than me.

 

[dmcowen674]

Anyone who actually believes it will lower the costs is on crack.

It will both increase the deficit and increase health care costs.

The sooner it's repealed or shot down as Unconstitutional by the High Court, the sooner we're saved from being delivered to hell in a handbasket.

The Democrats know that, that's why they don't want this for themselves. Bill Clinton's big money pimpin' ass went to an expensive Presbyterian hospital and Ted Kennedy got really expensive care. The Democrats piss me off, they're SUPPOSED to be the civil servants, rather than me.

Don't like it you are free to leave to somewhere more suited to your tastes.

 

[nick1985]

What do you feel your life is worth?

Do you feel you should check the plumbing once in a while or just drop dead because doing a check would "create more of a deficit"?

Me going for a check-up does not add to the deficit. I'm one of the few remaining Americans who doesn't rely on government handouts to sustain myself. You see Dave, I may be very young, but I applied myself and got a good job and now I am reaping the benefits of my hard work. I know you are a colossal fuck-up in life, so you probably wouldn't know what the fuck I am talking about.

 

[Jiggz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WOLkfnIlXI&feature=channel

At 2:30, Paul Ryan refutes those claims, and shows how its actually creating more of a deficit.

Can any supporters of this bill refute what Paul Ryan is saying, or are his points valid?

If Paul will just stop reading and understanding the darn bill and start listening, he'll realize that its actually deficit neutral and lowers med cost! Right? (eyes roll . . .)

 

[nick1985]

So can anyone refute Ryan's claims?


BTW I'm genuinely asking...I'm not trying to troll

 

[dmcowen674]

Me going for a check-up does not add to the deficit. I'm one of the few remaining Americans who doesn't rely on government handouts to sustain myself. You see Dave, I may be very young, but I applied myself and got a good job and now I am reaping the benefits of my hard work. I know you are a colossal fuck-up in life, so you probably wouldn't know what the fuck I am talking about.

You didn't answer the question. What is your life worth?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

There is a part of government whos job it is to determine what the costs or cost savings will be. In 10 years, it is supposed to save $2 billion or trillion or some crap.

I say what Warren Buffett says. We will not know the outcome for many years to come. No one knows the answer to this complex problems with a multitude of inputs and assumptions about population, employment, etc. To many people give an answer because they are asked when the answer is I don't know.

All i know is that this is a Robin Hood bill. It takes from the rich and gives to the poor. I quite frankly don't give a shit about rich people owing a bigger debt to society. The same society that made them rich. They'll still have more than the rest of us so people need to just stop saying that they are the job creators and that they'll have to fire people and such nonsense.

 

[nick1985]

There is a part of government whos job it is to determine what the costs or cost savings will be. In 10 years, it is supposed to save $2 billion or trillion or some crap.

Did you watch the video in the OP? Ryan refutes all of that. I was wondering if his claims were valid.

 

[Ronstang]

Why would the Dems want to control costs and actually make our system work? They want it to break so they can take it over with their single payer BS. They think all of you are so dumb that you won't even notice, or you won't care, that they are the idiots that have been breaking it for decades. This latest bill is nothing but the final death blow.

 

[TruePaige]

Why would the Dems want to control costs and actually make our system work? They want it to break so they can take it over with their single payer BS. They think all of you are so dumb that you won't even notice, or you won't care, that they are the idiots that have been breaking it for decades. This latest bill is nothing but the final death blow.

Your conspiracy theory sounds pretty good as well.

I wish that was true! Single payer can't come fast enough.