Dems didn't lose white men primarily because of race, but because Dems don't offer them anything

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GettyRoad

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I'm amazed how the culture of grievance runs so strongly in a group that still controls almost everything.
I can see why, although it may not be justified.

A lot of white men are tired of being blamed for shit they did not do. The white men of today had NOTHING to do with slavery. So why bring up slavery to them?

Calling every white man a racist does not do any wonders.

A white man is watching sports and the athlete, like Colin Kaepernick comes along and starts kneeling using the U.S. flag as a point of his viewpoint, and it angers them...

White men watch sports to be entertained, not to be lectured to on the field---it rubs the wrong way...
 
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I can see why, although it may not be justified.

A lot of white men are tired of being blamed for shit they did not do. The white men of today had NOTHING to do with slavery. So why bring up slavery to them?

Calling every white man a racist does not do any wonders.

A white man is watching sports and the athlete, like Colin Kaepernick comes along and starts kneeling using the U.S. flag as a point of his viewpoint, and it angers them...

White men watch sports to be entertained, not to be lectured to on the field---it rubs the wrong way...
You are so fragile a guy kneeling before a football game triggers you?

The problem here is with you, not him. You need to grow up.
 

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You are so fragile a guy kneeling before a football game triggers you?

The problem here is with you, not him. You need to grow up.
A lot of people don't want race/politics in sports----Rob Lowe, Kate Upton condemned him for it because they want to watch sports, not hear about race.

I personally didn't care that he did it, he knew that he was going to get white America angry....people need to understand white Americans are very patriotic, and things like that will get whites angry....

 
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A lot of people don't want race/politics in sports----Rob Lowe, Kate Upton condemned him for it because they want to watch sports, not hear about race.

I personally didn't care that he did it, he knew that he was going to get white America angry....people need to understand white Americans are very patriotic, and things like that will get whites angry....

Not racist at all.
 

Pohemi

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A lot of people don't want race/politics in sports----Rob Lowe, Kate Upton condemned him for it because they want to watch sports, not hear about race.
"Shutup and dribble."

I find it funny how Getty equates himself to, "white folks", "a lot of white folks", "most white folks", and "all white folks".

Glad he's here to represent the loud majority. :rolleyes:
 
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"Shutup and dribble."

I find it funny how Getty equates himself to, "white folks", "a lot of white folks", "most white folks", and "all white folks".

Glad he's here to represent the loud majority. :rolleyes:
I did not say "all white folks", I said a lot of, that does not mean "all"

Also, most people when they watch sports, they don't watch to hear political commentary. Upton's husband, MLB pitcher Justin Verlander doesn't do it, he plays. How the audience wants it to be done.

National anthem shouldn't be played in sports anyway, but Kap pushed the edges with white America, the NFL saw that and they blackballed him.

What are white male fans supposed to do about police brutality?
 
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A lot of people don't want race/politics in sports----Rob Lowe, Kate Upton condemned him for it because they want to watch sports, not hear about race.

I personally didn't care that he did it, he knew that he was going to get white America angry....people need to understand white Americans are very patriotic, and things like that will get whites angry....


Bullshit, I'm a white male American and Kaepernick didn't anger me.
 

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A lot of people don't want race/politics in sports----Rob Lowe, Kate Upton condemned him for it because they want to watch sports, not hear about race.

I personally didn't care that he did it, he knew that he was going to get white America angry....people need to understand white Americans are very patriotic, and things like that will get whites angry....


Guess I’m not part of white America, but 100% white. Meh
 

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Women: Abortion
Blacks: Civil rights and policing reform
Latinos: Immigration and civil rights

There's not much for white men to vote Democratic on, so it is not primarily "race", it's that there's nothing there for white males to consider.....

Hence, why I see a lot of white men going Independent next year for RFK Jr.
I find this an absurd concept... yet given the fucking selfish mindset of many, perhaps.

I'm that white male, and I really don't have a "need" for something from the democrats, except...
  • I want my daughter, my wife, and every other woman, to have control of their body and reproductive system
  • I want my black friends and acquaintances, to enjoy the same rights and freedoms I enjoy
  • I want my LGBTQ friends and acquaintances to be free to love whom ever they choose.
  • I want to stop seeing go fund me pleas because someone is facing homelessness because they got sick and had to seek medical care.
  • I want to see religion 100% separated from government, at every level, not pandered as the solution to our problems.
  • I want to see billionaires pay a higher tax rate than the 99% of us that ain't a billionaire, or even as I do a pensioned retiree.
 

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I think Lowe and Upton felt that off the field is the place to protest, not before an NFL game while the anthem is being played.
And their opinion is more important than anyone else's? Why after this many years and his career being ruined are you still even bringing any of this up? Were you more than even slightly inconvenienced at all by his actions, or is this just another "but white people" moment you can use as some kind of wedge?
 
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And their opinion is more important than anyone else's? Why after this many years and his career being ruined are you still even bringing any of this up? Were you more than even slightly inconvenienced at all by his actions, or is this just another "but white people" moment you can use as some kind of wedge?
No, but they are the typical white sports fan that just want to watch the game and athletes shut up and play. That's what Upton's husband, Justin Verlander in baseball does. He doesn't talk, he plays.

This is being brought up because these are examples of Dems losing the white male vote....Kaepernick is seen as part of the cultural progressivism that is annoying a lot of white males.
 
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The problem is that lots of American men, and let's confine ourselves here to American white men though the problem is far more universal and unrelated to race , have no idea of what being a man really means. In woke language their idea of being a man is actually toxic masculinity. For most men a real man is the Marlborough Man, the cowboy, the silent long suffering hero, a man so far from his feelings he might as well be dead. The ideal American man is a man with sever mental illness, a rock, an island, suffering massive internal loneliness and separation. Modern liberal women don't need them. They are dinosaurs and relics of the past. Women are looking for metrosexuals, men who are both men and women, men who can feel, who are tender and loving and nurturing, men who are psychologically sophisticated and understanding, you know, like me. :) All your women are belong to us, except, of course, those who only feel alive when abused, the ones who grew up under Daddy's thumb.

American culture is a training ground for how to make beautiful young boys grow up sick, and for girls to worship them on their knees. But as usual, women are miles ahead. You know what woke women say, right. For a woman to succeed she has to be twice as talented a a man, but fortunately that's easy.

Can you feel the self hate? Get past that and everything will be fine. Give and expect nothing. A man who is a man has everything that he needs. American men are needy little boys, lots and lots of them.
 

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No, but they are the typical white sports fan that just want to watch the game and athletes shut up and play. That's what Upton's husband, Justin Verlander in baseball does. He doesn't talk, he plays.

This is being brought up because these are examples of Dems losing the white male vote....Kaepernick is seen as part of the cultural progressivism that is annoying a lot of white males.
You were put in a cage and pace the same rut like a tiger even if after time the bars are removed. Real men do not like injustice. Real men care. How and what to care about takes wisdom. Seek that.
 

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No, but they are the typical white sports fan that just want to watch the game and athletes shut up and play. That's what Upton's husband, Justin Verlander in baseball does. He doesn't talk, he plays.

This is being brought up because these are examples of Dems losing the white male vote....Kaepernick is seen as part of the cultural progressivism that is annoying a lot of white males.
The issue isn't that Democrats are losing the white male vote. It's that white male men don't want to give up their privileged status their delusional masculinity in a backward and being now left behind culture afforded them. Adapt or sink. We were never special, we were just culturally assumed to be. Others with their own needs have appeared on our stage. Learn to love change. It is a law of the universe. Don't struggle against what must be. Think of the poor Australopithecines.
 
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I can see why, although it may not be justified.

A lot of white men are tired of being blamed for shit they did not do. The white men of today had NOTHING to do with slavery. So why bring up slavery to them?

Calling every white man a racist does not do any wonders.

A white man is watching sports and the athlete, like Colin Kaepernick comes along and starts kneeling using the U.S. flag as a point of his viewpoint, and it angers them...

White men watch sports to be entertained, not to be lectured to on the field---it rubs the wrong way...
White guys today may not be directly blamed for slavery yet they are completely against any methods to mitigate it’s long term effect.

White guys of today are primarily responsible for racism in this country for which they fail to acknowledge. Todays Republicans refuse to break ties with prominent racists/groups.

Nobody, I repeat nobody calls every white man racist.

Colin Kapernick was protesting police abuse aka George Floyd in a silent non violent and even that pissed off white guys. I suspect the mail reason for their ire was Trump told them to be pissed off. There same white guys say nothing about Trump denigrating a POW, gold star families yet they rather bitch about Kapernick. What means do black people have to protest that is approved by you white people??

As for the sports thing none of them said a word when Tim Tebow was praying on the field. I thought they were just there for the sports??